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mdelapp
06-23-2007, 04:33 PM
After returning from my rookie trip to an International meet, I was overwelmed by the cars, information, and good times.

As an owner of a very earl model 53 hardtop, I have been told on occasion that the stainless steel trim I have running along the top of the door to the rear is not correct and should be a pot metal type trim and that the trim i have is from a 55 or later model. While waiting for the trip to the proving grounds, a nice fellow in a beautiful 55 hardtop struck up a conversation. When I mentioned the trim, his comment was that what I had was correct and that the very early models did have stainless that showed a little door color between the trim and the glass. He stated he in fact worked for studebaker at the time and was more than happy to display his old company ID card. I checked the manual and it does indicate a different number for a trim that is no longer available. Some had to do with the manner of fastening. The part numbers do not indicate the type of metal
Can anyone else validate that the earliest 53s did have a narrower stainless trim along the top of the door. If it is correct, I am pleased that I no longer have to shop for other trim and bear the cost of refinising. (although not sure i would change)

Thanks


http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/druefer/Stude4.jpg

rockne10
06-23-2007, 04:46 PM
Cannot speak to his veracity. Would like to see the numbers to which you refer and, perhaps, some pictures of the trim in question.

rockne10
06-23-2007, 04:46 PM
Cannot speak to his veracity. Would like to see the numbers to which you refer and, perhaps, some pictures of the trim in question.

N8N
06-23-2007, 05:40 PM
What I can tell you is that I've been told that only the '55 coupes had the stainless belt line trim. That doesn't prove or disprove your story, but if it turns out that what you have is incorrect, what you do have is likely from a '55 coupe. Now, that said, I don't know that you could use coupe trim on a hardtop? I have also been told that a '55 hardtop still used pot metal trim - so that does make your story at least plausible.

Either way, I'd consider myself lucky to have stainless, as the pot metal pits if you look at it funny.

nate

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N8N
06-23-2007, 05:40 PM
What I can tell you is that I've been told that only the '55 coupes had the stainless belt line trim. That doesn't prove or disprove your story, but if it turns out that what you have is incorrect, what you do have is likely from a '55 coupe. Now, that said, I don't know that you could use coupe trim on a hardtop? I have also been told that a '55 hardtop still used pot metal trim - so that does make your story at least plausible.

Either way, I'd consider myself lucky to have stainless, as the pot metal pits if you look at it funny.

nate

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55 Commander Starlight
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Jeff_H
06-23-2007, 06:31 PM
I have not heard about early '53s having stainless trim. However, I do know there are 2 kinds of the pot metal trim for the hardtop at least. One kind (#1) requires clips with 2 sheet metal screws to be installed on the doors and under the rear qtr window and the trim has "buttons" on it that snap into them. The other kind has studs with a snap riveted to the back and then there are holes in the door, etc for the trim to snap onto. #1 is what I have on my car and I have seen the #2 kind too. The #2 should be easier to install for the assy line I think. On the other hand, if the riveted snaps bust off the #2 I am not sure how to fix it. For the #1 kind, its a pain to get the clips installed and aligned (slotted holes and washers!) so that the trim actually snaps down and doesn't pop off all the time. I guess either one has issues!



Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/53byalaketiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

Jeff_H
06-23-2007, 06:31 PM
I have not heard about early '53s having stainless trim. However, I do know there are 2 kinds of the pot metal trim for the hardtop at least. One kind (#1) requires clips with 2 sheet metal screws to be installed on the doors and under the rear qtr window and the trim has "buttons" on it that snap into them. The other kind has studs with a snap riveted to the back and then there are holes in the door, etc for the trim to snap onto. #1 is what I have on my car and I have seen the #2 kind too. The #2 should be easier to install for the assy line I think. On the other hand, if the riveted snaps bust off the #2 I am not sure how to fix it. For the #1 kind, its a pain to get the clips installed and aligned (slotted holes and washers!) so that the trim actually snaps down and doesn't pop off all the time. I guess either one has issues!



Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/53byalaketiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

JDP
06-23-2007, 07:24 PM
I too have never heard of stainless on a early 53, just the two styles of pot metal.

JDP/Maryland

64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
06-23-2007, 07:24 PM
I too have never heard of stainless on a early 53, just the two styles of pot metal.

JDP/Maryland

64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
63 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

mdelapp
06-24-2007, 08:12 PM
I have looked through the parts manual and the part number is the smae for the trim up through the 55 so cant seem to find anywhere that the stainless is specified. Only the parts manual lists the early type and seems to only refer to fasteners.
the chap who gave me the info was Richard Miller who was featured in video clip at the track with his speedster. He indicates he was youngest employee at the time as a test driver at the proving grounds.
I will attempt to contact him and try to get more of his info
Many have mentioned that the stainless came from a 55 except I cant seem to find a 55 with similar trim.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/druefer/Stude4.jpg

mdelapp
06-24-2007, 08:12 PM
I have looked through the parts manual and the part number is the smae for the trim up through the 55 so cant seem to find anywhere that the stainless is specified. Only the parts manual lists the early type and seems to only refer to fasteners.
the chap who gave me the info was Richard Miller who was featured in video clip at the track with his speedster. He indicates he was youngest employee at the time as a test driver at the proving grounds.
I will attempt to contact him and try to get more of his info
Many have mentioned that the stainless came from a 55 except I cant seem to find a 55 with similar trim.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/druefer/Stude4.jpg

Lark Parker
06-24-2007, 09:24 PM
About twenty years ago I traded a set of polished 55 stainless for a set of replated 53 chrome to a Studebaker guy from Logansport Indiana. I can't remember his exact name at the moment but it was Italian.

He was going to put the stainless on his car as he preferred it to the chrome. He died about five years later.

Possibly the same car?

Lark Parker aka Trim Trader

Lark Parker
06-24-2007, 09:24 PM
About twenty years ago I traded a set of polished 55 stainless for a set of replated 53 chrome to a Studebaker guy from Logansport Indiana. I can't remember his exact name at the moment but it was Italian.

He was going to put the stainless on his car as he preferred it to the chrome. He died about five years later.

Possibly the same car?

Lark Parker aka Trim Trader

studegary
06-25-2007, 05:30 PM
I am aware of the two types of chrome trim. The only difference is the method of fastening. It was common, years ago, to use stainless on '53s in place of the chrome. I sold a '54 Starliner last year that had incorrect stainless on it when I bought it.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
06-25-2007, 05:30 PM
I am aware of the two types of chrome trim. The only difference is the method of fastening. It was common, years ago, to use stainless on '53s in place of the chrome. I sold a '54 Starliner last year that had incorrect stainless on it when I bought it.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

mdelapp
08-08-2007, 06:09 PM
Here are pictures the two trims in question. The narrow one is the one currently on the car that is stainless steel. The wider one is the pot metal one that I have taken pictures of from 55's.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/druefer/CIMG4050.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/druefer/CIMG3826.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/druefer/Stude4.jpg

mdelapp
08-08-2007, 06:09 PM
Here are pictures the two trims in question. The narrow one is the one currently on the car that is stainless steel. The wider one is the pot metal one that I have taken pictures of from 55's.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/druefer/CIMG4050.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/druefer/CIMG3826.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/druefer/Stude4.jpg

super1hawk
08-08-2007, 06:24 PM
My salvage yard has only stainless on the 55 coupes and pot metal on the 53's. I actually prefer the stainless because the pot metal screw hlod down's come off of the ends easily. No corrosion on the stainless.
But this is only a limited number of cars. I have an early 53 and it has pot metal. Let me know if this is incorrect.

super1hawk
08-08-2007, 06:24 PM
My salvage yard has only stainless on the 55 coupes and pot metal on the 53's. I actually prefer the stainless because the pot metal screw hlod down's come off of the ends easily. No corrosion on the stainless.
But this is only a limited number of cars. I have an early 53 and it has pot metal. Let me know if this is incorrect.

StudeRich
08-08-2007, 06:41 PM
Seeing that pic makes it clear that it is a "C" model moulding. Also it looks great with the matching cowl trim, which we know never came on a '53 or '54. I like it, and would not change it!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
08-08-2007, 06:41 PM
Seeing that pic makes it clear that it is a "C" model moulding. Also it looks great with the matching cowl trim, which we know never came on a '53 or '54. I like it, and would not change it!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

stude53
08-08-2007, 07:08 PM
Innterestinng, very innterestinng self-portrait it the top picture.

I like the stainless.

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

stude53
08-08-2007, 07:08 PM
Innterestinng, very innterestinng self-portrait it the top picture.

I like the stainless.

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

Blue 15G
08-09-2007, 06:29 AM
Since the stainless looks so good on the car, I would keep it that way. The potmetal pieces are a pain to have replated successfully. And even when you do that, they deteriorate again before too long.

Dave Bonn
'54 Champion Starliner

Blue 15G
08-09-2007, 06:29 AM
Since the stainless looks so good on the car, I would keep it that way. The potmetal pieces are a pain to have replated successfully. And even when you do that, they deteriorate again before too long.

Dave Bonn
'54 Champion Starliner

Dick Steinkamp
08-09-2007, 10:14 AM
You clearly have '55 Coupe (C model) stainless on the top of the door and under the windshield. Trim for the '53 Coupes was the same width as yours, but made out of chromed pot metal. The correct hardtop trim (K model) is what is shown in the second picture. This trim ONLY came in chromed pot metal. It is wider than the coupe trim.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
08-09-2007, 10:14 AM
You clearly have '55 Coupe (C model) stainless on the top of the door and under the windshield. Trim for the '53 Coupes was the same width as yours, but made out of chromed pot metal. The correct hardtop trim (K model) is what is shown in the second picture. This trim ONLY came in chromed pot metal. It is wider than the coupe trim.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Gary1953
08-10-2007, 04:38 PM
Mike,
I have a 1953 Commander with final assembly date of July 7, 1953.
It has the wider door trim on it.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/1953Stude.jpg

Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

Gary1953
08-10-2007, 04:38 PM
Mike,
I have a 1953 Commander with final assembly date of July 7, 1953.
It has the wider door trim on it.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/1953Stude.jpg

Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.