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Peanut
12-30-2011, 08:44 AM
Here's a little something I've been dreaming up for some time now. Studebaker pretty much got out of the COE business after the 1930's, but that doesn't mean we can't guess what might have happened!

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Anybody out there feeling adventurous? Get to it!

~Matt
1959 Lark 2-door

52-fan
12-30-2011, 09:12 AM
Someone would have to have a fair amount of talent and a lot of desire to see this one through. It makes a tough looking truck, but would push lots of air.

allstateguy
12-30-2011, 09:17 AM
I couldn't build it, but I LIKE it!!

DEEPNHOCK
12-30-2011, 09:18 AM
Perspective is the hardest thing to maintain.
The Photoshop pic shown is cute, but in a transformer kind of way....
Looks like some of those dinosaur pic's where the body is huge, but the head is teeny.
But....I like your idea of a pic challenge to make up a decent one...

Sdude
12-30-2011, 09:36 AM
I've seen an M Series COE. How about an R series one too. I'd settle for a photoshop version. I think about that one all the time.

Bob Andrews
12-30-2011, 10:25 AM
That cab looks like an early 60s Ford COE.

For sure, the problem would be getting that grill and header proportioned right to fit. Looks tough, though!

mbstude
12-30-2011, 11:03 AM
I've heard tale of a Transtar COE that Studebaker built, and tossed out to the Proving Ground Graveyard, but supposedly it was removed early on. I've never seen a photo of it.. Did it really exist?

DEEPNHOCK
12-30-2011, 11:51 AM
Here's a couple crude phantom R series trucks from a while back.....
Jeff:cool:

http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/3542/1104544038038087468S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/49584/1104544164038087468S600x600Q85.jpg



I've seen an M Series COE. How about an R series one too. I'd settle for a photoshop version. I think about that one all the time.

Peanut
12-30-2011, 12:39 PM
Perspective is the hardest thing to maintain.
The Photoshop pic shown is cute, but in a transformer kind of way....
Looks like some of those dinosaur pic's where the body is huge, but the head is teeny.
But....I like your idea of a pic challenge to make up a decent one...

Yeah, the COE conversions done by manufacturers (based on their standard pickup cabs) do look like they're on steroids! I had to cut and stretch the height of the front end to mimic what Stuedbaker's contemporaries were doing, and in doing this, I had to add a few extra grille bars! I also moved the entire cab forward, shortening the hood by about half and making the front of the door fall about in the middle of the stock front fender. By the way, thanks for providing the R-series artwork. :)

TDITS
12-30-2011, 01:13 PM
13036

Just adding this one to the mix

mmagic
12-30-2011, 01:42 PM
13036

Just adding this one to the mix

This has the WOW factor.... Love that lower fishmouth.... Wonder if the "S T U D E B A K E R " lettering would work on that misfit blank space above the bumper on my Champ??

kurtruk
12-30-2011, 02:50 PM
Here's the M-series. I've looked it over and still don't know how one would start to design one.

StudeRich
12-30-2011, 03:57 PM
Here's the M-series. I've looked it over and still don't know how one would start to design one.

I think without saying anything Negative here, the question would not be how, but WHY! :p

Sdude
12-30-2011, 08:36 PM
I think without saying anything Negative here, the question would not be how, but WHY! :p

Because you can...

kmac530
12-30-2011, 09:21 PM
I LOVE that R-series crew cab COE.....I would build one of those in a heart beat. Not the biggest fan of that M-series. Not picking on it at all and I respect all of the work that went into it, the proportions just dont work for me. A COE needs bigger wheels and fender wells for me.

Studedude
12-30-2011, 09:43 PM
Because you can...
:cool:
..................................

rockne10
12-30-2011, 09:57 PM
13036

Just adding this one to the mix
Wow factor indeed but, still a conventional; not a COE. Peanut's proposal is thought provoking but is just off proportion. COE means cab-over-engine. The hood is still too long or the "cab" is too far to rear, or too low. A little more photoshop and there's potential there. Could make a nice hauler for the Kart Hauler.

Jon's correct. You tackle a project like this because it hasn't been done before; because you can.

Corvanti
12-30-2011, 10:30 PM
like yours the best kurtruk, but also like jeff's 2nd pic - if only it had suicide doors... :)

agree with brad, still not quite "cab over engine".

go for it, "photoshoppers"!!! :D

mbstude
12-30-2011, 10:38 PM
It just hit me. There were no Champ trucks produced with dual rear wheels. Where did the original photo come from? Studebaker body 'shopped onto something else?

avantilover
12-30-2011, 11:32 PM
Personally, I love that prototype truck that TDITS posted you'd look really cool in one of those with a custom rear body either pick-up or tray style. I imagine the custom guys could do it for lots of $$$$$

Lothar
12-30-2011, 11:57 PM
Am I seeing TDITS (Quinn's) poster date correctly as "2-21-56"?

dean pearson
12-31-2011, 12:05 AM
The first truck here in a extra short bed and dually with the wheels inset as to not add to the width would be extremly cool.
It would make the ultimate welding rig.

Can I get one in a deisel 4x4 ?

Dean.
Here's a couple crude phantom R series trucks from a while back.....
Jeff:cool:

http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/3542/1104544038038087468S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/49584/1104544164038087468S600x600Q85.jpg

Milaca
12-31-2011, 12:20 AM
I found this photo on the web of a 1959 International Harvester ACO Sightliner (one of 3 or 4 different COE models offered by IH in the late 1950's). This particular model used a cab as used on IH pickups from 1957-1968 (and Loadstar trucks up until 1978) but with the 'firewall' or cowl heavily modified. Also, the wrap-around of the windshield was reduced in order to make the cab as short as possible.
Anyway, imagine this being done with a Champ cab with the result being a true COE. Not so much for a pickup, but for a heavy-duty truck application.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-pIrZwLpi9M4/Tv6X0Nb0-VI/AAAAAAAAAFU/C1T2PL7mPMI/s640/international-1959-02587.jpg

Chris_Dresbach
12-31-2011, 03:14 PM
Herre's one you guys should like. This truck was in the graveyard back in 1970, but later ended up getting destroyed.
http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/chris_dresbach/prototypes/scan0003-3-1.jpg
http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx323/chris_dresbach/prototypes/scan0003-3-1-1.jpg

mbstude
12-31-2011, 03:24 PM
Chris, that must be the one I was thinking about in post #7. You can clearly see what looks like a tire cutout at the back of the cab. That would put that cab really far forward. I'm having a hard time visualizing what that one would look like. Surely, somewhere, there must be a photo of it as a complete truck.

Milaca
12-31-2011, 03:32 PM
Yes, I too would like to see more of that R model cabover. I would guess that the center of the floor and lower portion of the rear cab wall is cutout to make room for the engine. I suppose a very very short hood was created to cover the cowl of the cab and to house the radiator (which would have been mounted very low). This would be awesome to recreate!

Sdude
12-31-2011, 09:59 PM
Maybe the wheel cut-out is for the back wheels. It would have an extra long hood - perhaps containing an Allison aircraft engine.

Photoshop THAT one.....

kmac530
01-01-2012, 12:24 AM
That is what I like about Jon...always thinking outside of the box....

I think that 2R is not a COE but actually a cab forward at that point. Or of course it could be a cab really backwards, aka CRB...as Jon likes to call them. You crack me up Jon, very cool, and every single time time my wife looks over at my screen and sees your sig line she always says..."oh those are so cute, I love those cartoons". I really hope she is talking about the 2 left pics and not the right pic. LOL

Deaf Mute
01-01-2012, 08:46 PM
Chris' photo looks like a "trailer-toter" cab to me.

dean pearson
01-01-2012, 09:27 PM
I found this photo on the web of a 1959 International Harvester ACO Sightliner (one of 3 or 4 different COE models offered by IH in the late 1950's). This particular model used a cab as used on IH pickups from 1957-1968 (and Loadstar trucks up until 1978) but with the 'firewall' or cowl heavily modified. Also, the wrap-around of the windshield was reduced in order to make the cab as short as possible.
Anyway, imagine this being done with a Champ cab with the result being a true COE. Not so much for a pickup, but for a heavy-duty truck application.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-pIrZwLpi9M4/Tv6X0Nb0-VI/AAAAAAAAAFU/C1T2PL7mPMI/s640/international-1959-02587.jpg

Is this a dock hostler truck ? (used to shuffle trailers around a loading dock)
That cab is pretty cool.

I love an old IH.

Dean.

Chris_Dresbach
01-01-2012, 09:43 PM
Is this a dock hostler truck ? (used to shuffle trailers around a loading dock)
That cab is pretty cool.

I love an old IH.

Dean.

Na, that's just a cab foreward. A yarder has a lot less style...

mmagic
01-01-2012, 10:57 PM
Milaca...
Great thought, so you might find this interesting.....

"There was another group of 25 Toter 8's built between 1962 and 1965 on a special chassis. These jobs were own make Whattoffs, and used Studebaker, International, or Detroit engines with the International Sightliner cab."
13099 (http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/whattoff5.htm)13100 (http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/whattoff5.htm)

http://www.ame (http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/whattoff5.htm)shistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/whattoff5.htm (http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/whattoff5.htm)

Milaca
01-01-2012, 11:14 PM
Milaca...
Great thought, so you might find this interesting.....

"There was another group of 25 Toter 8's built between 1962 and 1965 on a special chassis. These jobs were own make Whattoffs, and used Studebaker, International, or Detroit engines with the International Sightliner cab."
13099 (http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/whattoff5.htm)13100 (http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/whattoff5.htm)

http://www.ame (http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/whattoff5.htm)shistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/whattoff5.htm (http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/exhibits/whattoff5.htm)
Interesting link Merlin, thanks for sharing. I didnt know that Whattoff had ties with Studebaker and the Studebaker Drivers Club. As for the modified Sightliners, very odd that they would equip an International with a Studebaker engine. I guess somebody had to do it. ;)

dak63R1
01-02-2012, 04:27 PM
I believe that I remember seeing a M series or R series modified into a cab over truck 25 to 30 years ago in Morgan City, AL, just below Huntsville, AL.

Mr. Ridgeway or one of his sons put this beast together.

Possibly someone from AL has some old photos

Additional comments:

My "fuzzy" memory now thinks it was a late 40's Ford truck.

Seems like the hood was sitting vertical and upside down.

Would still like to see some pictures of it.