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ndv
06-21-2007, 08:46 AM
Hello all, I am new here and have a few questions. My father in law just passed away and he had a Studebaker 2 door wagon out in his trees. My mother in law would like to sell it, but I don't know what it is. The serial number is 1431216.

Is that any help, or do you need to see pictures to tell me what it is? I was hoping there was some master serial number database out there somewhere. Any help you could provide would be much appreciated. Thanks.


nv

Alan
06-21-2007, 08:57 AM
A pic. or 2 would realy help.

Alan
06-21-2007, 08:57 AM
A pic. or 2 would realy help.

glen
06-21-2007, 09:05 AM
Hi NV
Yes as Alan says, " a pic or 2 would be nice"....there are 2 data
plates on the car or should be....one on the driver side door, near
the door hinges and the other is under the hood on the firewall, on
the passenger side....each tells a little. The # you gave may be a
engine #, that is found embossed on the engine and in many states,
was used as a "VIN" number, for registration.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

glen
06-21-2007, 09:05 AM
Hi NV
Yes as Alan says, " a pic or 2 would be nice"....there are 2 data
plates on the car or should be....one on the driver side door, near
the door hinges and the other is under the hood on the firewall, on
the passenger side....each tells a little. The # you gave may be a
engine #, that is found embossed on the engine and in many states,
was used as a "VIN" number, for registration.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g204/glen_05/Daytonalurkinintheshortgrass.jpg
1964 Daytona
glen Brose
Tumbleweed Flats, AZ

Dwain G.
06-21-2007, 06:13 PM
Look through these pics, especially 1955 through 1958, and see if anything looks like your wagon:
http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Studebaker/TheEnd.html

http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/63.63.jpg
Dwain G.

Dwain G.
06-21-2007, 06:13 PM
Look through these pics, especially 1955 through 1958, and see if anything looks like your wagon:
http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Studebaker/TheEnd.html

http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/63.63.jpg
Dwain G.

ndv
08-30-2007, 10:40 AM
OK. I finally had time to get some pics up on my website. Please take a look and let me know what this Studebaker is. I appreciate it. The serial number in the door jamb is 1431216.

go to:
www.vanwechel.net
click on 2007 Album near the top
then click on August 2007

Thanks again in advance.
nv

nv

ndv
08-30-2007, 10:40 AM
OK. I finally had time to get some pics up on my website. Please take a look and let me know what this Studebaker is. I appreciate it. The serial number in the door jamb is 1431216.

go to:
www.vanwechel.net
click on 2007 Album near the top
then click on August 2007

Thanks again in advance.
nv

nv

Scott
08-30-2007, 10:51 AM
It's either a 1957 wagon or possibly a 1958 Scotsman wagon.

Scott
08-30-2007, 10:51 AM
It's either a 1957 wagon or possibly a 1958 Scotsman wagon.

57 Classic
08-30-2007, 10:58 AM
Everything that is on the picture indicates a 58 Scotsman wagon.
B. Millette

57 Classic
08-30-2007, 10:58 AM
Everything that is on the picture indicates a 58 Scotsman wagon.
B. Millette

ndv
08-30-2007, 11:07 AM
so next question. is it worth anything? obviously i know it's in REALLY tough shape, but could i get $4000 on ebay for it? or is it just a $500 unit? My mother in law is not trying to retire on selling this vehicle, but i just want a ballpark to help her out.
Again. Thanks.

nv

ndv
08-30-2007, 11:07 AM
so next question. is it worth anything? obviously i know it's in REALLY tough shape, but could i get $4000 on ebay for it? or is it just a $500 unit? My mother in law is not trying to retire on selling this vehicle, but i just want a ballpark to help her out.
Again. Thanks.

nv

JDP
08-30-2007, 11:14 AM
$500 is barely possible if it's as rough as it looks, 4K is not.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
58 Scotsman
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
08-30-2007, 11:14 AM
$500 is barely possible if it's as rough as it looks, 4K is not.

JDP/Maryland
64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
64 GT R2
63 Lark 2 door
58 Scotsman
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

StudeRich
08-30-2007, 11:26 AM
This is the lowest price model Studebaker built, and was the lowest priced full sized car in America at the time, it is a stripped down 1958 Champion 6 that they appropriately named the "Scotsman" if I remember right it sold for around $1800.00 new.

There is a '58 Scotsman Wagon just like yours on ebay right now that someone is trying to get $500.00 for and it will be a hard sell at that and it still has paint on it. So realistically call it $1200.00 or less, mostly LESS! [:0]

Here is the link, he is showing a pic of another car to advertise how it could look, but does not really say which one he is selling! [:0]

http://tinyurl.com/2v5x62

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
08-30-2007, 11:26 AM
This is the lowest price model Studebaker built, and was the lowest priced full sized car in America at the time, it is a stripped down 1958 Champion 6 that they appropriately named the "Scotsman" if I remember right it sold for around $1800.00 new.

There is a '58 Scotsman Wagon just like yours on ebay right now that someone is trying to get $500.00 for and it will be a hard sell at that and it still has paint on it. So realistically call it $1200.00 or less, mostly LESS! [:0]

Here is the link, he is showing a pic of another car to advertise how it could look, but does not really say which one he is selling! [:0]

http://tinyurl.com/2v5x62

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

studeclunker
08-30-2007, 01:41 PM
Now, now, fellas! She doesn't look all that bad!;)


quote:Here is the link, he is showing a pic of another car to advertise how it could look, but does not really say which one he is selling!


Aw c'mon, Rich. He says:
quote:"You are looking at a white 1958 Stude Scotsman T/T 2 door wagon." Then again, he might have changed the ad. People do when there's confusion, sometimes. Still, nv, you're looking at a low-priced model. They make good 'sleepers' in the hot-rod area. They also make interesting drivers as well. Condition is the key here. The car doesn't look to be too very bad from your pictures. However, to give any kind of realistic estimate (you might even get an offer) pictures of your car similar to what you see in the e-bay ad would be helpful. The keys to your car's value are thus:

condition

Is it rusty?
Is there body cancer?
How's the interior?
Does it run?
Are there any missing parts (keep in mind this car's model. There's often a lot of blanks in the dash and elsewhere. Just becaust there's a hole doesn't necessarily mean that something's missing;))?


Pictures will tell the story on this car. Since there's no inner fenders, pictures of the heels of the front fenders, rear quarters and the bottom of the tailgate are important. Pictures of the actual floor (mats or carpets pulled up) are very important as well. The more the rust, the less the value. See if you can get her to start. It will increase the value.

many of the parts to get this car running are available and reasonable. Some of the parts are downright cheap! Check with SASCO for what you need (800-722-4295). Sometimes spending a few pennies can return a few dollars.;)

By the by, the green wagon in my sig. line is a '56 Parkview wagon. She cost me $650 off e-bay, a bargin.:D The picture is one from the original ad. Bess didn't run and her brakes were not functioning. I've done quite a bit of work on her and she is now a delight to drive.:D

Good luck! Hopefully, you can get a few pennies in Mum's cookie jar!;)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

studeclunker
08-30-2007, 01:41 PM
Now, now, fellas! She doesn't look all that bad!;)


quote:Here is the link, he is showing a pic of another car to advertise how it could look, but does not really say which one he is selling!


Aw c'mon, Rich. He says:
quote:"You are looking at a white 1958 Stude Scotsman T/T 2 door wagon." Then again, he might have changed the ad. People do when there's confusion, sometimes. Still, nv, you're looking at a low-priced model. They make good 'sleepers' in the hot-rod area. They also make interesting drivers as well. Condition is the key here. The car doesn't look to be too very bad from your pictures. However, to give any kind of realistic estimate (you might even get an offer) pictures of your car similar to what you see in the e-bay ad would be helpful. The keys to your car's value are thus:

condition

Is it rusty?
Is there body cancer?
How's the interior?
Does it run?
Are there any missing parts (keep in mind this car's model. There's often a lot of blanks in the dash and elsewhere. Just becaust there's a hole doesn't necessarily mean that something's missing;))?


Pictures will tell the story on this car. Since there's no inner fenders, pictures of the heels of the front fenders, rear quarters and the bottom of the tailgate are important. Pictures of the actual floor (mats or carpets pulled up) are very important as well. The more the rust, the less the value. See if you can get her to start. It will increase the value.

many of the parts to get this car running are available and reasonable. Some of the parts are downright cheap! Check with SASCO for what you need (800-722-4295). Sometimes spending a few pennies can return a few dollars.;)

By the by, the green wagon in my sig. line is a '56 Parkview wagon. She cost me $650 off e-bay, a bargin.:D The picture is one from the original ad. Bess didn't run and her brakes were not functioning. I've done quite a bit of work on her and she is now a delight to drive.:D

Good luck! Hopefully, you can get a few pennies in Mum's cookie jar!;)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

bob40
08-30-2007, 05:21 PM
I'm over in Minnesota and would love to fix that up.Click on my name and you will get my info.Send me a email.

bob40
08-30-2007, 05:21 PM
I'm over in Minnesota and would love to fix that up.Click on my name and you will get my info.Send me a email.

Jeff_H
08-30-2007, 05:36 PM
I see this wagon has ND plates on it. Where in ND are you from? In Sept. 1998 I was to a auction by Jamestown, ND where a scotsman wagon much like this one was sold. I think it was a powder blue color... Could it be the same car? The one at the auction was running I think. I recall the rear shocks must have been toast as some folks were "testing" them and got a lot of "bounce" out of the rear of that wagon!

Jeff in ND

Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/53byalaketiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

Jeff_H
08-30-2007, 05:36 PM
I see this wagon has ND plates on it. Where in ND are you from? In Sept. 1998 I was to a auction by Jamestown, ND where a scotsman wagon much like this one was sold. I think it was a powder blue color... Could it be the same car? The one at the auction was running I think. I recall the rear shocks must have been toast as some folks were "testing" them and got a lot of "bounce" out of the rear of that wagon!

Jeff in ND

Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/53byalaketiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

ndv
08-31-2007, 08:55 AM
This is a 1-owner (in the family) car since new in Mayville, ND. It was originally sold at the Mayville Studebaker dealership (owned by the Moens) and has basically sat on the same farm since they stopped driving it. The only problem, as you can see from the pictures is that it sat outside.

nv

ndv
08-31-2007, 08:55 AM
This is a 1-owner (in the family) car since new in Mayville, ND. It was originally sold at the Mayville Studebaker dealership (owned by the Moens) and has basically sat on the same farm since they stopped driving it. The only problem, as you can see from the pictures is that it sat outside.

nv

57 Classic
08-31-2007, 10:54 AM
I will add the Mayville Studebaker name to the list for former North Dakota dealers. Is that the correct name and are there any pics of the dealership around? They could be posted on the Studebaker dealer thread.
Finally, an important part of the condition of the car is rust--are the floor boards solid and are the fenders rust free--surface rust is ok but need to mention any holes. I have seen a couple of these wagons rodded out.
B. Millette

57 Classic
08-31-2007, 10:54 AM
I will add the Mayville Studebaker name to the list for former North Dakota dealers. Is that the correct name and are there any pics of the dealership around? They could be posted on the Studebaker dealer thread.
Finally, an important part of the condition of the car is rust--are the floor boards solid and are the fenders rust free--surface rust is ok but need to mention any holes. I have seen a couple of these wagons rodded out.
B. Millette