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sbca96
06-21-2007, 04:39 AM
Edit per new picture location : 12/1/08

I just picked up the first two sets from the CNC shop with the engraving,
it came out pretty nice. These already have owners, so I will be able to
get some feedback as to how well Studebaker kept their tolerances. They
go with me tomorrow to be checked on the surface plate for all the critical
dimensions. Things are moving along now.

Changes from the "First Article" set include, the "key hole" shaped grease
trap to a "cam lobe" shape, and of course - the engraving.

Development has started on the GT rear caliper mounting bracket, and it
will soon follow with a Cobra rear caliper mounting bracket.

http://emperorjordan.com/sbca96/images/avantibrakeproject/First_Article/FirstRun_005a.jpg

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

Kdancy
06-21-2007, 06:47 AM
Tom, why not just ingrave RAD in bigger letters and leave the rest off as you won't be able to see it anyway?

sbca96
06-21-2007, 12:08 PM
Don't want anyone confusing them with "RAD RIDES".;)

Trust me .. you [u]can</u> see them.:D

Tom


quote:Originally posted by Kdancy

Tom, why not just ingrave RAD in bigger letters and leave the rest off as you won't be able to see it anyway?

jlmccuan
06-21-2007, 12:39 PM
Ooooo - shiny!!

As a related topic, how do you protect aluminum to keep it that way? Clear coat paint, wax? We have used clear anodizing on handrails, but it's not cheap or locally available.

Jim
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x98/jlmccuan/Avanti/AvantiSignature.jpg
1966 Avanti II RQA 0088

sbca96
06-21-2007, 05:13 PM
You can clear coat, or you can clear anodize. 6061-T6 aluminum will
just oxidize over time and create a "protective" coating similar to
anodizing. Our company ships flat black only. Keep in mind that the
heat from the brakes will cause the clear coat to yellow and crack
just like your clear coated rims. Personally, I think either anodize
or leave plain and let them oxidize.;)

Tom

Mike Van Veghten
06-21-2007, 07:42 PM
Clear anodize will also yellow with age and heat.
Black will turn greyish (sometimes with whiteish spots) and red will turn pink!
Blue will lighten or turn purple depending on the original mixture.

As Tom says..."auh naturaal" is best. You'll get a "little" anodic corrosion between the steel and aluminum...but it'll take a LONG time (lots'a years) before there should be any concern. A light coat of grease during assembly on the bare steel will go a long way toward fending any corrosion off. Don't paint the steel where the bracket goes.

Tom...
Who ever did the machine work...nice job.

Mike

DEEPNHOCK
06-21-2007, 08:12 PM
Lookin' good!
Are you noting a number or something so you can track them?
Jeff[8D]

sbca96
06-21-2007, 09:02 PM
Thanks Mike, and all, for the compliments. Jeff, I hadn't though of
that. What is the benefit of doing so, I am curious.

Tom


quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK
Are you noting a number or something so you can track them?
Jeff

DEEPNHOCK
06-21-2007, 09:28 PM
Warranty, Sales Tracking, Marketing, NHTSA, etc.
After a car with your brackets get sold three or four times, things can get confused.
ISO methodology mandates tracking of products before, during, and after the sale. While this won't ever be a huge production run, the thought behind product tracking is a sound one. Ask any product liability lawyer, or your product insurance lawyer. He'll fill you in.
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by sbca96

Thanks Mike, and all, for the compliments. Jeff, I hadn't though of
that. What is the benefit of doing so, I am curious.

Tom


quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK
Are you noting a number or something so you can track them?
Jeff

PackardV8
06-23-2007, 10:51 AM
Greetings, Tom/sbca96,

While I haven't bought any Wilwood stuff lately, they used to send a statement, which if one interpreted it literally, meant, "Suitable for use as a paperweight only, and if you drop it on your bare foot, we aren't responsible for that either."

Get some good advice on writing a disclaimer to go with each set. As I remember, in the past, you had an unpleasant experience with the court system. You don't want to go back as a defendant when lives and large dollars are involved.

Your disclaimer should read something like:

"This part is intended as a starting point for those capable of designing and testing racing brake systems. It is not intended for street-driven applications. It does not directly replace OEM brake system parts. It has not been tested for durablility or effectiveness. No warranty is expressed or implied. User will determine the suitability for his intended use."



PackardV8

sbca96
06-23-2007, 05:29 PM
I wrote up a very similar release form, that I converted to a PDF, and
will require to be signed before parts are shipped. Basically it says
what yours does, that the part should be installed by a knowledgable
person, they are for OFF ROAD use on a private road course, they agree
that 6061-T6 is up to the challenge, by installing them, or having them
installed, the undersigned assumes any & ALL responsibilty. They will
use the recommended graded attaching bolts, and that the hub changes
are also proven and by modifying them they assume all risk. That by
signing below they release, myself, my family, my cat and anyone else
connected to the creation of this part - for any and all damages that
might result from them being installed.

Wheeeeew.

I had a Lawyer look it over, and it all looks good. Though, with our
legal system the way it is .. someone can still try and sue. Someone
who breaks into your house to rob you slips on your throw rug in the
kitchen can sue you. Isnt that great?

Tom

stan zoerner
08-11-2007, 11:07 PM
Goodness the finish looks great, awesome engineering. What if your cat slings the rug at the burglar....? Hope your endeavor goes well and thanks for all your previous advice!

bams50
08-12-2007, 08:40 AM
Those look cool, Tom! Hope they work out for you. It'd be cool to have 'em, but I'm a stock wheel and hubcaps guy...;)

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

sbca96
08-12-2007, 12:58 PM
Thanks Stan ..

Robert, the GT calipers will allow a 15 inch rim to be used, and from
the info I have received late model Crown Victoria steel wheels should
clear the GT brakes properly allowing the use of Stude hubcaps. This
is not confirmed by me yet, but hopefully will be eventually.

Right now I am waiting for fitment feedback from the first two sold.;)

Tom

61hawk
08-12-2007, 07:50 PM
quote:Originally posted by sbca96

I wrote up a very similar release form, that I converted to a PDF, and
will require to be signed before parts are shipped. Basically it says
what yours does, that the part should be installed by a knowledgable
person, they are for OFF ROAD use on a private road course


How many do you expect will be used for "off road" use only?

sbca96
08-14-2007, 12:20 PM
Realistically? None. But if you look at the fine print in just about
any comparible part for brand X cars, it will say the same thing. The
point is - if you install this part, YOU assume the responsibilty for
anything that happens. It is the general mindset that existed before
Lawyers ruined the hobby for the rest of us. So many different things
could cause a failure, and none would be the part itself. The same
can be said for Turners kit, or the Steeltech one. Bolts not torqued
to the proper spec would cause them to loosen and then eventually they
could break and cause a failure. Not my fault, but the Lawyers would
spin it against me. An accident like happened to Anne's son, had that
car had Turner brakes on it, Anne could sue Turner. As it stands right
now, if she wanted too, she could sue "Mr Biggs" for selling her the
brakes that DIDNT stop the car her son was driving. Just an example.

Tom


quote:Originally posted by 61hawk
How many do you expect will be used for "off road" use only?

PlainBrownR2
08-15-2007, 02:53 AM
Yeah, regarding the off road use only clause, thats why the M-LAW wacky warning label contest exists. You have to basically think ahead of alllll possible things people will try to do with the product, even the possibilities that don't make any sense and include it in the statement because you know somebody, and that includes anybody, is most likely gonna try it :(.

With that heres my label:
The statement above was meant in and for the general public way. This is not an attack or insult on anybody directly or anybody's race, religion, creedo, or intelligence. :)


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
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sbca96
08-15-2007, 02:40 PM
Reminds me of a Simpsons episode where there was a product being
advertised on TV, and it had a strange disclaimer at the end, Homer
looks at Lisa and says "that one is because of me". Then he laughs.

Tom


quote:Originally posted by PlainBrownR2
You have to basically think ahead of alllll possible things people will try to do with the product, even the possibilities that don't make any sense and include it in the statement because you know somebody, and that includes anybody, is most likely gonna try it.

PlainBrownR2
08-16-2007, 01:11 AM
Exactly Tom, exactly :)


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]

sbca96
12-01-2008, 04:11 AM
I had the CNC shop make 3 more sets, two are spoken for. Just FYI.

Tom