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JL Jacobson
12-18-2011, 12:47 PM
I am a Junior Member here, but I was born into a Family of Craftsmen in South Bend, joined the SDC in June 1968 when I was 15 years old. I made this slide show of the Studebaker final assembly buildings and took all the color images. My Grandfather is pushing the Lark in one of the black & white images.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/GhostsOfSouthBendSlow2012.gif

Since this image was first posted, I slowed down the frame rate in response to suggestions from StudeRich. I also added a little house that was probably present when the assembly plant was built. It is better to have more time with the images, but I do not want to break them up because they show what I saw on my trips to South Bend in 2002 and 2006. I only took the COLOR images. The black and white factory prints are available from Studebaker parts vendors. Feel free to give them some business.

StudeMichael
12-18-2011, 01:00 PM
Very nice JL. I would say this is the best "1st" post I have ever seen!

JL Jacobson
12-18-2011, 01:07 PM
I have been posting to my own web site at stude.net. I am baby boomer who is new here, but having a lot of fun. Seems as though Junior Members who have been in the SDC 40+ years could get an image by their name, especially a Studebaker image taken in South Bend, Indiana when Davy Crockett hats were the rage.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/MeIn1953sm.jpg http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/JimCrockettsm.jpg

Bill Pressler
12-18-2011, 01:11 PM
JL and I have 'known' each other, electronically at least (!), over on the Edmunds' Studebaker site, constantly correcting the wise-a** moderator over there about Studebakers!

2R5
12-18-2011, 01:19 PM
Nice pictures....welcome to the forum!

G T Joe
12-18-2011, 01:46 PM
Welcome , glad to have you aboard !, thanks for sharing the history and pictures with us.

showbizkid
12-18-2011, 01:50 PM
Welcome to the SDC Forum! It's good to have you here. With your Studebaker lineage, I'm sure you've got some great stories to tell!

BobPalma
12-18-2011, 01:55 PM
You bet, JL. Welcome to the forum, and 'hope to see more of your "goodies." BP

JL Jacobson
12-18-2011, 02:17 PM
Mt Shiftright is very biased against Studebakers. There should be a law against a Packard guy running a Studebaker forum, although I cannot complain too much because he did create that forum in the first place. I was going to send you an E-mail from Andy Ganatelli, but could never get your E-mail address from Edmunds. I am plannig to go to South Bend International Meet next year, so maybe we can meet. You inspired me to join this site by posting that image of December 9 Studebaker closing at Edmunds which was linked here.

JL Jacobson
12-18-2011, 02:23 PM
I was active in the Chicago area from 1968-1972 when I joined the Army. I went to California after that and stayed active here. At that time, the most active members were Bill Pienta, Ken Holste, Dick Stewart, Hugh Studebaker, Larry Swanson and George Krem, who I believe is your cousin. I first rode in an Avanti when George gave me a ride in his after a meeting at Dick Stewart's home in 1969. After that experience, I just had to have one of those, and I did before I was 20 years old. I am honored and pleased to have you respond to my post.

JL Jacobson
12-18-2011, 02:34 PM
My last post was directed to Bob Palma. I thought I would have my Avanti forever, but another
Stude came along and I had to make a hard choice.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/AeroCommanderSm2.gif

52hawk
12-18-2011, 06:55 PM
Cool!! The slide shows make it hard to read the posts,but I like!!

StudeRich
12-18-2011, 07:37 PM
Hello JL, welcome to the SDC Forum, glad to have another "Old Timer" here to keep these "Kids" on track! ;)
I and many others here have been in SDC since around 1968, in my case and I think Gary Lindstrom, exactly then. :)

I love your Pics, but now I know why no one has ever done a slideshow here! Most of us have EYES too old to actually SEE 3 second flashes anymore. That really annoys me how they now do that on TV a lot, mostly with commercials however. :(

A Studebaker Forum named: Edmunds Studebaker????? I don't see the connection between the two: Studebaker and multiple Carb. Intakes and High Compression heads? :confused: :confused:

hausdok
12-18-2011, 08:10 PM
Mt Shiftright is very biased against Studebakers. There should be a law against a Packard guy running a Studebaker forum.I went over there to look around. I see what you mean. I think if this guy was judging at a meet and I was the owner of a Studebaker that was in the judging lineup I'd demand that he recuse himself.

As the owner of a P.H., I was kind of offended with some of the stuff he was saying about those cars made by S-P in 1957 and 1958.

Should be shun Lexus' because they're made by Toyota? How about if people were to refuse to buy M-B any more because of M-B's hook up with Chrysler?

A vehicle is whatever it's manufacturer calls it and what it's first registered as, regardless of who manufactures it. That horse's ass with teeth should learn that and as a moderator he should leave his biases at home.

Mike O'Handley
Kenmore, Washington
hausdok@msn.com

P.S.

Mr. Jacobson, I'm a new guy here so I really haven't been around long enough to say welcome but I really loved your site. Very enjoyable reading. By the way, can you tell the rest of us what kind of HTML coding you use to create those little slide shows?

JL Jacobson
12-18-2011, 11:23 PM
P.S.

Mr. Jacobson, I'm a new guy here so I really haven't been around long enough to say welcome but I really loved your site. Very enjoyable reading. By the way, can you tell the rest of us what kind of HTML coding you use to create those little slide shows?

I am a new guy here too and don't know how this site works yet. It was nice you took time to check out my web site. I make those musical slide shows with a Windows Movie Maker 10 available with Windows or download at Microsoft. They have a “wma” file extension. I then post them at Photobucket or link to my web site.

Here is one I made from a 1962 Studebaker Lark commercial. This link did not work at first, but I fixed it.
http://s1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/?action=view&current=11LarkShowKathyKylie-1.mp4

Slide show includes these images & Oscar Mayer Wienermobile designed by Brooks Stevens. You can make these for free at Glickr.com

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/1960RedLark.gif http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/1964TanLark.gif

JL Jacobson
12-18-2011, 11:51 PM
[B][COLOR=#0000ff]A Studebaker Forum named: Edmunds Studebaker????? I don't see the connection between the two: Studebaker and multiple Carb. Intakes and High Compression heads? :confused: :confused:

Edmunds.com has a forum called Postwar Studebakers. Some of us Studebaker fans (especially Bill Pressler and me) were giving the moderator such a hard time that he isolated us into our own forum where we continue the battle. I use images like this to annoy him and because I really like Packard Hawks. Better get out the eye drops for this one.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/RedPackardHawk.gif http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/1958StudePackard.gif

JL Jacobson
12-20-2011, 10:59 PM
Should be shun Lexus' because they're made by Toyota? How about if people were to refuse to buy M-B any more because of M-B's hook up with Chrysler?

Well, you have to admit that some things worked out better than others. It must have seemed like a good idea at the time.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/1958PackardGreen.gif

Chris_Dresbach
12-20-2011, 11:45 PM
Welcome to the forum JL! I really like the first slide show. I remember seeing the final assemble buildings as a young kid. It burns me to see them gone now. Brings back some good memories of the past around here.

dean pearson
12-21-2011, 12:18 AM
Thanks for popping in Mr. Jacobson, Very interesting and love the slideshows.

Dean.

candbstudebakers
12-21-2011, 01:30 AM
Looked to me that some of your shots are from La Paloma?? what year if so?

warrlaw1
12-21-2011, 09:53 AM
Love the slide shows. Your 55 is tasteful! Welcome home.

R3 challenger
12-21-2011, 11:23 AM
Welcome, JL. I remember that meet at Dick Stewart's home. Dick later bought that Avanti from me. I was especially interested in hearing that your grandfather is in one of the factory photos. Congratulations on having quite a Studebaker family history. We'd all enjoy hearing more.

George


I was active in the Chicago area from 1968-1972 when I joined the Army. I went to California after that and stayed active here. At that time, the most active members were Bill Pienta, Ken Holste, Dick Stewart, Hugh Studebaker, Larry Swanson and George Krem, who I believe is your cousin. I first rode in an Avanti when George gave me a ride in his after a meeting at Dick Stewart's home in 1969. After that experience, I just had to have one of those, and I did before I was 20 years old. I am honored and pleased to have you respond to my post.

JL Jacobson
12-21-2011, 12:10 PM
Thanks for popping in Mr. Jacobson, Very interesting and love the slideshows.

Thank you for the compliments. The story about how I got the picture of former Studebaker employee and SDC member Bud Medich is here. http://stude.net/rollingalong.html The song is wonderful and I intend to make it into musical a slide show. I especially need more images of the administration building. If I use them, I will put your name in a credit trailer at the end.

I was at the 2002 Studebaker International meet for the 150 year anniversary meet and took my young nephew to the Studebaker museum where we saw the last Studebaker made in South Bend. After that, we then went to the factory where we saw an identical red 1964 Daytona parked next to the final assembly buildings. I was taking pictures when Bud Medich came out of the building supply store, so I took his picture and some of the buildings.

The next time I was there was in August 2007, on the way back from my father's burial in Souith Bend and they were demolishing the same buildings, so I took some more images. Bud Medich send me a letter about 5 years ago and he seems like a great guy. I never met an owner of a Studebaker-powered Studebaker I did not like. I had mixed results with the costom and hot rod guys who who have Brand X engines installed.

The images where Studebakers are on the grass is from the annual La Palma Park meet in Anaheim in 2004. I have been to that meet many times and will make some more gif images soon. The red Packard Hawk was at Barona Indian Casino in San Diego around 2008, as were the ones below.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/FarmTruckWeasel.gif

mbstude
12-21-2011, 12:35 PM
The George Krem / Dick Stewart Avanti is now owned by Ed George in Chicago. I talked to Ed last week and he's in the middle of finishing up a complete engine bay detail on the car.

JL Jacobson
12-21-2011, 01:02 PM
Welcome, JL. I remember that meet at Dick Stewart's home. Dick later bought that Avanti from me. I was especially interested in hearing that your grandfather is in one of the factory photos. Congratulations on having quite a Studebaker family history. We'd all enjoy hearing more. George


Love the slide shows. Your 55 is tasteful! Welcome
home.

Very good to hear from you too, George. I read about your unauthorized tours of the Studebaker factory in Turning Wheels and wish I was not trapped in Chicago Ridge during the final years of Studebaker. I went from first grade in South Bend to Henry Ford II school in Chicago Ridge, where they had a BIG picture of HF II at the main entrance. HF II was the devil incarnate on the Studebaker side of my family. After me moved to Chicago Ridge, I only got to be in South Bend during summer vacation with my grandparents, so I missed a lot.

As for my 1955 Commander, There is a neat story and musical slide show behind that at the bottom of the page. http://stude.net/commander.html Any James Dean fans might want to check it out because I ride the Commander on the James Dean Road to Cholame when September 30th falls on a Friday. Good images of his crash site on the 50th anniversary in 2005 are in the slide show. That Commander is like the 1957 Plymouth in the movie Christine when September 30th falls on a Friday. I want to know who first owned it in Burbank California in February 1955 and hope that the electric power windows will help identify it. It also appeared in an end trailer of Wonder Woman around 1976 when George Russell owned it.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/WonderWomanCmdrSm.jpg

I have a picture of Dick Stewart in his gold Packard Hawk at the final page of my web site. I will make a gif image of those photos soon. I have some of your white Avanti with the orange interior from 1968-79 (old photos not scanned into images yet). Dick Stewart had the best cars, including the 1937 or 1938 Cord in his garage. I thought I got the Avanti for the lowest price of $1,600 in 1971 BUT then Dick Stewart bought a blue one with white interior for only $700 shortly thereafter.

I am having fun here and will post a few more gif images soon. I will make them a little larger and will slow down the frame rate to be easier on the eyes of the older guys. I am trying to get rid of the large baby picture above too. I should not have taken that from my web site in the first posting because it is too large. Avanti always, JLJac

JL Jacobson
12-21-2011, 05:42 PM
I was especially interested in hearing that your grandfather is in one of the factory photos. Congratulations on having quite a Studebaker family history. We'd all enjoy hearing more. George

It is hard to imagine a day would come when Geroge Krem would be asking me about Studebaker history. I always asked you questions in the distant past. OK, here is my short history. My grandfather, Joseph A, Przestwor was the foreman of the third floor in the building that was just south of the administration building when he retired after 42 years at Studebaker in 1962. He was also the second Post Commander of American Legion Post 357 around 1925 and his picture is still on the wall there. He attended meetings regularly through the mid 1970s. He met my Grandmother at the Studebaker factory around 1924. She sewed curtains for touring cars at the time, as did two of her sisters.

The first image is my Grandfather getting his Studebaker 30 year service pin in 1951. In the second image, he is steering the Lark. I tired to post two more images, but cannot do it now. I must have used up my space here. Will try later.
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/Grandpa1952ESmj-1.jpg http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/GanadpaDockssm.jpg

Welcome
12-21-2011, 06:15 PM
WELCOME ...to the SDC Forum!!!

JL, I bought a ‘56 Golden Hawk 15+ years ago here in South Bend from a “Ken” Jacobson. Would he have been some kinfolk of yours? TIA

JL Jacobson
12-21-2011, 06:26 PM
Sorry, I am the only Jacobson in the family who cares about Studebakers. My Dad did not care much one way or the other about Studebakers either. Studebaker was a special thing I had with my Grandpa Przestwor, who passed away in 1979. He was a foreman there and I thought that was almost as good as being the President.

StudeRich
12-21-2011, 11:01 PM
Hi JL, I really enjoyed your Webpage, I spent a couple of hours the other night reading about 3 Chapters of it.

One thing I noted was that you mentioned selling your White Avanti to Gordon Richmond in Canada. Would you like to find it again? I think Gord may still have it or know where it is, he is a friend of many of us here, and uses Gordo as his handle.

I am sure we had to have crossed paths somewhere in So. Cal. did you go to the OEC Monthly Meetings? I know from your Pics that you at least went to the La Palma meets.
I was a 2 Term Chapter Treasurer, VP, and President.

I really enjoyed the '55 Commander possible James Dean link story on the Website. Is there ANY documentation that James actually ORDERED a Car of any kind and later cancelled it for the Porche?

I think I knew your friend George Russell, I worked with a guy at Northrop Aircraft, Hawthorne, CA in Electrical Planning Dept. who owned Studes and died in a motorcycle crash. I seem to remember he lived out East of the L.A. basin somewhere in the desert area, Lancaster, Palmdale? I can't remember oldheimers guess!

Thank you for posting the Pic of your Grandfather on the '59 Lark line, I wanted to save copy but I could not with that very annoying slide show thing. Is there NO WAY to slow that thing down so you can actually SEE those cool Pics? We like to Save and to micro-annalize each Stude. here and cannot, unless they are Jpeg Pics.

Again, very glad to have you here, Rich. Gahlbeck,
former: Frank H. Afton Co. Studebaker Parts Dept. Assistant, L. A. Studebaker Parts Warehouse gopher, Frost and French Studebaker Parts Dept. Counterperson, Stude. of Calif. order desk tech, parts Puller and Mechanic for Studebaker Parts and Service, Long Beach, CA.

R3 challenger
12-22-2011, 11:09 AM
A little-known fact about the white Avanti I sold to Dick Stewart (now owned by Ed George) is that I bought it in 1966 from Mary Ann Harbit....before she became Mary Ann Harbit. Later, in 1969, I bought the R3 engine that is now in the car from Paxton Products. They told me it was the last genuine R3 they had parts to build.

George


The George Krem / Dick Stewart Avanti is now owned by Ed George in Chicago. I talked to Ed last week and he's in the middle of finishing up a complete engine bay detail on the car.

JL Jacobson
12-22-2011, 12:32 PM
You raise many issues in your reply, StudeRich I might remember you by the cars(s) you drive. You should habe them at your profile. I will address the subjects you raise without repeating the quotes to save space.

I sold my Avanti to Gordon Richmond of Calgary Canada and he sent me an E-mail saying that he sold it to some guys who were turning it into a modern Blake Avanti. I lost the E-mail but would be interested in knowing more if it is not too much trouble for you to find out.

The George Russell I knew worked at Douglas in Long Beach when I knew him BUT he may have worked at Northrop before then. He was also a James Dean collector and talked about the 1955 Commander being originally ordered by James Dean for his father, but that did not mean much to me until he died in the motorcycle crash because I was not a James Dean fan until I got the car after George’s fatal motorcycle crash. When I got copy of the production order from the factory and found that is was ordered the day before James Dean’s birthday and shipped to Burbank where James Dean lived at the time, George’s stories seemed to be true. James Dean’s father lived in Santa Monica by the Aero Theatre and then moved to Bundy Drive just outside the Santa Monica boarder with West LA, so if the car was ordered as a gift, it would have been shipped to Burbank where James Dean lived and worked at that time. Some other famous person may have been the first owner. The car is totally loaded with options, power brakes, steering , window, seat, 4 barrel carb, dual exhausts. Except for the Commander name, it is more like a President.

Should someone come forward and say that the car was first owned by someone else in the Burbank or LA area, I would be happy to know who the first owner was because many famous people lived in Burbank home of Warner Brothers, NBC and RKO pictures. I am hoping someone will remember the car because of the color and the power windows. This is how it looked when I first saw it in 1979

http://stude.net/garage16.jpg http://stude.net/garage17.jpg

The original license plate was OGG 479

We may have met at a Studebaker meet. I have been to many in California and attend La Palma on a regular basis. I was in the Orange Empire Chapter but rarely go to monthly meetings because they are too far from my home in Santa Monica, which is not in Orange County.

I will work on slowing down the frame rate on the slide shows (actually they are gif files, my slide shows have music) and will post a bigger version of Ghosts of South Bend. I always post small versions not to take up too much space and because if anyone tries to take credit for them I always have a larger version that I never made available on the Internet. By locking small images in slide shows, nobody can steal them.

The image of the Lark on the loading docks is available at a print image from Studebaker International.

JL Jacobson
12-22-2011, 01:19 PM
I am a little more protective of my images because they show up all over the Internet, especially this one.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/2BigMacCopmmander.gif

One of the places it showed up was here. http://www.hillcountrystudebakerclub.org/

I don’t want to make a big deal out of this, but credit should go to my web site. I am OK with it so long as nobody else makes money off my images. The image of the last South Bend Studebaker in the museum ended up at a web site in India, but they gave me credit for it. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/international-automotive-scene/38514-day-automotive-history-17.html#post1084220

JL Jacobson
12-22-2011, 02:08 PM
Love the slide shows. Your 55 is tasteful! Welcome home.

Hey Dave Warren, you have a very nice clean '55 too, but since it is only one color, I cannot tell if it is an early 1955 or a late one. Friends of mine went to the trouble of rebuliding their 224 cu.in. V-8 motor that was only available during the first half of the model year because they liked it so much. The auto magazines raved about the motor at the time, but bigger was better back then so they increased it to 259 cu.in. in January 1955.

The '55s are so underrated and under valued because the 53's and 54's get all the raves from the purists but the 1955s are much better cars to drive on a regular basis. They outsold the 1954s too. When I was a kid in South Bend and did not understand model year changes, I thought the 55 were more expensive cars.

8E45E
12-22-2011, 02:25 PM
Thank you for the compliments. The story about how I got the picture of former Studebaker employee and SDC member Bud Medich is here. http://stude.net/rollingalong.html The song is wonderful and I intend to make it into musical a slide show. I especially need more images of the administration building. If I use them, I will put your name in a credit trailer at the end.

I was at the 2002 Studebaker International meet for the 150 year anniversary meet and took my young nephew to the Studebaker museum where we saw the last Studebaker made in South Bend. After that, we then went to the factory where we saw an identical red 1964 Daytona parked next to the final assembly buildings. I was taking pictures when Bud Medich came out of the building supply store, so I took his picture and some of the buildings.

I did get some interior photos of the Administration Building and some of the Assembly Buildings from 2002 which I can scan later.

Leonard Shepherd is the caretaker of a member's 1971 photos which have several shots of it here:

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?8700-South-Bend-and-Avanti-II-production-in-1971-pics&highlight=1971

Leonard will have to be contacted for permission to use them, though

Craig

warrlaw1
12-22-2011, 04:06 PM
Thanks, JL. It's a later one with the 259 (now bored .0030 over). I purchased the production order from the museum and what you see is what came o12883ut of the factory with a few exceptions. I built it as a "nice" driver, so went with WW radials, Classic Enterprises' inner fender ki12882ts, hood stiffeners along will all the other stuff they had available: floor pans, trunk pan, body supports...I love those guys! I we12881nt with the later front sway bar and gas shocks all around. It was a body off complete do over and as it came black, I wanted to keep12880 it black. My high end body shop did a great job and fit and finish are better thatn the last 55 I had, but that was 35 years ago :).12879

JL Jacobson
12-22-2011, 06:53 PM
I would be very interested in images of the Administration Building because I wanted to join the images about Studebaker service pins with the sound clip from Partnership of Faith here at the bottom of the page. http://stude.net/craftsmen.html This sound clip is about having a career at Studebaker, which will never be counted in the “graveyard of failures”because it treats its workers so well. I don’t have enough good images on that subject to make a slide show with sound.

I would like to use close up images of the service pins they issued every 5 years. As you can see I have a complete set up to 40 years. I would be willing to add more or different pins.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/ServicePinsMedium.jpg

The sequence of the pins is so interesting. Paying no attention to my blue and red SDC pins, note the others are 5 years copper, 10 years bronze, 15 years silver, 20 years gold, then 25 years one pearl bottom, 30 years one ruby bottom, 35 years two pearls top and 40 years two rubies top. I don’t know what comes after that, but would be willing to include it in a gif image or slide show. For a larger view, click here http://stude.net/jljpinslg.jpg

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/VanceWorkersMedium.jpg

This photo is interesting too. Notice how the President HS Vance at the far left gets to wear the white shoes. I wonder what would have happened if one of the workers showed up wearing white shoes? Notice how nobody wears a suit coat jacket. Not everyone could afford one because some of the workers had lots of children. Therefore, nobody wears one unless everyone does, and that includes the President. Studebaker was such a wonderful company.

I am just posting gif images at this site, most of them are in larger musical slide shows at my web site. If I get good images of earlier meets, I can make gif images pretty quickly. I will make one of the 1968-69 meet in South Bend tonight as an example. I will slow down the frame rate so they do not make StudeRich dizzy.

hausdok
12-22-2011, 10:31 PM
I am a little more protective of my images because they show up all over the Internet, especially this one.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/BgMacCommander.gif

One of the places it showed up was here. http://www.hillcountrystudebakerclub.org/

I don’t want to make a big deal out of this, but credit should go to my web site. I am OK with it so long as nobody else makes money off my images. The image of the last South Bend Studebaker in the museum ended up at a web site in India, but they gave me credit for it. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/international-automotive-scene/38514-day-automotive-history-17.html#post1084220From now on, whenever you post a picture make sure you've got it annotated :

© 2011 JL Jacobson, all rights reserved

It is not necessary to file for a copyright; all you have to do is declare your copyright and nobody can use it at that point without your permission. If they do, you can write to them and demand they remove it. If they refuse or ignore you, you can then initiate a DMCA copyright complaint against them with the major search engines and they'll be removed from those engines. That actually happened to my webzine. Some fellow posted a long response one day to a subject but never told everyone that it wasn't even his response - he'd grabbed it from a findlaw website and it had been written by a lawyer (go figure). The upshot was that the lawyer didn't even bother to write to us to tell us about it, he immediately initiated a DMCA copyright complaint with google and we were notified by google that we were being removed from their search engines until the issue was resolved.

Let me tell you, when Google decides to remove you from their search engines it's a serious deal because other sites that are linked into google will also avoid you like the plague. Once we heard from google what had happened, we removed the offending post but after that we had to repair or sites reputation with google and others.

Another example. I copyrighted my sites' content as far back as 2002 and trademarked the name of the site; but about three years ago another guy filed formally for the mark before I did. The USPTMO gave it to him but then we appealed it and won it by proviing first use of the mark in commerce.

Bottom line, your intellectual property is your own and the only thing you need to protect it and make that protection actionable is to declare it copyrighted and/or trademarked. Formally filing is better, but if you don't want to spend the money you are still protected under the law if you simply declare it so.

Another thing, depending on which state you are in, if you sue for violation of your copyright, and you have formally filed it, you can be awarded as much as treble damages in court.

Mike O'Handley
Kenmore, Washington
hausdok@msn.com

JL Jacobson
12-22-2011, 11:28 PM
Thank you for the good advice. I have the images at my website and a copyright on the website. I am careful to keep larger images in my computer than I post to the Internet so I can prove I have the original image. I put small notices in the images or end trailers that refer to my web site too.

Studebaker Wheel
12-23-2011, 04:04 AM
I would like to use close up images of the service pins they issued every 5 years. As you can see I have a complete set up to 40 years. I would be willing to add more or different pins.

You can see them on my website at: http://thestudebakerwheel.com/employee_pins/employee_pins.htm

JL Jacobson
12-23-2011, 10:55 AM
Hi Richard. I reviewed your web site and you certainly covered that subject in great detail. I did not know they made a 60-year service pin. I guess my grandfather retired 20 years too early to get the entire set. My grandfather's 40-year set would cover an employee who began employment in 1921 based upon the known fact that he got his to 30-year pin in 1951.

I think I will stay away from the subject of the service pins in any slide shows I make because it takes time to study those images. I would still like to cover the ceremony and the administration building. I will return to your website too. Very impressive.

Studebaker Wheel
12-23-2011, 01:26 PM
Hi Richard. I reviewed your web site and you certainly covered that subject in great detail. I did not know they made a 60-year service pin. I guess my grandfather retired 20 years too early to get the entire set. My grandfather's 40-year set would cover an employee who began employment in 1921 based upon the known fact that he got his to 30-year pin in 1951.

I think I will stay away from the subject of the service pins in any slide shows I make because it takes time to study those images. I would still like to cover the ceremony and the administration building. I will return to your website too. Very impressive.

Thanks. The website is a work in progress. As for the Administration Building I have dozens of photos of it both interior and exterior. Also views both current and decades ago. I conducted a few tours of the building during the 2007 meet. I also wrote a rather comprehensive history of the building in my Almanac columns in TW for June, July and August 2007.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/newsgroup/frontfull1941rqemail.jpg?t=1324664512
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/newsgroup/atrium2email.jpg?t=1324664406

JL Jacobson
12-23-2011, 01:39 PM
To Craig 8E45E: I saw your truck in Turning Wheels and loved it. I wish I had enough space and a reason to get one. Leonard Sheppard has many fine images I would especially like to use a few of the administration building he took to combine with mine of my grandfather getting his 30 year service pin in the same building. I will make a short gif slide show soon to show the 1968-69 International Meet in South Bend.

I took pictures with a Kodak Instamatic too, but I can make them look pretty good in small slide shows. I donlt want or need large images that someone could print. When Leonard sees what I can do with old my Kodak images, he might want me to do the same with his. Of course, I would have his name in an end trailer and would not post anything without his OK. I will contact him after I finish mine.

JL Jacobson
12-23-2011, 01:46 PM
Dave Warren, you have the best looking single color 1955 Stude I have seen. As a general rule, I really like the late 1955 two tone paint schemes, but the chrome and black combination on your Stude is an excellent combination makes the chrome an asset. In my opinion your '55 looks better than any single color 53-54 could for that reason.

mbstude
12-23-2011, 01:52 PM
I will make a short gif slide show soon to show the 1968-69 International Meet in South Bend.

Any chance that you have a photo or two of a dark blue '38 Commander sedan that was at the '69 meet? Harry Barnes drove it in from New York.

A good friend owns the car today and I'm always on the lookout for photos of it from Harry's ownership.

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/1959S2D/tally_38019-2.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee285/studeq/harrybarnes38commander.jpg?t=1261008334

JL Jacobson
12-23-2011, 04:51 PM
I am pretty certain that I do not have an image of your car alone, but it might be included in the parade to the Proving Grounds or in another group photo. I visited Herb Read at his home near the Indiana Sand Dunes State Park once and recognize his car.

JL Jacobson
12-23-2011, 11:31 PM
I just put this together from Kodak Instamatic photos I took in 1968-69. They are now brighter and sharper than the original prints. The square shape is annoying, but that is what I had. This is so much better than looking at the faded prints. The yellow 1960 Lark was my first car.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/SouthBendMeet68-1.gif

8E45E
12-24-2011, 02:08 AM
Dave Warren, you have the best looking single color 1955 Stude I have seen. As a general rule, I really like the late 1955 two tone paint schemes, but the chrome and black combination on your Stude is an excellent combination makes the chrome an asset. In my opinion your '55 looks better than any single color 53-54 could for that reason.

Here's another single-tone '55 that was in South Bend in 2002. It also has power windows.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6562959773_281443fdf5_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7159/6562953697_c85f86d346_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7151/6562955333_f0dfe42d9c_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6562957443_ec8c5aaae0_b.jpg

Craig

8E45E
12-24-2011, 02:46 AM
To Craig 8E45E: I saw your truck in Turning Wheels and loved it. I wish I had enough space and a reason to get one. Leonard Sheppard has many fine images I would especially like to use a few of the administration building he took to combine with mine of my grandfather getting his 30 year service pin in the same building. I will make a short gif slide show soon to show the 1968-69 International Meet in South Bend.

Thanks for the compliment on my truck. As promised, attached are the photos I took of the Administration Building in 2002. Unfortunately, I did not have a flash for the indoor shots, therefore, they are not as clear as they should be.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6563081435_78d62c5eb0_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6563079147_46bdf45d4c_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6563083277_58863046ae_b.jpg

BobPalma
12-24-2011, 06:41 AM
Thanks for the compliment on my truck. As promised, attached are the photos I took of the Administration Building in 2002. Unfortunately, I did not have a flash for the indoor shots, therefore, they are not as clear as they should be.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6563079147_46bdf45d4c_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6563083277_58863046ae_b.jpg

Gee, Craig; those indoor natural light photographs are beautiful. They wouldn't be anywhere near as nice with flash fill. BP

JL Jacobson
12-24-2011, 11:45 AM
Here's another single-tone '55 that was in South Bend in 2002. It also has power windows. Craig

I had to get to the office to see these last images because they would not load on my dial up modem at home. (I recently lost high speed Internet at home, but still have it at the office.) I keeping mentioning power windows on my Commander because it is a Commander not a President. My Commander has all the power options, but not the President trim which makes me believe it was a special order. I wonder if anyone associated with the Studebaker dealership in Burbank California is still around, because it was sold there. I found out the address but the building is gone.

Those power windows are very slow with the six-volt electrical system and I usually keep the motor running to get them up. I tell passengers that is a safety feature so that families with young children don't get harmed by getting stuck in the power windows. :)

warrlaw1
12-24-2011, 11:46 AM
Cool, 8E45E, wish I could've shown that picture to all the skeptics when I first started my build. No one could figure out why I wanted to fix up that "Studebaker". They couldn't envision the finished car. That would have done it for them (lol). It would take me hours to get that level of detailing done on my car. It's away for the winter. Wish I could start now.

dean pearson
12-24-2011, 12:16 PM
Thank you for the compliments. The story about how I got the picture of former Studebaker employee and SDC member Bud Medich is here. http://stude.net/rollingalong.html The song is wonderful and I intend to make it into musical a slide show. I especially need more images of the administration building. If I use them, I will put your name in a credit trailer at the end.

I was at the 2002 Studebaker International meet for the 150 year anniversary meet and took my young nephew to the Studebaker museum where we saw the last Studebaker made in South Bend. After that, we then went to the factory where we saw an identical red 1964 Daytona parked next to the final assembly buildings. I was taking pictures when Bud Medich came out of the building supply store, so I took his picture and some of the buildings.

The next time I was there was in August 2007, on the way back from my father's burial in Souith Bend and they were demolishing the same buildings, so I took some more images. Bud Medich send me a letter about 5 years ago and he seems like a great guy. I never met an owner of a Studebaker-powered Studebaker I did not like. I had mixed results with the costom and hot rod guys who who have Brand X engines installed.

The images where Studebakers are on the grass is from the annual La Palma Park meet in Anaheim in 2004. I have been to that meet many times and will make some more gif images soon. The red Packard Hawk was at Barona Indian Casino in San Diego around 2008, as were the ones below.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i480/JLJac1/FarmTruckWeasel.gif

Was this possibly meant for someone else ???
I'm just not that special.

Dean.

8E45E
12-24-2011, 01:24 PM
I keeping mentioning power windows on my Commander because it is a Commander not a President. My Commander has all the power options, but not the President trim which makes me believe it was a special order.

Your car was definitely a 'factory order' as opposed to 'bought off the lot', but I somewhat disagree to it being a 'Special Order', though. Remember, power windows were available on ALL series, Champions, Commanders and Presidents from January, 1955-on. "Special Order" would be someone ordering an option where all the literature clearly states something is either 'Not Available' on that line, or simply does not appear on the option list at all. A good example is the 1962 Cruiser that was ordered with power windows mentioned here: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?53660-Any-idea-why-Stude-never-offered-power-windows-in-any-of-the-Larks-etc.&highlight=rabbi

Craig

8E45E
12-24-2011, 01:36 PM
Gee, Craig; those indoor natural light photographs are beautiful. They wouldn't be anywhere near as nice with flash fill. BP

Thanks Bob. The lower photo with the elevator area is too fuzzy for my liking. I didn't have a tripod with me, either, and if I recall that one was a .5 second exposure with 100-ASA film. Even while firmly leaned back against the wall, it is still difficult to eliminate 'camera shake'.

Craig

8E45E
12-24-2011, 02:02 PM
Those power windows are very slow with the six-volt electrical system and I usually keep the motor running to get them up.

Those windows should not be slow at all and have loads of torque. Two things come to mind; one is that no one has replaced them with '56 & later 12 volt motors, and the regulators and channels are not dirty with grime-embedded lubricant. I talked to the owner of that '55 in the photos, and he replaced the motors with NOS ones which he took apart where he cleaned and replaced the original lubricant with brand new fresh stuff, and did the same with the regulators, and now those windows raise and lower rapidly and silently.

Craig

JL Jacobson
12-26-2011, 12:14 PM
Your car was definitely a 'factory order' as opposed to 'bought off the lot', but I somewhat disagree to it being a 'Special Order', though. Remember, power windows were available on ALL series, Champions, Commanders and Presidents from January, 1955-on. "Special Order" would be someone ordering an option where all the literature clearly states something is either 'Not Available' on that line, or simply does not appear on the option list at all. [/url] Craig

I should have used the term "customer order" because I did not know that "special order" was a technical term with a specific meaning. It would seem that orders could originate from the factory, the dealer or the customer. Saying that a car was a "factory order" seems like it originated from the factory. My Commander had enough options to qualify as a President but for the exterior trim. It seems that a Commander could be the same as a President except for the hood ornament and the chrome at the top of the front fenders. It seems that some customer in February 1955 wanted the best he Studebaker could get without the extra trim.