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Flashback
12-16-2011, 04:35 PM
I was wondering what yall thought about matching numbers. Correct paint color, and on and on. I paid a lot of money extrra for my car, cause I wanted a matching numbers car. I wanted a certain color. A certain interior, etc.
My Numbers match and my paint code is correct, for my build sheet. Can you only imagine how happy I was when I found the original "record and destroy" tag from the keys, under a scrap of carpet. Now, I know this goes along with the purist vs modified thing. But mine is modified, for now. However, this is what makes ME happy. Yall share your thoughts on this.

E. Davis
12-16-2011, 05:09 PM
I think matching numbers having a lot of value only applies if the car is kept completely original. Purists looking for an original car do want matching numbers if they are putting out big bucks.

JBOYLE
12-16-2011, 05:23 PM
And I'm really not sure matching numbers are that critical for an average-type car.
Nice to have, sure...but having the original engine in a six cylinder Lark 4-door is not quite the same as having numbers matching in a rarer performamce car.

The value of most cars..say a Lark sedan, will come from condition.

rockinhawk
12-16-2011, 06:05 PM
The Mopar folks are really big on Matching #s The local Drag Racing Hero around here drives a numbers Matching 69 Dodge Dart 340. He has 29 track championships to his credit. The Ford and Chevy people don't seem to care if the #s match or not. It has been said that no one expects an old Ford or Chevy to have the original engine.
As far as the Studebakers go, The matching #s give it a little extra grace. I have two hawks that I love dearly. One is my wife's 63 GT. Everything mechanically is as it came except the trans. and I have the original waiting to be rebuilt and go back in when the time comes.
The other is my 57 Silver Hawk. Hardly anything on it matches. The body panels range from 56-62. The engine is a 63. I have owned it for 32years. It is MY CAR ! I love it and don't care what matches or doesn't. It makes me happy, and I am the one who matters.

StudeRich
12-16-2011, 06:30 PM
Here's another way to look at it:

A Completely Original Looking Studebaker: owners and others care if the Engine Matches.
The INTERIOR is a very important Item that needs to LOOK original.

A Modified Studebaker: owners and others DO NOT Care what is in or on the Car.

As far as the Alternator, Starter, Carburetor, Transmission, Rear Axle, there are very, very few Studebaker owners that would care if it is the original unit that came with the car from the Factory, mainly because only a real fanatical purist carrying a date decoder and magnifying glass MIGHT be able to tell!

whacker
12-16-2011, 06:34 PM
The Corvette people are really anal about matching numbers. I don't think anyone matches their stupidity about numbers.

Dick Steinkamp
12-16-2011, 07:06 PM
With Studebakers, I think you will find a few folks like yourself where it is important that the car's engine, equipment, and paint matches the build sheet, but it is my guess that they are few and far between. I think when stock collector cars start selling for $50k and up, it becomes important to far more people...and I think there might be 10 Studes in that category. ;)

rockne10
12-16-2011, 08:08 PM
I have two Starlight Coupes and two matching engines. The '53 engine is now in the '51 and the '51 engine is sitting on a stand in the garage. A '63 289 is installed in the '53. It's just genetics; not critical.

stupak
12-17-2011, 09:27 AM
It appears that it is important to those that have one, and, not important to those that don't. I happen to have one of the '10' that matches the build sheet completely. I have NO problem with an owner modifing his/her car to their liking. It is, after all, their car and I like to look at them. But, I agree with the AACA. Cars should be 'displayed/preserved' exactly as they were built (except for the way to many over restored cars out there). Can you imagine a Mathew B. 30 years from now saying, "Wow, I didn't realize that Studebaker put Jaguar rear ends in their cars". I suspect that, down the road, matching numbers cars will command far higher interest and prices than the same modified example. That is, if you are concerned with your investment. stupak

Corvanti
12-17-2011, 10:49 AM
agree that on certified "original survivor" cars, matching numbers is a must!

and "amen" on the corvette comment. when i had my '80 C3 corvette, folks would "ooh and ahh" over it. most (not all) corvette owners would growl: "do the numbers match?" i'd say "yes". they would nod and keep walking... :(

Gunslinger
12-17-2011, 11:03 AM
The Corvette people are really anal about matching numbers. I don't think anyone matches their stupidity about numbers.

I have a '69 Corvette and used to have a '67 Dodge Charger. While the Vette guys may be nuts about matching numbers...the Mopar people are true lunatics over it. To them Mopar is a religion...they don't refer to "Mother Mopar" for no reason. They're off the charts crazy...Corvette people are minor league in comparison.

gordr
12-17-2011, 11:17 AM
IMHO, for Studebakers, matching numbers should only be an issue if the car is equipped with an engine non-typical for the model. Say one of the six-cylinder export Hawks. Or an Avanti-powered Hawk, Lark, or Champ. Or R3 and R4 powered anything.

Bob Andrews
12-17-2011, 11:18 AM
The Corvette people are really anal about matching numbers. I don't think anyone matches their stupidity about numbers.

Never trust car guys who purposely overspray their valve covers during a restoration:)

bob40
12-17-2011, 11:27 AM
I sell a lot of Mopar parts and know enough that I better have the part number and build date including which shift on things like alternators.
Had perfect wing windows that guys wouldnt buy as the date code was a week off from rest of the windows in their cars.A hose routing bracket from a early production run cant be used in a car after a certain day(not week) if their is documentation of a production change.
Studebaker folks just ask if a part will work on their car.

Gunslinger
12-17-2011, 11:54 AM
Never trust car guys who purposely overspray their valve covers during a restoration:)

Gotta agree with you on that, Bob! I can't see paying big bucks for a paint job and ASKING for overspray! You pay that kind of money and you want to see perfect. Just because the factory routinely did half-a$$ paint jobs doesn't mean you have replace it with one.

Chucks Stude
12-17-2011, 01:10 PM
A friend of mine bought a C-5 Vette, and bought an extra engine from the factory, at the same time as he bought the car. He drove the car for a while, and than put it on Ebay. Problem was, he drove the car with the orig engine in it, and the spare made the car less valuable. Vette people are nuts.

Corvanti
12-17-2011, 01:24 PM
A friend of mine bought a C-5 Vette, and bought an extra engine from the factory, at the same time as he bought the car. He drove the car for a while, and than put it on Ebay. Problem was, he drove the car with the orig engine in it, and the spare made the car less valuable. Vette people are nuts.

in the "vette nut world", he should have had the spare engine installed immediately and save the "original" engine for installation down the road a few years.

happy not to be part of that world anymore...

no nuts here!!! :rolleyes:

BTW: i'd take another vette anytime, just wouldn't get involved with the craziness...