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glen
12-16-2011, 12:24 PM
There seems to be a good number of questions being asked on this forum, for the 2012 international Meet in South Bend, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of organized responses! Is or are there any plans for a representative, from the Michiana Chapter, to be responsible for viewing this forum and respond to the postings as they come in. I'm certainly not trying to create an issue, but it makes sense to me, that if you are sponsoring an International Meet and there is a forum on the the official Studebaker Drivers Club forum, strictly for about said meet, someone should be viewing/answering these questions, officially, with the best knowledge, available at that moment, or at least post a response "that it has been viewed and will have a reply shortly." Or are these questions just going to "flap" in the wind........

It was just a thought and again I'm not trying to start an issue!

stupak
12-16-2011, 08:02 PM
I've emailed several individuals about securing a 'Pre-Meet Book' for our collection, that several posts indicated they had. To date, I have had not a one response. I think Indiana is asleep. Don't expect to much assistance, or information. stupak

Welcome
12-17-2011, 11:32 AM
I've emailed several individuals about securing a 'Pre-Meet Book' for our collection, that several posts indicated they had. To date, I have had not a one response. I think Indiana is asleep. Don't expect to much assistance, or information. stupak

Sorry to hear about that!:(

The wife & I picked up a 'Pre-Meet Book' at our Chapter's November meeting. IF ...you would like it, you are very "Welcome" to it.;) Just PM me with your complete mailing address and I can get it in the mail to you Monday ...OK???

StudeDave57
12-17-2011, 12:14 PM
It was just a thought and again I'm not trying to start an issue!
The way I see it- it is an issue, and something that ought to be addressed!!!

In this day and age- the internet is not to be ignored.
Especially when SDC pays for a great website like this one.
Take advantage of it~ make the show bigger then it's been.
But you must spend some time here to do so... :confused: :rolleyes:


The same can be said for Zone Meets.

JRoberts
12-17-2011, 07:49 PM
In this case it is not just on the forum that we see a lack of response. I cannot get responses to emails either. I did send some earlier, but yesterday I sent one to Tom Curtis, the meet Chairperson, hopefully I will get some response before too long. I just do not understand why we cannot get responses to our questions here. I almost feel like somehow I am suposed to know everything about this meet simply because it is being held in South Bend. I hate to be negative and am trying not to be, but I am becoming somewhat disalutioned with the whole thing. Hopefully some postive stuff will come from Tom.

Welcome
12-17-2011, 09:26 PM
The way I see it- it is an issue, and something that ought to be addressed!!!

In this day and age- the internet is not to be ignored.
Especially when SDC pays for a great website like this one.
Take advantage of it~ make the show bigger then it's been.
But you must spend some time here to do so... :confused: :rolleyes:
The same can be said for Zone Meets.

Just a thought …NOT making excuses for anyone!!!

The 2012 SDC International Meet is Co-hosted by the Studebaker National Museum and the Michiana Chapter. For general questions about South Bend; it’s past, present or future, hotels, facilities, etc. you may get a more prompt response by contacting the Studebaker National Museum direct through their new & excellent website here: http://studebakermuseum.org/

email ‘em, phone ‘em, Fax ‘em, catch ‘em on Facebook or twit ‘em on Twitter. They are open 7 days a week, 360 days a year.

They have an excellent full-time staff. The SNM staff has direct connections with their counter-parts in the St. Joseph County Visitors & Convention Bureau, the South Bend Chamber of Commerce, the Center of History, etc., etc.

Please remember, the Studebaker National Museum was the "HOST" of the 2007 SDC International Meet in South Bend. They may actually have more and up to date data than the Michiana Chapter who last hosted an IM nearly a decade ago and now largely have a "green crew" as far as IM hosting goes.

Again, just a thought …NOT making excuses for anyone!!!

JRoberts
12-18-2011, 09:26 AM
Just a thought …NOT making excuses for anyone!!!

The 2012 SDC International Meet is Co-hosted by the Studebaker National Museum and the Michiana Chapter. For general questions about South Bend; it’s past, present or future, hotels, facilities, etc. you may get a more prompt response by contacting the Studebaker National Museum direct through their new & excellent website here: http://studebakermuseum.org/

email ‘em, phone ‘em, Fax ‘em, catch ‘em on Facebook or twit ‘em on Twitter. They are open 7 days a week, 360 days a year.

They have an excellent full-time staff. The SNM staff has direct connections with their counter-parts in the St. Joseph County Visitors & Convention Bureau, the South Bend Chamber of Commerce, the Center of History, etc., etc.

Please remember, the Studebaker National Museum was the "HOST" of the 2007 SDC International Meet in South Bend. They may actually have more and up to date data than the Michiana Chapter who last hosted an IM nearly a decade ago and now largely have a "green crew" as far as IM hosting goes.

Again, just a thought …NOT making excuses for anyone!!!

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll keep it in mind if I don't get a response anytime soon. It does seem strange that if the SNM is the host they have not frequented this forum.

stupak
12-18-2011, 10:06 AM
'WELCOME' - Thank you very much for your offer and response. See PM's sent. stupak

StudeDave57
12-18-2011, 10:53 AM
They are open 7 days a week, 360 days a year.
They have an excellent full-time staff. The SNM staff has direct connections with their counter-parts in the St. Joseph County Visitors & Convention Bureau, the South Bend Chamber of Commerce, the Center of History, etc., etc.
Well then~ that right there is what makes the problem 10X worse!!!

If they have a full time staff, and are sooo connected-
they ought to be able to provide next day answers.

In my opinion.



StudeDave '57 :cool:

woodysrods
12-18-2011, 10:08 PM
I agree.
The Forum seems to be a natural for communicating information.
Maybe there are no members of the SDC Forum on the organizing committee???
But someone should be appointed!
Now!
Good Roads
Brian
PS
Is the New President of the SDC not a Forum member either?????

glen
12-19-2011, 09:58 AM
Good Morning, (at least in the US and Canada)
Apparently, in regards to Brian's question, if Mr. Curtis is a member of the forum? Unless he is hiding under a "non de plume"......guess not! Since I do not know him, I guess he is also the director of the Crossroads Region, for the SDC, the current President of the Michiana Chapter, of the SDC, and Chairman of the 2012 SDC meet in South Bend, along with several co-chairmen, which is why there is this forum! If we're all just paying attention to the International Meet's web page, there is no reason to suggest that we should be calling the museum, with questions. The only contacts listed are simply those listed under the contact page: Mr Curtis, Mr. Henning, Mr. Lepay, all 3 for the SDC, Mr.Starkey and Mr. Patton for the AOAI and Karen Dyer for camping and vending, plus 2 others......there is nothing directed toward the museum, itself! I can only think, as 1 suggested in a "PM": that if the Michiana chapter is hosting the event, with the museum, then people will come, making their pilgrimage, to the home of Studebaker, this summer, regardless! I agree with StudeDave57.....there is no excuse for not using the internet and this forum, in this day and age! I guess we got use to Mimi, during her term, coming on board from time to time, to address concerns or to put some "fires" out! We can only hope that someone, in the "Upper Cheese" department, will whisper into the others ears about this forum and its capability to get people informed, before not too much longer!

Welcome
12-19-2011, 11:01 AM
Good Morning, (at least in the US and Canada)
Apparently, in regards to Brian's question, if Mr. Curtis is a member of the forum? Unless he is hiding under a "non de plume"......guess not! Since I do not know him, I guess he is also the director of the Crossroads Region, for the SDC, the current President of the Michiana Chapter, of the SDC, and Chairman of the 2012 SDC meet in South Bend, along with several co-chairmen, which is why there is this forum! If we're all just paying attention to the International Meet's web page, there is no reason to suggest that we should be calling the museum, with questions. The only contacts listed are simply those listed under the contact page: Mr Curtis, Mr. Henning, Mr. Lepay, all 3 for the SDC, Mr.Starkey and Mr. Patton for the AOAI and Karen Dyer for camping and vending, plus 2 others......there is nothing directed toward the museum, itself! I can only think, as 1 suggested in a "PM": that if the Michiana chapter is hosting the event, with the museum, then people will come, making their pilgrimage, to the home of Studebaker, this summer, regardless! I agree with StudeDave57.....there is no excuse for not using the internet and this forum, in this day and age! I guess we got use to Mimi, during her term, coming on board from time to time, to address concerns or to put some "fires" out! We can only hope that someone, in the "Upper Cheese" department, will whisper into the others ears about this forum and its capability to get people informed, before not too much longer!

Glen, please be absolutely assured the SDC President and all his "Upper Cheese" (now that's cute:D) have secret SDC Forums they use to do their business and talk about all of us.:D Fortunately or unfortunately all of us cannot access their SDC Forums. FYI: Notice near the bottom left of the page that lists ALL the SDC Fourms and you will read this: Forum: SDC Internal Forums These forums are reserved for official SDC use. Now those would be the SDC Forums you & I have no access to.:rolleyes:

Members of the Michiana Chapter got "updated" at their November Meeting and further so at their Chapter’s Christmas Party this month where new officers were voted in. Mr. Curtis is no longer our Chapter's President; Mr. Lepay has returned to take that position for 2012.

In the November issue of our Chapter’s fine "Home of Champions" newsletter the organizational chart of the entire "SDC International Meet Command & Control Structure" is presented. Didn’t see any assignments specifically for the SDC 2012 International Meet Forum ...or for TURNING WHEELS for that matter...BUT the Executive Director of the Studebaker National Museum is assigned to "Meet Publications, Advertisement & Publicity." Whether or not that includes this Forum, your guess is as good as mine.:confused:


BTW Glen, how far do you live from South Bend's "Sister City" in Poland? If you plan to come here for the IM perhaps something "official" could be done between those TWO Cities in commemoration of the 50th SDC Year.
http://www.southbendin.gov/doc/Mayor_Czestochowa.pdf

JRoberts
12-19-2011, 04:01 PM
Glen, please be absolutely assured the SDC President and all his "Upper Cheese" (now that's cute:D) have secret SDC Forums they use to do their business and talk about all of us.:D Fortunately or unfortunately all of us cannot access their SDC Forums. FYI: Notice near the bottom left of the page that lists ALL the SDC Fourms and you will read this: Forum: SDC Internal Forums These forums are reserved for official SDC use. Now those would be the SDC Forums you & I have no access to.:rolleyes:

Members of the Michiana Chapter got "updated" at their November Meeting and further so at their Chapter’s Christmas Party this month where new officers were voted in. Mr. Curtis is no longer our Chapter's President; Mr. Lepay has returned to take that position for 2012.

In the November issue of our Chapter’s fine "Home of Champions" newsletter the organizational chart of the entire "SDC International Meet Command & Control Structure" is presented. Didn’t see any assignments specifically for the SDC 2012 International Meet Forum ...or for TURNING WHEELS for that matter...BUT the Executive Director of the Studebaker National Museum is assigned to "Meet Publications, Advertisement & Publicity." Whether or not that includes this Forum, your guess is as good as mine.:confused:


BTW Glen, how far do you live from South Bend's "Sister City" in Poland? If you plan to come here for the IM perhaps something "official" could be done between those TWO Cities in commemoration of the 50th SDC Year.
http://www.southbendin.gov/doc/Mayor_Czestochowa.pdf

The problem is still that there is no communication so people can make plans. I imagine that it won't be long until the Host Hotel is full and many of the questions out there are for information concerning the Host Hotel. Plans for most of us need to be made VERY soon or not at all. What do whoever is in charge expect us to do?

showbizkid
12-19-2011, 11:30 PM
the SDC President and all his "Upper Cheese" (now that's cute:D) have secret SDC Forums they use to do their business and talk about all of us.

Ha! Where'd you get that? There's only one board not open to the public; it's for the editors of chapter newsletters to collaborate and is hosted as a courtesy. There are no "secret forums.".

stupak
12-20-2011, 08:49 AM
showbizkid: Either you don't know the contents of the forum, or, you are hiding something. IF the only forum not available to all is the Editors forum, what is the "Forum: SDC Internal Forums - These forums are reserved for official SDC use"? Welcome was only informing us (the members of SDC) that there is a 'private' forum for SDC 'in the knowers' to use. That probably is necessary for officers to communicate business. But, then again, why not communicate so ALL members can see the operations of OUR club? Why attempt to hide it? stupak

glen
12-20-2011, 11:59 AM
"Welcome",
Sorry, but Walcz, my family's ancestral home, is in north west central Poland, closer to the Baltic sea, while South Bend's sister city, Czestochowa, is about 200 + miles south east of here and semi close to the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Let me tell you, it's no easy matter in getting there, either, as the roads in Poland are not quite as good as the autobahn's in neighboring Germany! We come each year in the fall and spend Christmas and New Years, with all the relatives....lots of good Polska food! The next IM for us will be Colorado Springs in 2013, due to the nature of things. Chino Valley, AZ is our U.S. home. :cool:

:(I would ask you all, not to get too heated on this thread, as that was not my intent, in the beginning. I really just wanted to stir the "pot" a little and see if word might spread to those who are running the IM, South Bend, to see the great opportunity they have with the forum, to answer the questions that the forum members have and will post, while keeping us informed rather than scratching our heads. :confused: So if someone is listening......pass the word!

BShaw
12-20-2011, 05:46 PM
Resident conspiriacy theorist, Welcome wrote:
Glen, please be absolutely assured the SDC President and all his "Upper Cheese" (now that's cute:D) have secret SDC Forums they use to do their business and talk about all of us.

Folks, when he says "absolutely assured" that should be your cue to take whatever follows with a grain of salt. The TRUTH is, the "Internal SDC Forums" is a private category where individual private forums would reside. It was put there by ME in case the club wanted to have a forum for internal club matters. SDC officials have NEVER said they wanted me to set up a private forum for them and NONE EXIST in that category. The only private forum, as Showbizkid clearly explained, is the one created for chapter editors and publishers to share ideas, problems, articles, etc.

Now, IF SDC officials wanted an internal discussion forum, anyone giving it more than a second of thought would realize that it MUST be a private forum. I know that some of you think that only SDC members read these forums but that is not the case. These forums get more that 16,000 UNIQUE readers every month...meaning more than SDC folk are visiting here. Do you really think the PUBLIC should have access to internal SDC business discussions? But, enough on that as that has nothing to do with the 2012 IM.


Welcome wrote:
The 2012 SDC International Meet is Co-hosted by the Studebaker National Museum
Are you SURE? I have not found any references to the SNM as a "co-host". On the Michiana website the SNM is listed as a "partner" along with a number of other entities. The fact that no one from the SNM is listed as a meet contact further suggests that the SNM is not where one should go for answers to the type of meet questions I see posted in this forum and it certainly gives no cause for being upset at them for not participating.


stupak wrote:
showbizkid: Either you don't know the contents of the forum, or, you are hiding something.Shouldn't one know the FACTS before making a charge like this? An apology is in order.

All that said, I share the opinion that more meet officials should frequent this forum to promote the event, update information, answer questions and such. That, in addition to you folks sharing your own meet plans, is what this forum is for.

BTW, a pre-meet booklet can be downloaded from the Michiana Chapter website but I'd imagine that the info on the official meet site is more current.

Welcome
12-21-2011, 01:16 PM
Folks, when he says "absolutely assured" that should be your cue to take whatever follows with a grain of salt.
As for the source of that "grain of salt," please check the last PM YOU sent ME nearly a year ago in which YOU made mention of a "secret forum." How about it Bob, do you remember now???:rolleyes:



Are you SURE? I have not found any references to the SNM as a "co-host".

;)Yes, I’m pretty sure Bob, but here you take a look. Right there in the center of the 2012 IM Meet Booklet’s front cover it states:

"Proudly Hosted by The Michiana Chapter & The Studebaker National Museum"

Well sir, at least here in South Bend we call that "Co-hosting.";) http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd257/GoldenHawk_photos/Booklet.jpg


And FWIW below is a copy of the 2012 "SDC International Meet Command & Control Structure" as published in our Michiana Chapter’s award winning, "Home of Champions" November, 2011 Newsletter.
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd257/GoldenHawk_photos/2012Meet.jpg
BTW, any SDC Member can also become a member of the Michiana Chapter for $18. p/y and receive your own 12 informative issue of Home of Champions ...you choose delivery either snail-mail or now electronically!!!:cool: http://www.michiana-chapter-sdc.net/uploads/mcsdcapplication2007.pdf


All that said, I share the opinion that more meet officials should frequent this forum to promote the event, update information, answer questions and such. That, in addition to you folks sharing your own meet plans, is what this forum is for.

Well looky here ...even two Geezers like us :o:o can find some things to agree on!!! Bob, Happy Holidays to you.:D

...and always remember; ...an informed Membership …is a loyal Membership!!!

stupak
12-21-2011, 03:23 PM
Bob: Showbizkid stated. "There's only ONE board not open to the public; it's for the editors of chapter newsletters to collaborate and is hosted as a courtesy. There are NO secret forums." I stated, "Either you don't know the contents of the forum ((obviously he doesn't)), or, you are hiding something ((obviously you can't hide something you are unaware of))." I said 'either, or'. Not sure why you think an apology is necessary for stating a fact? He apparently is not aware saying there was only ONE, when in fact, there are secret forums, used or not. THAT'S the point 'welcome' (our resident conspiriacy theorist) was tryng to make. No conspiriacy, just a fact! Perhaps there is a 'conspiriacy cell' lurking out here? After your explanation for 'hiding' certain communications, I can understand that. I can't, however, understand why you don't know about the SNM's involvment with the 2012 meet, considering it is plainly shown on the meet logo above, AND, mentioned in the opening leter from the meet chairmen that appears in the first paragraph of the meet information when you click on the meet link in this forums header. I guess it shows that none of us knows everything. Like someone once said, "If all else fails, read the instructions'"

Welcome: If you really want to be a trouble maker, post a copy of Bob's letter to you mentioning a 'secret foum'. stupak

BShaw
12-21-2011, 03:50 PM
Yes, I absolutely screwed up on the SNM co-hosting comment. I apologize and deserve a good tongue lashing on that one.

I cannot find an email or PM mentioning "secret forum". If you got it, post it. I don't care. I don't think I wrote that but even if I did I doubt that I would have used the phrase in the negative context that was presented here. The ongoing tone that we moderators and the SDC deliberately hides stuff from its members to keep them in the dark is not correct, IMHO...and that was the basis for my irritation and reply. Merry Christmas, everyone.

glen
12-21-2011, 05:40 PM
Since the next few days will be filled with visiting relatives and the sort, I will say now to one and all:

Wesołych Świąt i szczęśliwego nowego roku z Wałcza, Polska

(Merry Christmas and a happy New Year from Walcz, Poland)

2R5
12-21-2011, 07:23 PM
Boy I hope the Museum doesn't have too much to do with next years meet.....the last one that the museum run was nothing more then a money grab!
Also lots of luck with your emails to Tom....a good friend of mine has emailed him more then once in regards to a SDC excecutive position , got nothing back from him at all and this was months ago. Something tells me if its not on his agenda he's not interested. IMHO

JRoberts
12-22-2011, 06:30 AM
The question still exists concerning how we get information concerning the upcoming 2012 International Meet in South Bend. I will be honest in as much as I have looked forward to attending this meet, I now have my doubts. The cost of rooms and parking at the host hotel is a big chunk of change that I could use elsewhere if nobody in charge of the event is interested in helping with the questions that are posted concerning the event. I find this all very disappointing!

Welcome
12-22-2011, 04:37 PM
Are we expecting too much ...too soon???

Just a quick comparison;

In the year 2010 when the Springfield Meet Forum went live, there were a grand total of 3 threads started.
In the year 2011 when the South Bend Meet Forum went live, there have already been 19 threads started.

:eek:YIKES ...over 6 times as many!!!

Again, the question is are we expecting too much ...too soon???

2R5
12-22-2011, 05:17 PM
It just scares me knowing the museum is involved....nothing against the museum , great facility but their only interest is making extra moneys

StudeDave57
12-22-2011, 07:00 PM
And FWIW below is a copy of the 2012 "SDC International Meet Command & Control Structure" as published in our Michiana Chapterís award winning, "Home of Champions" November, 2011 Newsletter.
That's pretty cool- but have you got a readable copy you might share?


Boy I hope the Museum doesn't have too much to do with next years meet.....the last one that the museum run was nothing more then a money grab!

The question still exists concerning how we get information concerning the upcoming 2012 International Meet in South Bend. I will be honest in as much as I have looked forward to attending this meet, I now have my doubts. The cost of rooms and parking at the host hotel is a big chunk of change that I could use elsewhere if nobody in charge of the event is interested in helping with the questions that are posted concerning the event. I find this all very disappointing!
I agree. So much so that I'm looking into attending a few Zone Meets rather then the International this year. Looking at the timing of the ones I know about-- there are several that could be hit with in the same amount of time I'd spend out and back for the International. I'm begining to think my time might be better spent that way.



Are we expecting too much ...too soon???
It's not rocket science~ South Bend Meets do tend to be BIG.
StudePeople who do not live there tend to think of SB as 'Mecca' of sorts.

Therefore- they ask questions.

So it doesn't seem like too much to expect those who want us there to answer the questions that have been asked. But when no answers to those ever important questions seem to be produced it makes them wonder if this year's will be worth it. In my case-- I was just there in 2002 and 2007.
And I'm already looking into alternate shows for 2012...

Maybe it's time for you to take the reins and become the Official 'un-Official' Spokesperson for the meet already!?!?!?!?! It's really not hard to do- you seem to have all the answers to the questions. And if you don't- you're in a way better position to get them then most other folks are!!! Share that info but include the disclaimer stating "Official Un-Official Spokesperson" just as I did for the Zone Meet my Chapter did last year.
Then again- you could just officially V O L U N T E E R for the job...

stupak
12-22-2011, 07:47 PM
'Welcome' - I received the 'envelope' today. THANKS very much. I sincerly appreciate it.

BUT.....I don't think people are expecting to much to soon. We have been to South Bend many times and know the 'ropes'. That said, there are other members that might be attending for the first or second time and have legitimate questions and need to make plans. As soon as the meet thread is opened, I would expect a member of the meet committe to be ready and willing to answer any and all questions as soon as asked. I don't think that is expecting to much. StudeDave57 makes a good point. YOU should assume that position......really! stupak

Welcome
12-22-2011, 08:20 PM
That's pretty cool- but have you got a readable copy you might share?

Send me a PM with your email address and Iíll send you a large size (& hopefully legible) file of the 2012 "SDC International Meet Command & Control Structure." Donít be expecting anything high resolution because what was printed in our "Home of Champions" already appears to be some kind of copy-of-a-copy.


Maybe it's time for you to take the reins and become the Official 'un-Official' Spokesperson for the meet already!?!?!?!?! It's really not hard to do- you seem to have all the answers to the questions. And if you don't- you're in a way better position to get them then most other folks are!!! Share that info but include the disclaimer stating "Official Un-Official Spokesperson" just as I did for the Zone Meet my Chapter did last year. Then again- you could just officially V O L U N T E E R for the job...

Thank you StudeDave57 for your vote of confidence,;) BUT ...I was the Co-chair of the 2002 South Bend IM, and believe me thatís a O-N-C-E in a life-time experience!!! Besides, the "New Crew" here mainly wanted our "2002 IM records" ...not our advice ...or assistance. I am very willing to let them pick up the ball and run with it "their way" because, quite frankly, theyíll be around a lot longer than many of us will.

2R5
12-22-2011, 08:30 PM
Well maybe you should give them all your 2002 info you have because that was a very well run IM ...IMHO

Welcome
12-22-2011, 08:38 PM
Well maybe you should give them all your 2002 info you have because that was a very well run IM ...IMHO


PLEASE ...rest assured, the "New Crew" got all the 2002 IM records they wanted ...along with some advice they not necessarily wanted!:rolleyes:;)

mlepay
12-23-2011, 01:34 PM
Hello all!

I am one the Meet Co-Chairs and will be one several who will be monitoring this forum in the future from the South Bend area (if nothing else to keep an eye on Tom Curtis <Grin>). Honestly I have not been on the forum due to the lack of time, however I will make time from now thru the meet to do my best to keep everyone informed.

If all else fails and there are still outstanding questions please email any one of the Co-Chairs, we are all listed on the meet Website and also on our Chapter website www.michiana-chapter-sdc.net and one of us will get back to you as fast as possible. I have received numerous emails over the last few months as have Bob and Tom. Believe me when I say we want the word out because we want this to be a very memorable event, for all the right reasons.

Happy Studebakering!