PDA

View Full Version : HEAD lIGHTS



David Richey
06-12-2007, 04:27 PM
I want to install Halogen headlight in my 77 Avanti. Is there anything I should know before doing this? Can I purhcase these bulbs at my local NAPA or Auto Zone store? Thanks

dclewallen
06-12-2007, 04:37 PM
I installed sealed beam Halogen bulbs in my 53 with no problems. A big difference from the plain sealed beam headlights. A much brighter whiter light. The bulbs should be available at most any parts store.

Darryl C. Lewallen Clarkesville, Ga.

sbca96
06-12-2007, 05:09 PM
Nothing special about this install, and its a worth while upgrade. If
you wanted extra light, you can wire a relay setup for direct current.
That isnt necessary though.

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

60Lark
06-12-2007, 10:56 PM
I put 7" Halogen sealed beam bulbs in my 60 Lark they work great while on Low Beam, but if I switch to High Beam and leave them on for a few miles/minutes the circuit breaker trips and all lights go out for a few minutes until the breaker resets.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6ce20b3127cce8d0e3b50356c00000000400CcNWTlozYsb http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6dc03b3127cce970d7aafd15f00000010100CcNWTlozYsb
Studebaker Fever
60 Lark
51 Champion
Phil
Arnold, Missouri

41 Frank
06-12-2007, 11:59 PM
Phil, you either have a weak breaker or the amperage draw of the new lights exceeds the capacity of the breaker you have,I have heard of this happening before and it usually means you need to increase the amperage of your breaker if your wiring will handle it!:)



quote:Originally posted by 60Lark

I put 7" Halogen sealed beam bulbs in my 60 Lark they work great while on Low Beam, but if I switch to High Beam and leave them on for a few miles/minutes the circuit breaker trips and all lights go out for a few minutes until the breaker resets.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6ce20b3127cce8d0e3b50356c00000000400CcNWTlozYsb http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6dc03b3127cce970d7aafd15f00000010100CcNWTlozYsb
Studebaker Fever
60 Lark
51 Champion
Phil
Arnold, Missouri

Skip Lackie
06-13-2007, 11:12 AM
The original poster did not mention whether he was talking about the sealed bean halogens (which are readily available in auto parts stores) or the European-style headlights with the replaceable H1, H2, etc bulbs. As 41Frank notes, the former MAY draw more power than a Stude circuit breaker (20 amps, I think) can handle. In that case, a higher capacity breaker or a separate relay would be required.

The European-style lights are even brighter, but are not strictly legal for road use in cars (legal on motorcycles) in many states. They can be found in the JC Whitney catalog, Hemmings, and from places that specialize in European cars. They draw a lot more than 20 amps and definitely require the installation of a separate relay and fuse, but that's easy to do and the improvement in lighting is impressive.

Skip Lackie
Washington DC

sbca96
06-13-2007, 12:08 PM
Thats what I touched on with the "relay" I mentioned. I posted up the
Ebay style headlights a while back, and the thread has some decent info
on installing the relay wiring for super bright (and safer) headlight
wiring. Overheating the wiring CAN cause bad results. It seemed like
the original poster was only refering to the common halogen bulbs.

http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6203

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/amc-509102_w.jpg

Tom


quote:Originally posted by Skip Lackie
As 41Frank notes, the former MAY draw more power than a Stude circuit breaker (20 amps, I think) can handle. In that case, a higher capacity breaker or a separate relay would be required.

60Lark
06-13-2007, 02:10 PM
Thanks Frank and Tom for the suggestions, I have a few of the sealed plug-in type relays that GM used in the mid 80s, I will make up my own wiring harness and terninal block using a couple of these relays to control the High and Low beams, it should be a piece of cake. I have done electrical control work most of my career plus I have been getting a lot of experience with rewiring the 56 Powerhawk that I brought home from Northern Nebraska about 2 monthes ago. I have almost completely re-wired the 56 Powerhawk. The fella I got it from, should never be allowed near another wire. From front to back and side to side, there was absolutely nothing wired correctly. When I got it home, I decided to make-up my own replacement wiring harness, using the correct wire colors. I am almost finished with the wiring and will moving on to the brakes which have been screwed up equally as bad. So rather than finish what he started, I am redoing what he did. Sorry for getting off topic [^]

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6ce20b3127cce8d0e3b50356c00000000400CcNWTlozYsb http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6dc03b3127cce970d7aafd15f00000010100CcNWTlozYsb
Studebaker Fever
60 Lark
51 Champion
Phil
Arnold, Missouri

41 Frank
06-13-2007, 02:24 PM
I admire your determination to tackle a wiring job like that in the Hawk Phil. I wired the 41 after I ripped everything out and started from scratch except I used a Painless harness and that made everything much easier than a scratch built one.;)I did install various relays for fan control and AC etc, I used stock headlight bulbs which made a relay not necessary in my opinion.See you in a few days.:)

StudeRich
06-13-2007, 04:26 PM
Yeah right, sure, install some of those European Gas bulb "blasters", so you can join the Lexus SUV crowd and blast a trail 250-300 feet wide and 600-700 feet long with blue/white light to blaze everyone's mirrors for a mile!

I don't understand how they get the right to import those darned things over here, the U.S. DOT must be sleeping! A few years ago you couldn't even import a Germany standard Mercedes here, without replacing all the lights because they were too bright, and they were not even close to that bright!

Those things are not needed on our well lit streets and freeways, only on one lane country roads that you could use driving or fog lights for.


StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Skip Lackie
06-13-2007, 04:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Yeah right, sure, install some of those European Gas bulb "blasters", so you can join the Lexus SUV crowd and blast a trail 250-300 feet wide and 600-700 feet long with blue/white light to blaze everyone's mirrors for a mile!

I don't understand how they get the right to import those darned things over here, the U.S. DOT must be sleeping! A few years ago you couldn't even import a Germany standard Mercedes here, without replacing all the lights because they were too bright, and they were not even close to that bright!

Those things are not needed on our well lit streets and freeways, only on one lane country roads that you could use driving or fog lights for.


StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA


Rich-
I don't think either Tom or I were referring to the blue-white "blasters" you see on high-end imports -- at least I wasn't. I was referring to the halogen headlight conversions that have been available for 30 years or so in the standard sizes -- 5.75" round, 7" round, 4x6" rectangular, etc. I installed some Cibie conversions in my 64 Daytona more than 20 years ago and have been pleased with their performance. I've also seen them from Carello and Hella.

I agree that they don't help that much in well-lit areas, but they're a big help on wet and icy streets with lousy street lighting. And if they're adjusted properly, they don't seem to annoy oncoming drivers any more than do the sealed beam halogens. But I do agree that the new high intensity discharge headlights seem to be a lot more annoying, and yet they're legal while the standard halogens were verboten for many years.

Skip Lackie
Washington DC

N8N
06-13-2007, 04:56 PM
Skip,

the "E-code" lights that you probably have still *are* illegal, despite the fact that they have a much better beam pattern than even the currently legal halogens - the low beams have a very sharp cutoff so there is almost no chance of dazzling oncoming traffic unless you're cresting a hill.

I've been running a pair of Cibies in my 944 on a custom relay harness for about 3 years now without comment however; I don't think I could go back to the stock sealed beams.

I've got another pair on deck for the '55 as soon as I get it together :)

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Mark57
06-13-2007, 11:16 PM
Up here in BC all you can switch to is the sealed beam halogen lights... If you go for anything fancier like Bosch, Hella, etc. you risk losing your vehicle's "Collector" car status.[xx(]

sbca96
06-14-2007, 03:16 AM
Honestly, with all the driving I do, Fords seem to be the worst of the
offenders for bright lights. Living in SUVafornia, I get my retinas
burned just about every night. That said, my 55 mile commute is on a
mostly pitch dark two lane road. Deer are my fear. I would hate to
scoop one in the Avanti, which is why I plan to add brighter lights. A
few extra seconds can be the difference between a scare, and a deer in
your radiator.....

Tom


quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Yeah right, sure, install some of those European Gas bulb "blasters", so you can join the Lexus SUV crowd

Skip Lackie
06-14-2007, 11:22 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mark57

Up here in BC all you can switch to is the sealed beam halogen lights... If you go for anything fancier like Bosch, Hella, etc. you risk losing your vehicle's "Collector" car status.[xx(]


It's hard to argue with the province's reasoning on that one. In most states and provinces, you can't qualify for historic, antique, collector, etc plates if your vehicle is equipped with any equipment (exception: seat belts) that wasn't available when the vehicle was new. Most of those laws are intended to prevent street rods with more modern drive trains from qualifying for antique plates, but enforcement varies all over the place -- especially if antique vehicles are exempt from inspection.

Skip Lackie
Washington DC

N8N
06-14-2007, 11:55 AM
I thought that a) E-codes were legal in Canada and b) that they were introduced back in the 60's?

And Tom, I agree 100% - Fords are awful. My daily driver used to be an old VW Scirocco with about a 1" suspension drop (sport springs) - basically the equivalent of sitting on a skateboard and scooting down the road. Not a day didn't go by without some Ford on my butt, blinding me with the glare from the rear view mirror...

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Mark57
06-14-2007, 01:05 PM
Nate,
I have attached a link to the Insurance Corporation of BC (the government corporation in our province that basically functions like the DMV in most states - except we have mandatory insurance requirements through them as well) website that lists all of the allowed modifications to a "Collector" vehicle without jeopardizing its status. I have been advised verbally that "halogen upgrade" means only a halogen sealed beam headlamp is allowed - not the units with a separate bulb.[B)]

Mark

http://www.icbc.com/insurance/pdf/approved_access_parts_list.pdf

N8N
06-14-2007, 01:31 PM
Mark,

that's too bad - IMHO that's one of the best upgrades one can do to a car that one is going to really drive. Although I suspect that is the point of their regulations... I'd probably go ahead and put them in anyway; I'm running them here in the US where they are verboten for all but motorcycles, and I got through VA's safety inspection without a hitch.

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Mark57
06-14-2007, 01:47 PM
The bonus of having "collector" vehicle licensing is that you can buy your annual licence and insurance for about 25 to 30% of the "normal" cost - which in BC can save you upwards of $700 per year. The downside is that your vehicle can be used for "pleasure" driving only - it can never be driven to work, school, etc. and you normally must have another vehicle registered as your "daily driver".

Mark;)