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kemprop
06-12-2007, 03:24 PM
Some general questions on Hawk Automatics:

Was there a 2 speed Auto, if so what years and what was it called?

Were there more than one 3 speed Auto, what years and what were the names or name.

Was a different Auto used for the floor shifter?

Was Borg the builder of all these?

Dick Steinkamp
06-12-2007, 06:12 PM
"Hawks" cover all C and K bodies from '56 to '64. Which are you interested in? Several different transmissions involved.

No 2 speed automatics ever in a Studebaker. Most started in 2nd gear, however, unless you floored it.

The PowerShift was used only with a floor shifter and it was the only Studebaker automatic available with a floor shifter. 1963 and 1964 only.

Borg Warner built all Studebaker automatics.



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mbstude
06-12-2007, 06:36 PM
Detriot Gear built the early automatics, I think some of the '56 or so Hawks had them.

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
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kemprop
06-12-2007, 08:14 PM
Thanks for the responses


It's a 64 GT with a floor shifter.

Will this shift thru 3 gears normally or only when you lean on it at a start? I read somewhere that 1st gear needs to be forced with a fast start or by some manipulation of the shift lever. I haven't had the car long but it seems to start off in 1st, shift to 2nd and not shift out of that gear. The tach doesn't work, but the engine seems to be reving pretty high at 50 mph. I expect a defective shift into 3rd but before I take it to a tranny shop I was hoping to learn a little about how they are supposed to work

Appreciate any comments

Dick

N8N
06-12-2007, 08:23 PM
If you have a floor shifter, you have the "powershift" automatic. There's no monkey motion necessary to do a manual first-second-third run up through the gears (it's the Flightomatic that requires some tricky manipulation of the shifter to hold second, as there's only "D" and "L" on that quadrant) but you DO need to either manually select first, or else push the throttle all the way down from a start, otherwise it will start off in second.

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Dick Steinkamp
06-12-2007, 09:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude

Detriot Gear built the early automatics,



Detroit Gear was a division of Borg Warner.



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kmul221
06-12-2007, 09:32 PM
Were the powershift automatics also a heavy-duty water cooled (Not air cooled)unit as were regular automatics ?

Dick Steinkamp
06-12-2007, 09:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by kmul221

Were the powershift automatics also a heavy-duty water cooled (Not air cooled)unit as were regular automatics ?


Yep, water cooled. A HD water cooled FOM was also available, however.

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Rerun
06-12-2007, 09:46 PM
quote:If you have a floor shifter, you have the "powershift" automatic. There's no monkey motion necessary to do a manual first-second-third run up through the gears (it's the Flightomatic that requires some tricky manipulation of the shifter to hold second, as there's only "D" and "L" on that quadrant) but you DO need to either manually select first, or else push the throttle all the way down from a start, otherwise it will start off in second.

nate

I don't think that the Powershift will kick down to first with the pedal like the FOM (or I haven't been mashing it hard enough).

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N8N
06-12-2007, 09:47 PM
I'm pretty sure it does, but now that you make me think about it I can't recall driving one that hard. Do you have the spring loaded throttle linkage? You probably do need to push it past full open on the secondaries.

nate

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GTtim
06-12-2007, 10:15 PM
Dick, I would suspect that the trans is functioning normally. Leave it in drive and start out, just as you begin to move shift the trans to first. If you feel a downshift then you know you're in 'real' first. Shifting to second will put you in that gear and drive will get you to third. I suspect that the higher revs you hear in drive sound too fast because you've been conditioned to overdrive transmissions. A typical Hawk engine with automatic will be turning almost 3000 rpms at 60 mph. Most people are accustomed to having an engine turn anywhere from 1600 to 2200 at that speed. As for the downshift to first when you start out at full throttle, some will do it, others won't. Shift the trans manually, you should be able to feel all three gears.

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

kemprop
06-13-2007, 03:13 PM
Thanks everybody, have some good answers and some things to check out. Appreciate all the help

casey
06-13-2007, 04:54 PM
I just picked up a '64 Daytona hardtop :), no engine or transmission. But it has the FOM shifter on the column. The radiator has a transmission cooler reservoir built into the bottom. Is this what you mean by water cooled?

starlightchamp
06-13-2007, 07:12 PM
I notice on my 63 Hawk GT wiring diagram an item called "kick down switch". My car has a Flightomatic.
Is this the switch that puts the car in 'L" when the throttle is fully depressed? Where
physically is it located on the car? I would like to check it out.
Thanks,
Looking forward to meeting you guys in South Bend.
...Dick

N8N
06-13-2007, 07:23 PM
the electrical kick down switch is for the automatic overdrive on the 3/OD transmissions. The kick down on a FOM is only controlled by the throttle pressure linkage connected to the bottom of the throttle bellcrank. There is some adjustment possible there, but it's best to leave it so that it kicks down as the factory specs or perhaps slightly tighter (the latter will hold lower gears longer and kick down sooner, if you prefer that behavior) too loose is definitely bad and could possibly damage the trans if it is driven too long like that.

nate

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starlightchamp
06-13-2007, 07:31 PM
N8N,
Thanks. That explains why I couldn't find it on the car on in the manuals FOM description.
Perhaps, at the Nationals, I can get a better idea on how to set up FOM's during the
Wednesday afternoon talk and demo.
...Dick