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dan0
06-11-2007, 04:48 PM
OK, 53 2R 11 with a previous truck 4-speed, now equipped with a Studebaker car T-86 OD trans.
Problem:
I have issues with the column shifter, I cannot go from lo to 2nd without grave difficulty (no-workie) -I have to stop-

How do I adjust the rods, anyone?

What is this 'transmission Shift Rod Adjusting Gauge' that's used in the shift linkage box on the column pg 213 of the manual?

The upper link on the column shifter is not firmly attached to the shaft? It just moves freely -does not seem correct. I can however, get into low and reverse!
More:
The OD Solenoid, how much draw (pwr) does it pull? Does it pull electricity continously while in OD? Will it need a relay to power it, or can a switch handle it?

thanks!
dan0

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

kemprop
06-11-2007, 05:48 PM
I have a 48 Commander with OD and have spent a lot of time trying to understand it.With regards the solenoid current, mine has a pullin coil that draws about 20 Amps and a holding coil that draws much less. The pullin coil drops out quickly, just like a starting winding on a motor disconnects when the motor is up to speed.This is very instantanious in the solenoid, just a split second.

dan0
06-11-2007, 06:14 PM
Hmmm.
Mine is a single unit. No idea if it has more than one coil,
it has a blue and orange wire.

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

gordr
06-11-2007, 07:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by dan0

Hmmm.
Mine is a single unit. No idea if it has more than one coil,
it has a blue and orange wire.

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332


Your OD solenoid does indeed have the two coils. They both receive power from the power terminal on the case. When the plunger reaches full travel, it depresses an internal switch which opens the ground connection to the pull-in coil.

The other screw terminal should read open-circuit to ground when the solenoid is un-energized, and should read as a short to ground with the solenoid energized. It should be connected to one of the pair of terminals on the kickdown switch that is furthest from the switch plunger, and the other terminal of that pair should connect to the points terminal of the ignition coil.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

dan0
06-11-2007, 08:17 PM
Gord-
Is there a way to wire the Sol with a switch and a relay?


Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

Roscomacaw
06-11-2007, 09:09 PM
Sure there's a way - but why would you want to do that? Stude used a relay and governor (governor IS a switch - an "automatic" switch) for a reason and it wasn't just to sell extra parts.

As to your shifting woes, most of us that drive the wierd, "three-onna-tree-mobiles" have gotten to where we just involuntarily redefine the movement of the shift lever when going from Lo to 2nd. Actually lifting the shift lever a wee bit beyond the cross-movement before dropping back to then go to the 2-3 plane. That little extra lift essentially aligns the worn or misaligned shift lever cams inside the little box at the base of the column.
That's not to say you CAN'T make things right and get it to where you don't have to give it thought each time yuou shift, but it involves taking apart the little shift lever cams on the column and making them true and non-sloppy after years of use.
Once they're set up right, you disconnect your shift rod completely, make sure your shift lever is DEAD center in it's range of travel and then - one by one - adjust the rods to align with the levers on the side of the tranny - said tranny ears both being dead center of their range of travel.

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

dan0
06-11-2007, 09:30 PM
Well a phone call to the Master, Vern Ediger of Halstead KS got the linkage adjusted, and we now have three fwd gears (in succession) and reverse too!!yee-haw:D
Now, for the Sol.[xx(]

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

garyash
06-12-2007, 06:37 PM
But, Dan, what DID Obi Wan Kenobe of the transmissions (Vern Ediger) tell you to do? Please share! Did you find out what the adjusting gauge is or what it is supposed to do?

Yes, you can run the kick-down/lockout function with a switch on the dash, as many of us have. That lets you kick out the overdrive at part throttle instead of mashing the gas to the floor. Works great for climbing hills and passing. While it takes only a single-pole, single-throw switch to do this, you may want to use a two-pole, single-throw switch and wire up a small light through the other contact pair to remind you that you have electrically locked out the overdrive. The lock-out wire should be connected to the relay to carry the current and there should be a fuse in the circuit.

[img=left]http://www.studegarage.com/images/gary_ash_m5_sm.jpg[/img=left] Gary Ash
Dartmouth, Mass.
'48 M5
'65 Wagonaire Commander
'63 Wagonaire Standard
web site at http://www.studegarage.com

dan0
06-12-2007, 08:24 PM
Gary-
The master said:
find 'true neutral' of the trans...ok.
Then find neutral on the column setup...err, ok.
Then:
"put the column in 2nd" then "put the trans in 2nd"
adjust the (correct)[xx(]rod so the clevis pin slides in with the shift column end installed.
"ok"
"Then put er in lo and adjust the rod/clevis so the pin drops in"
Roger![^]
GOT IT
Works pretty durn good...but no real engine compression braking in 2nd (I started a thread)
dan0
Anyone close to KS need a truck trans/bellhousing??:D
On Edit: Ol Vern sez "ya dont need no adjustment gauge"
Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

dan0
06-12-2007, 08:34 PM
Gary-
I'm not sure I follow you on the wiring...I feel I will need a good (fused) switch, and a decent relay to power-up the solenoid. Right/Wromg?
The govenor will go unused. Good/Bad?

Steer me straight, sir!
I have seperate Blue and Orange wires on the sol, what color goes to what?
dan0

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

Roscomacaw
06-12-2007, 10:16 PM
Well,
The last paragraph I wrote was basically what Vern told you, but all that matters is that you got it working right.
What worries me about going manual with a toggle switch is the possibility of forgetting you're in OD when you select and use reverse. Such a manuver will destroy the innards of the OD section in one event. Then you're screwed.
IF your tranny has a reverse lockout switch (and not all do), you need to incorporate that switch into your manual control setup. With the governor in the circuit, you had to be going 32 MPH in reverse to get into trouble, which is why they eventually did away with the lockout switch on reverse. But when you circumvent this safety factor, all it takes is one moment of distraction to cause you days of grief.[V]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

dan0
06-12-2007, 11:34 PM
Biggs-
Shift rods adjusted -system ops ck good.

OD:
Honestly, I'd rather connect it up like it SHOULD be, that way there will be no problems. I think there is a reverse L/O switch: is it the one on the aft end, with a rubber seal there to protect the innards of the switch? Mine works; (I ckecked it) but it's seal is SHOT.
If I wired this setup like it should be Id feel better...
dan0[|)]

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

Roscomacaw
06-13-2007, 12:48 AM
If there's a round thing - on the right rear of the tranny, that's the governor. The Solenoid mounts on the left side and somewhat forward of the governor. The LO switch doesn't have a
"seal" and is just aft of the solenoid with two terminals that wires get attached to.

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

dan0
06-13-2007, 07:16 AM
Biggs-
I understand what is what now.
OK.
Can you tell me how I should wire this setup? I understand there was a drop-dn or kickdn switch incorp on the throttle, I do not have this stuff, yet I want to wire it so the GOV allows the OD sol to engage/disengage.

Also- is there supposed to be an O ring, or gasket of some kind to keep the gov from leaking @ the base where it goes in the trans?

Many thanks, sir.
dan0

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

bams50
06-13-2007, 09:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by dan0

the Master, Vern Ediger of Halstead KS

Does anyone know if this Mr. Ediger will be at SB? Sure would love to have him looking in on out trans. seminar...

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

dan0
06-13-2007, 09:36 PM
I just spoke to him, yes :D he will be @ SB!
Also- if anyone is interested, we discussed wiring the Sol.

The plan:
Use the Stude Gov for the Ground.
By-pass the L/O Sw- and connect one of the sol wires to the Gov; the other to a fused toggle switch.
Blamo done![:p]
Me likes this setup!!

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

bams50
06-13-2007, 10:02 PM
Great! Hopefully he'll be willing to stop by so we can meet him and get advice on our rebuild... Wednesday near Studes Northwest area. If you talk to him, ask him if he'd stop by![8D]

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

dan0
06-13-2007, 10:03 PM
Send me a PM- I have contact info.
dan0

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

Mr Mike
06-14-2007, 07:14 AM
Fifth Ave Garage has new solenoid seals.
Mr Mike

dan0
06-15-2007, 07:21 AM
Mike-
I'm curious if there is a seal/gasket for the GOV.
dan0

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

Mr Mike
06-17-2007, 10:33 AM
Hi All
I'm not able to attend SD due to a prior commitment to the "Back to the Fifties" in MN made before I bought my Hawk. If any of you that are attending the trans seminar are going to tape it or take notes, I would deeply appreciate a copy.
Thanks,
Mr Mike

len
06-18-2007, 11:34 PM
After going through several used relays I checked with Fifth Ave. Antique Auto Parts they have a new relay for sale at $72. I haven't installed it yet but I think this may be the way to go. They advertise in TW.

Mr Mike
06-19-2007, 04:58 AM
dano - yes there is a rubber seal for the governor, part # 1545196, shown on page 210 of the 59-64 parts catalog. I don't know if anyone has it but it looks to be some type of o-ring so maybe a generic replacement might work.
Mr Mike

dan0
06-19-2007, 10:39 PM
Mike-
I will call and check with St Itnl to see if they have this gasket
dan

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

dan0
06-23-2007, 03:26 PM
Overdrive WORKS:D:D:D

Someone here please tell me if we should/should NOT move the OD lockout cable while in motion?
dan0

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332