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Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 09:53 AM
I have a 1956 Studebaker Commander with a clutch problem. I just bought the car and have only driven it about 600 miles and I have noticed a change in the clutch. The guy that built it had it set up so the pedel had no free play so the clutch was on top with about 1/2 inch from when it starts to disengage and when it is fully disengaged. The clutch never slipped at this point, but I was finding it very hard to drive. I played with the linkage and now the peddel goes down about 3/4 inch before it begians to disengage, but I still find it almost impossible to let it out easy. Now I have found that the clutch still does not slip when starting out in first but now if I'm rolling in first at about say five mph and hit the gas peddel the car jumps and jerks like maybe the clutch is slipping. I have also found that the car has never wanted to downshift into first if it is moving. Every other gear is fine when up shifting or down shifting. Is this a bad clutch, pressure plate, exe.. or is it adjustment. If I do need to replace anything is there another option like a ford clutch set up. I found that the 1956 259 with the T-86 has a clutch that seems to be non available.[V] Napa told me that they can get one listed for a 289, but nothing for a 259. I just bought a 289, could any parts from that be used to update the 259 to run the available clutch? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Don

JDP
09-09-2006, 10:01 AM
You should have more free travel then you have, it sounds like bad adjustment or a worn out disk. Most Studebaker vendors can sell you all the clutch parts. You can not downshift into first while moving on a 3 speed Studebaker. (well you can, but it takes skill):)

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62 Lark 2 door
62 GT(parts car)
60 Lark convert
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Roscomacaw
09-09-2006, 10:52 AM
Donald,

Does this car have overdrive??? Sound to me like you're describing a car that's got the OD handle pushed in and it's opeating like it should, but you're just not familiar with how the overdrive functions.
As JDP says, there's no syncro on 1st gear, so no moving downshift unless maybe you can teach yourself how to "double clutch" like drivers used to do in the 20s & 30s - before synchronized gear boxes were the norm.

I'd start out with adjusting the clutch before you just start throwing parts at it. It's pretty easy to do.;)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 12:01 PM
Thanks Guys!

Yes, It does have the overdrive but the handle is pulled out. All the wire for the OD is disconected and the OD failed to do anything when I pushed the handle in. (unless it is stuck in OD) I have the engine working a bit at 60 mph in third.

I had a 1948 Ford 3/4 ton that had to be double clutched, I sold it because it was so hard to drive and I had bought a 1951 GMC 1/2 ton. This was before I became a Studebaker guy and now I'm happy. [^] I'm new to the hobby and I'm learning as I go, so all this help is great!

I will try to adjust the clutch today and drive it to town before I buy any parts. Now I understand the grinding into first when I downshift. Could the jerking in first be because first is so low, I have found the car starts out in second gear smoother then in first just like my old 1948 Ford 3/4 and my friends 1950 Ford 3/4 HD. Is it ok to start a Studebaker in second?
Thanks,
Don

1951 (GMC 1/2 ton[:0])
1953 Champion 2-door Sedan
1956 Commander 4-door Sedan

mbstude
09-09-2006, 12:06 PM
This sounds exaclty like me the first time I drove my Dad's 64 Studebaker Wagonaire. It's a 3 speed without overdrive. It was the first stick shift I'd ever driven without it. The same thing happened with me. I couldn't start off smoothly to save my life. With Overdrive, I do just fine. I've mastered that one! ;)
And yes, you can start off in 2nd gear. I do it all the time. [8D]

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Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 01:50 PM
16 years old, WOW! People find it strange that I'm driving Studebakers at the age of 24 and not some muscle or sports car. You must realy get a reaction from people.

This is great to here something positive about my car verses the negitive views of the local car club. They all drive stuff from the big three and most of them have all their work done for them. They all say I have a poor clutch and I need to replace the intire setup. When I was burning oil they told me the engine had to be overhauled and when my wheels wabeled they siad I needed new rims. The car had not ran for 20 some years and after about 500 miles she stoped burning oil and after a wheel balance the wheels look good going down the road. I wounder what kind of money those poor guys spend fixing stuff that realy does not need fixing.

Good to have help from Stude people,
Don

1953 Champion (project in my garage)
1956 Commander (on the road)

rockne10
09-09-2006, 02:04 PM
Donald,

Welcome to our cadre.

After you get things adjusted properly, you really should get the overdrive wired and operating. We can help with that and, I gaurantee, you're going to love the way it runs; good fuel economy on the highway at whatever speed your suspension is comfortable with.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
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previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

Anne F. Goodman
09-09-2006, 02:29 PM
Overdrive is fun. It was very interesting to learn all about it from my husband on how to drive the 49 Champion. I always downshifted to help brake. It was strange that using overdrive it doesn't hold you back. And yes he told me about the lockout lever. When we first got the 49 of coarse overdrive wasn't working. So he put a toggle switch in I flipped the switch for overdrive. Then as he fixed the ways to use it changed. Seems like every repair new instructions. So now it works when I let off the gas after 30 mph it kicks in. Well in between all of the different instructions he said something about turning it off before you stop. Well I remembered that kinda sluggish on take off. But the corker was I went to Kragen's parts store parked up against the concrete stop, put it faithfully in reverse, pulled the emergency brake. Ok I come out Try to put it reverse won't go. I try everything I can think of. Somewhere in the back of my mind is something he said about reverse and leaving on overdrive. Shoot won't push backward, won't rock, tried 110 degrees outside nobody speaks english. Well you get the picture. Finally someone understands a little just enough to help me push her back just about 6 inches is all it took.
Then everything was fine again. I tell this story for education, a good laugh for you guys. Also as an ongoing project how the instructions change of an in progress car. A Studebaker Teaches You Patience. It Slows you down to appreciate the finer things in life,
the simpler things, it lowers blood pressure if you let it. Just remember to breathe along the way.
Sincerely
Anne

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion

Roscomacaw
09-09-2006, 02:30 PM
Donald, maybe as you say, it's just that you're not used to the low gearing of this car. The cars fitted with overdrive tend to have really low gears in the rear axle. This is a cool feature of O/D-equipped cars![^] The low rear gears allow for some really zippy takeoffs while the Overdrive allows for your engine to loaf along at 70MPH (which, of course, you're not enjoying now since your O/D is out of commission.:()
Fix that O/D and your first gear takeoffs will be LOTS smoother because of the "free-wheeling" function when O/D is engaged.
IF you noticed NO difference with the handle pushed in - two things come to mind. One: the cable's not actuating the O/D lever near the rear of the transmission OR it's actuating it, but just not completely. It has to push that lever ALL the way towards the rear to allow the free wheeling function to work (and this free-wheeling works whether the wiring is there or not). TWO: Someone's replaced the O/D transmission with a straight 3-speed version of the T-86 you should have.
You're gonna love this car ALOT more (and make your BIG 3 friends envious) once you get the O/D working. ;)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 02:35 PM
This forum is great and I have also joined the Studebaker Drivers Club. I will go out today and adjust that clutch and wire up the OD. I just got finished with wiring the intire 1953 Champion, so if it is the same it should not take long at all. I will let you guys know how it went this evening.

I see lots of cool cars listed under your names including some cool 1953 coups! Glad to be abord!
Don

bams50
09-09-2006, 02:49 PM
Somebody's gonna say it, may as well be me:

Got any pics??

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

mbstude
09-09-2006, 03:43 PM
I agree with all that's been said here. If you get the OD working, you'll love it! My Daytona has an auto trans, but the truck has a 3 sp. OD in it. I for one absolutely love the setup.


quote:16 years old, WOW! People find it strange that I'm driving Studebakers at the age of 24 and not some muscle or sports car. You must realy get a reaction from people.

Yes, a kid my age driving an orange 59 Studebaker really does make people turn their heads. I drive it to school everyday and everyone loves it.
Now I REALLY turned heads when I drove the '51 Stude 1.5 ton dump truck to school that I had. :D I traded it to my grandad for the orange pickup.

BTW, if you'd like, you can email me all the pics and I can post them/resize them if needed too.




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Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 03:49 PM
I'm not great with this pics stuff and can't seem to post them! I will try to e-mail them.

mbstude
09-09-2006, 04:12 PM
Good luck! That works great for me. I'm uploading fresh pics of my '59 now!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood-1.jpg

mbstude
09-09-2006, 04:44 PM
If you have it on photobucket, you will see derectly under the pic where it has the URL of the pic. Copy it and post it here, between image brackets.

The image brackets can be found right above where you type your post.
Or, just post the URL and I can put the image up. Whatever you prefer. ;)

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Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 04:48 PM
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mbstude
09-09-2006, 04:53 PM
I think I know what you're doing wrong. ;)
You're copying the URL from the address bar at the top of the page. On photobucket that won't work. If you look at your pics in your album, under each pic it will have its URL. (the one for the pic)
Copy that URL.

Confused yet? [:o)]

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Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 04:54 PM
The adress is photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/?sc=5

Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 04:55 PM
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

mbstude
09-09-2006, 04:58 PM
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

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Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 05:05 PM
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0013.jpg

mbstude
09-09-2006, 05:07 PM
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0014.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0013.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0012.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0011.jpg
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http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0017.jpg

Did I get them all? :D I just changed one number in the URL you posted, and all the others came up. Oh yeah, nice car! Dad has a 56 Champion 2 door, and it is one nice little car! Rides like our '71 Cadillac rag top!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3.jpg

Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 05:08 PM
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0012.jpg

N8N
09-09-2006, 05:10 PM
Not a bad looking car at all!

One thing that nobody's mentioned is that oil on the clutch can cause it to chatter when you let it out, how's your rear main seal?

If you suspect that the clutch disc may be getting worn, just try the old time honored test, get up to speed and nail the gas, if the engine picks up before you feel any acceleration, it's time for a new clutch. Alternately, with the parking brake firmly set, try to let the clutch out with the car in first or reverse. The engine should stall before the clutch is fully engaged. Only do this once! this latter test will probably kill a marginal clutch.

BTW it is good to see some younger people in here, I'm "only" 31 and feel like a kid at some of the swap meets :)

good luck,

nate


--
55 Commander Starlight
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

mbstude
09-09-2006, 05:11 PM
put it between the image brackets.

Remove X's.
picture URL here.

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Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 05:17 PM
WOW! You rule the pics![^]I think you have them all! I'm going to check out you pics now.

mbstude
09-09-2006, 05:22 PM
Thanks for the kind words.

Here's some of mine:

http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstude101
http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstudepagetwo
http://community.webshots.com/user/studestarliner
http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/



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Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 05:26 PM
I like that pickup!

The rear main seal leeking on the clutch sounds like a posibility. With only 39,000 miles the engine seals are probebly 50 years old. I sure has started leeking everything lately. I will give it a few tests, thanks for the advice.

Don

Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 05:39 PM
I'm curently driving a 2004 Chevy Colorado Z71 crew, but I think when I pay it off I will sell it and build myself a orange studebaker pickup!

bams50
09-09-2006, 05:44 PM
Cool car- love the red and white!

What are the seats out of? Looks like mid to late 80s Cad, Seville...?

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 05:58 PM
Not sure where the builder got the seats out of, he just mentioned a junk yard find. I found a 1957 Champ four door that I pulled the seats out of and I will use the same pattern to upholster them this winter in Red and White. They will look great in the 1956 Commander. The trunk lid is from the same junk yard car that was pink and maroon. The original trunk led kinked on me because of bad hinges, so I'm turning a 57` trunk led into a 56`. What do you guys do with hinges? It seems like they were a problem and still are.
Thans for all the advice and OD stories. I now know not to back up in OD.

Roscomacaw
09-09-2006, 06:33 PM
Donald,

If you get your O/D system all wired up and functioning as intended, you don't have to worry about the reverse in overdrive situation. There's a governor that won't let O/D engage until you're doing better than 30MPH. It's highly unlikely you'll ever find yourself doing more than 30 in reverse!;)

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

N8N
09-09-2006, 06:35 PM
if that's 39K original miles another possibility is that rust has prematurely worn out the clutch disc. I know that the disc on my Lark was rusted to the flywheel when I first tried to move the car under its own power; it broke loose using the starter motor, but was completely worn out after less than 1K miles after. My theory is that the rust abrades the friction lining more so than would a smooth iron surface.

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

mbstude
09-09-2006, 06:54 PM
quote:I'm curently driving a 2004 Chevy Colorado Z71 crew, but I think when I pay it off I will sell it and build myself a orange studebaker pickup!

Better start looking now, there aren't that many of them out there! :D

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3.jpg

Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 06:54 PM
Sounds like that could be it. I just pulled the car around after the pics and reverse is easy and first gear felt ok this time. I'm going out now to adjust the clutch and take it for a spin, crossing my fingers. I will give it a good test out on the highway.
Don

Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 07:02 PM
Not many I have come across let alone orange pickups! I have seen some in junk yards, but wow what a project they would be.

Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

mbstude
09-09-2006, 07:03 PM
Here's some pics I just took from the shop. I took a pic of every car, except for the 57 Silver Hawk and my 63 Daytona, as they are inside and I couldn't get a decent pic of them. I then cranked up my (or, what used to be mine) 51 flat bed dump truck and took some pics of it next to the Scotsman. Both were at idle when I took the pics.
Enjoy!
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/553973866RnkxdL

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mbstude
09-09-2006, 07:08 PM
The story of my truck:

It's lived in the same county since the day ot was bought new, where it still is today. It was bought new by a Mr. Ryles who was a Farmall tractor mechanic. He used the truck in his business, going out into the fiends repairing tractors.
Then one day on 1974, he blew a radiator hose and ran it hot. He had the truck towed back to his barn where he preceeded to remove the engine and rebuild it. Once he finished, he laid the engine in the bed of the truck and put the truck in his barn.
It sat in that same spot until 1994, when my uncle Mitchel bought it. He reinstalled the engine (169 C.I. flat head 6) and painted it Omaha Orange from it's original color of Maui Blue.
He drove it for a while, until he decided to build a house. He traded it to my uncle James for some building materials. A few years later, James decided to get married so he sold the truck to my grandad.
This past April, I won a 51 Studebaker dump truck in a raffle. My grandad wanted the dump truck, so I traded him even. Now, I have a nice, solid, original Studebaker pickup; and I love it.
So, other than 1 repaint and an engine rebuild, it's all original and it's never been apart. It has 50,670 or so original miles.


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Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 07:09 PM
I like the '56 2-door you have. Could I get some good interior shots some time. I want to use the pics to aid in my resteration of the interior in my '56. What year is the little 30's coup from? I love it and I want one to place my extra 289 in.

Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

mbstude
09-09-2006, 07:14 PM
I can get you some decent pics of that 56 Champ two door probably tomorrow. The coupe is a 1939 Plymouth shell. It has no floors or anything, just an old hull.

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Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 07:26 PM
Great story about your truck! It is cool to know the history of a car or truck.

My 1953 was bought back in the 60's by a guy that wanted to race something, but he found a coup to race and then sold the '53 to the guy I bought it from. It had a 6 in it and he siad it was very poor on power so it came out and a 1951 232 went in. He had fun street racing it and then it became a family car up to the time he parked it for something newer. It sat in a field rusting sence 1978 and then I bought it back in 2003. No floor, so a friend and I welded ne sheet in from the firewall to the rear seat riser and then patched several other spots. I have painted the interior with Rustolium and used POR 15 on the floor. Me and a friend did the seats and I just finished the electrical. The car will be back on the road next year tearing up the streets of Bemidji like it did back in the 60's. I have also rebuilt the carb and replaced the heads with NOS 232 heads from Studebaker International. I ported the exhaust and used nos intake valves, new exhaust valves and instaled new springs. The rockers I had ground and my friend at the machine shop looked everything over before I placed the new heads back on the engine. I plan to use the 289 exhaust manifolds with duel pipes and glass packs.
Don

Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

mbstude
09-09-2006, 07:32 PM
Cool! That's gonna be one sweet little Champ when you get through with it!
And yes, it is good to know the history of an old car or truck. Especially one as solid and rare as this one. :) Last I heard, there were only about 40 or so Scotsman pickups known in any condition. (They only made them in 58-59.)

We have 4...
Mine's the nicest. My grandad has 2 others, one is rotted beyond repair and is a cross between a Scotsman and a 53 2R5 pickup. The other is a stripped down parts truck. Only thing left of it is the frame, cab, and the 8 ft. bed. (which is really nice, BTW)
The 4th truck is ownde by my aunt, and needs a full restoration.

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Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 08:00 PM
I will keep my eyes open in the junkyards for a Scotsman and buy it up if I find one. If you ever decide to sell any of yours let me know! I want a pickup bad now after seing yours. I want it for a daily driver, but it needs a good undercoat if I will be driving it during the MN winter.

Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

mbstude
09-09-2006, 08:06 PM
I don't think any of ours will be going anywhere anytime soon. Most of our pickups are pretty rusty except mine. :D And I do drive mine daily.

This is a good place to start though.

Stude truck site: http://studetrucks.tripod.com/

Stude truck talk: http://www.network54.com/Forum/23885/

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Donald Erickson
09-09-2006, 08:08 PM
Sounds good,
Talk to you tomarow!:D

Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

Donald Erickson
09-10-2006, 12:39 PM
I played with the adjustment and was able to bring the peddel closer to the floor. It works alot smoother!:D I went out and gave it some gas and I was pushed back into my seat without delay so the clutch should be fine.:D
Thanks very much for all the advice!
Don

Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

N8N
09-10-2006, 12:48 PM
Donald,

try it in high gear, that will put the most torque load on the clutch. if it passes that test, then drive happy and don't worry about it any more.

good luck,

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

mbstude
09-10-2006, 06:16 PM
Here's some crummy pictures of Dad's 56 Champ interior. This is about as good as I could do without pulling it out of the carport.
Hope this helps! http://community.webshots.com/album/554005612GVfCdA

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Donald Erickson
09-11-2006, 08:48 PM
Interior looks great! The arm rests must be custom, interesting look. I think I will do my seats like that, but in red and white.

I will be taking my 1956 out on the highway Thursday and I will be sure to give that clutch the full test. I started working on the OD and digging in a wire desaster. [xx(]. half is the old, half is new and half of the wires dead end. All the wire goes in the garbage on Friday![}:)] I have my next project lined up! I can't even touch the defrost without a nice ZAP POP POW! [:0]

Thanks again,
Don


Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

mbstude
09-12-2006, 08:08 AM
Actually, those arm rests are correct for a '56 Studebaker. The sedans and coupes (Hawk models) had them as well. The interior was already done when we got the car, and the seats are the most comfortable seats that I think Studebaker ever used. [8D]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3-1.jpg

Donald Erickson
09-13-2006, 06:05 AM
I know the seats on my 1953 are very comfortable. I have some old seats I pulled out of a 1957 Champion 4-door that I will use in my 1956. On the 57 seats I found that they started with that burlap, then went to cotton bading, then some 1/2 inch foam, and then the seat covers. Thats alot of comfort all placed on springs. I took the arm rests off of the 1957 and plan to use them on the 1956 if I can make them look correct. How is the Scotsman doing? We should start a private chat! :)
Don

Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

mbstude
09-13-2006, 09:03 AM
The Scotsman's doing fine. I drive it to school everyday. I'm also going to drive it to the beach this weekend (about 2 hours, one way) for our bi-monthly chapter meeting. I'll be in a convoy with a '63 Hawk, possibly a '62 Cruiser, and my grandparent's Avanti II. I think the truck will do just fine. It will be the only 6 banger Stude. [:0] But I'll bet my gas bill will be less than everyone else's! :D
After the meeting, we're gonna go to a race track and make a lap. Rumor has it that a 56 Golden Hawk (352 V8 with OD trans) will be there, and maybe I can beg enough for another drive. I sure enjoyed it last time! [:p]
And if I'm really lucky, maybe Mr. Jeff Rice will stop by, I think he's gonna be joining our chapter. [8D]

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Donald Erickson
09-13-2006, 06:53 PM
6 bangers are ok with me! I love the old inline engines and the sound they make with a good exhaust. :). I have an inline in my Colorado, my GMC, and I had one in my X Ford. My Grandfather drove a Studebaker in the early 50's that had a 6 in it and he loved it. He was going to an army base in Texas with a friend and they agreed on trading the task of driving every tank. It was not long before they had to change it to every half of a tank. That was his second Studebaker, he also had about a 1940 2-door coup before he traded on a 1951(?)4-door that may have saved his life. I have viewed the pics from after that reck and it did not look good.:( His parents also drove Studebakers in the 30's on up into the 50's and now I have brought Studebaker back into the family. Have you done any hop up stuff to your engine?
Don

Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

Donald Erickson
09-13-2006, 06:58 PM
How many Golden Hawks did they make? I have not yet come across one that was a "Golden Hawk". I did not know that Studebaker made an engine that big! Have fun at the track, wish I could go!

Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

mbstude
09-14-2006, 08:41 AM
I've not done anything to the engine in my truck. It's the original 170 ci flat head 6 engine and I love it. It has no hop up stuff. (yet...) I did put a Cherry Bomb muffler on it when I redone the exhaust. [:p]
I'm not sure how many 56 Golden Hawks were built, but the 56 Golden Hawk was the only Studebaker to ever have a Packard 352 installed. They only made the Golden Hawks from 56-58, and in 57-58 they had supercharged Studebaker 289's. Don't worry, if Mr. curtis makes it, I'll get plenty of pics of it. :D

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mbstude
09-14-2006, 08:48 AM
Here's a pic of Mr. Curtis' 56 Golden Hawk. I'll get a few more Saturday.

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studegary
09-14-2006, 02:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by Donald Erickson

How many Golden Hawks did they make? I have not yet come across one that was a "Golden Hawk". I did not know that Studebaker made an engine that big! Have fun at the track, wish I could go!

Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg


Golden Hawk production;
1956 - 4071,
1957 - 4356,
1958 - 878.
The '56 has a 352 cubic inch Packard. The '57-'58 have supercharged Studebaker 289s.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

Donald Erickson
09-14-2006, 04:16 PM
Looking at the production numbers makes me think that I will not have one for some time, but that is ok. That is a nice car, Mr. Curtis is one lucky guy. I have a 289 engine that I'm holding on to for the day I find something to place it in, maybe a small pickup.

The Scotsman must sound great with that muffler. My 1956 259 with duel exhaust and cherry bombs sounds good at any RPM.

I'm wanting to know more about a 1959 Deluxe pickup! Sounds cool![8D]
Don


Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

mbstude
09-15-2006, 09:04 AM
Mr. Curtis has quite a few more cool cars. The '56 Golden Hawk is his only Stude, but he also has a few cool Mopars.
When me and another Stude guy I was visiting went to see him, he took us for a ride in the 56 Hawk, had it pegged at a little over 100 mph. Then I got to drive. As I shifted to 2nd gear, he leaned over and mashed my foot to the froor with his. I'm not complaing. :D His mother bought the car in the '80's for sentimental reasons because they had one like it in the early '60's. He got it a couple of years ago, and now that he's retired, he's redoing it. He has new Phantom interior, Fairborn axles, and a lot of other goodies.
As far as his Mopars go, he has a '67 Charger with a factory installed 426 Hemi. I got to ride in that one too. I didn't notice how fast we went in that one, I was stuck to the back of the seat the whole time. [:p] He and his dad bought that one in '70 for $1300.00. [:0] It's all original except for the seats have been recovered.
He also still has his first car, a '67 Barracuda. He has 2 more of the same. He has a '56 Dodge two door, a '59 Coronet HT, and '60's model Polara convertible, a sweet little '64 Dart convertible, a '51 Dodge two door, and a few more I can't remember. He's looking to expand his collecton with a nice '63 Avanti. :)

Yeah my truck sounds great with the cheery bomb. We have dual exhaust with cherry bombs on our '56 Champion two door. It has the flat head six too. Now it sounds awesome!

The '59 Duluxe PU was the 'upper' model of the PU line. It had more standard things that were optional on the Scotsman; which was the 'cheap' model for '59. The Deluxe trucks were really nice, with two toning and stainless trim avaiable. A guy in Tallahassee has a '59 Deluxe PU that's light blue and white. It's had a recent frame off restoration, and is for sale.


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Donald Erickson
09-17-2006, 12:32 PM
Mr. Curtis placed a nice big :D on you face! Sounds like you guys had a blast. Glad he has found interest in Studebaker. I'm much happier now that I have become a Studebaker guy!:)

I have helped a friend of mine out on his stuff before and he is a Mopar man. Helped him out with his 1968 Charger with a 383. He also has a 1939 Plymouth P8 coup that was pulled out of the woods a couple years back. He is thinking about placing a 318 in it, but I think he will stay with the inline 6. He also has a 1968 Fairlane fastback with a 302 that I would love to have! Non of his stuff runs so I have not been able to drive anything.:( The P8 coup has no underside like yours, but has most all of it's parts.

Gary L. has a 1959 Delux pickup, I see it listed under his production number message he posted on the 14th.

I have decided on going with one of those M series trucks. I know where one is and I could maybe work out a trade with my 1948 Ford 1 ton. The guy has an old junk yard that is more of a private yard and he has mostly IHC trucks from the 40's and 50's with a few Fords, Chevys, and a couple Studebakers. He was an ice road trucker up north for many years.

I was thinking of placing the drive train from the 1957 parts car with my available 289 into the M series truck. I may need to beef up the frame and modify the fire wall and inner fenders, but I think it may work. I usualy don't like cutting things up like that, but this truck is not in very good shape to begin with and it will be a daily driver. The 1957 Champ had the letters "TT" on the trunk, is that the Twin Traction thing?
Don



Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

mbstude
09-17-2006, 12:45 PM
Go for that M truck! Those are pretty cool! And a 289 would make a nice one. Get some pics of those trucks, I'd love to see 'em.

Yes, TT would mean Twin Traction; or 'Posi-Trac' for other makes.

StudeGary's '59 is not a stock truck, and was on ebay not long ago. It's a nice truck, but not stock.

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Donald Erickson
09-18-2006, 07:00 PM
I will get pics maybe Thursday if I go Stude hunting. I have been working and doing the school thing so time in Stude Land has been cut short.:( How is school going for you?

Let me know if you have any ideas for the M truck. I have been racking the noodle over stuff. 3-speed with OD, Studebaker Automatic, something from another make, floor shift or tree, stock front axel or custom, truck springs or car, and this went on all night long. [|)]

How is your Daytona comming along? I will take pics of one that is parked next to the 1957 parts car when I go back. Cheap parts if you need any! Filled the back of my Colorado for $50.:D

Don







Donald Erickson
Bemidji, MN
1953 Champion (project)
1956 Commander (driver)http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k77/DonaldErickson/mystudes_0015.jpg

mbstude
09-19-2006, 08:47 AM
I'm doing the school thing too. lol. I'm doing fine right now.

I've not touched the Daytona in a while. Last weekend was our chapter meeting, and this weekend Jeff Rice (DEEPNHOCK) has invited me to help him unpack. We'll see...

I'll email you privately so we don't keep reviving this old thread.

:)


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