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dynolou2
06-07-2007, 10:01 PM
So you got the hubcaps that I was sole bidder on until a half until the auction end hope you enjoy them. Unfortunatly like most people I have to work to support my hobby, I can't sit infront of the computer waiting for the auction to end , to keep bidding until you top my bid. Lou

Dick Steinkamp
06-07-2007, 10:05 PM
You could have either entered a higher proxy bid which may have out bid the sniper, OR, better yet, you could have used a service like this.

https://esnipe10.esnipe.com/

Either way you wouldn't have had to sit in front of the computer waiting for the auction to end.

(BTW, I wasn't a bidder on the hubcaps)


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Chris Pile
06-07-2007, 10:24 PM
I bid what I want to pay, and if someone wants it worse - oh, well.

I'm not gonna get an ulcer bidding in fifty cent increments trying to win something, and then hit the roof when they snipe me 5 seconds from the end of the auction.

Chris Pile
The Studebaker Special
Midway Chapter SDC

Guido
06-07-2007, 10:25 PM
I do not get the gist of this post or who it is directed to. As Dick said, if you wanted the item use e-bay's proxy bid service or snipe it at the end via one of those providers. I think it is unfair to be mad if our economic model worked and the person that was willing to pay the most actually won the item.

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Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Dwain G.
06-07-2007, 10:39 PM
Losing to a snipe bid never makes me happy, but REALLY irks me is waiting to bid near the end and then forgetting to do it!!!

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gordr
06-07-2007, 10:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by dynolou2

So you got the hubcaps that I was sole bidder on until a half until the auction end hope you enjoy them. Unfortunatly like most people I have to work to support my hobby, I can't sit infront of the computer waiting for the auction to end , to keep bidding until you top my bid. Lou


Lou, evidently you have a faulty understanding about how eBay's proxy bidding service works.

If you want something really badly, figure out the top dollar you are willing to pay, set that as your proxy bid, and sleep on it. If you are going to get the item for your top $$$, you're going to get it. If someone else wants it worse than you do, then you lose out. Snipe bidding is primarily used by people buying speculatively; they enter a snipe bid in hopes that the item doesn't attract many bids during the course of the auction, so that maybe they can snipe it cheap in the final seconds. And if you use a snipe service, like Dick linked to, it's all automatic, you need not sit in front of the computer.

Can I suggest that you sign on with a snipe bidding service, and try it out on a couple of cheap items just so that you can get comfortable with the concept? I've not used a snipe service myself. I just set my bid at the top dollar I feel I want to pay, and if I get lucky, I get lucky. If not, I don't lose sleep over it.

What sort of hubcaps do you need? I have a few strays around here, and if I have what you need, I won't hold you to ransom for them.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

bams50
06-07-2007, 10:48 PM
What a silly little comment!! Come on, guys, don't get upset; he can't be serious... nobody is really that clueless[:I]

I'm sure "Lou" realizes how auctions work, and he's just mad at himself for not bidding enough- or not educating himself on what they might be worth.

I snipe items occasionally; e-snipe works great. But that's mostly for the sport of it. With eBay's proxy bidding, all I have to do is figure out my maximum bid, and just place it! Ebay, and the free market, take care of the rest.

Lou, you may want to do a snipe bid of your own- on a box of tissues:D

Better luck next time.

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
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vegas paul
06-07-2007, 10:58 PM
bams50 hit the nail on the head! It is classic free-market economics. Whenever the question is asked (of anything) "What's it worth?" The answer should always be "What ever price the market will bear." The free market is a wonderful thing... if left unto itself without interference. OK I'm done with my rant.

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dynolou2
06-08-2007, 01:36 AM
There were no bids on that item other than mine till a half hour to close if they wanted it that bad why didn't bid in the begining. Guess I should have set my maximum bid for the hubcaps at $ 100.00 to see if they were willing to spend that much. I wouldn't spend that much for them period.

Swifster
06-08-2007, 01:47 AM
No, but if you are willing to pay $50, put in that amount. Your bid will automatically adjust as others bid up to that amount.

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bams50
06-08-2007, 06:25 AM
So let's see: You found this site, went to the forum, read the instructions, registered, and logged on for the sole purpose of coming to a group of good folks and and whining to and at them when no one did ANYTHING wrong?

In the future, if you see something on eBay you want, let us know and we'll all agree to not bid because YOU want it- or at least not bid within the last 35 minutes... heck, maybe eBay can tag items to say, "Do not bid on this- Lou wants it"!

I work full time, plus run a business with 2 locations and 4 employees. I almost NEVER make my final bid on something I want till the last few minutes! If I'm going to be busy when the item ends, I just make my highest bid as close to the end as possible; if it's meant to be, it'll be mine. If I REALLY don't want to lose the item, I adjust my max amount higher! Ebay only uses enough of my max to make me the high bidder, until that max is reached...

Obviously you're mad at yourself for not bidding enough on something you wanted; but taking your frustration with yourself out on others who have done nothing wrong- or to you- is WAY out of line[}:)]

Hope you feel better about yourself soon.

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
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Guido
06-08-2007, 07:28 AM
quote:Originally posted by dynolou2

There were no bids on that item other than mine till a half hour to close if they wanted it that bad why didn't bid in the begining. Guess I should have set my maximum bid for the hubcaps at $ 100.00 to see if they were willing to spend that much. I wouldn't spend that much for them period.

You have to remember that this is an auction that runs for a specific period of time and people are free to bid at any point priro to it closing. There is nothing that dictates when people have to bid, personally I will often place a small opening bid to see what happens and then set a snipe bid at the end. I see no point in raising the bid (and interest) while the auction is running. There are a group of us that are always looking for Studebaker STP cans and I think we all just wait to the end now and try to snipe each other.

If you wouldn't spend $100.00 for them, then what is the issue? Nobody is going to give you something just because you want it, the free market will play out and it will sell to the highest bidder. Next time, bid high and don't whine if you lose.

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

bonehead007
06-08-2007, 07:57 AM
I have Auction Sentry and use that when I don't have time to stare at the screen. Don't forget, in case anyone has forgotten, Studebaker has been out of business almost half a century and I beleive they've stopped making parts also so, its a free for all when it comes to parts....The rarer the part, the more $$$$$$$$..

Just curious, what type of hubcaps were they ?? Avanti, Lark.....??

DEEPNHOCK
06-08-2007, 08:13 AM
I travel a lot and cannot set by a plastic box waiting for it to tell me what to do. Neither should you.
What you should do is put your max amount in and bid that.
It will only register the minimum amount over whatever bid is out there.
So, if your $50 bid was the only one there, and the opening price was $1.00 with $1.00 bid increments, your bid would be $2.00 and anyone else that went to bid on it would be told they were outbid...until your $50 level was surpassed.
So if a snipe program guy had a snipe bid in at $100, you'd get outbid at $51.
But you would have been outbid anyways.
If you were trying to snag the hubcaps cheap...
Didn't work.
So learn from it and do it differently next time.

Shoot, I am so bad at snipe bid 'estimating' that I just put my maximum bid out there and let it ride.... So what if a snipe guy gets it at the last minute... He would have gotten it anyways, and if I was glued to the monitor, all I would have lost is some sleep.
Last time I snipe bid something at $1750... I was outsnipebid at $3750[:0] Yep... I know my values pretty well!;)
Don't sweat the small stuff....
Jeff[8D]




quote:Originally posted by dynolou2

There were no bids on that item other than mine till a half hour to close if they wanted it that bad why didn't bid in the begining. Guess I should have set my maximum bid for the hubcaps at $ 100.00 to see if they were willing to spend that much. I wouldn't spend that much for them period.


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John Kirchhoff
06-08-2007, 10:09 AM
Yes Lou, I admit it's annoying but I guess it all boils down to how bad a person wants something. Vegas paul made a good point about something being worth whatever the market will bear...I fully agree with him but I go one step further, what's it worth to me? Remember the pet rock or better yet, the Beanie Baby craze? Gee, women were stampeding trying to get to a fresh order and I know a couple that even stalked the UPS man, waiting to see when he delivered the order to the store. The market may have set a high price for those dumb things but they were worthless to me.

Just don't fall into the trap some people do and be so intent on getting something that you pay whatever it takes to beat out the other guy. I think that's called "When two fools meet". I've seen guys pay $14 for a used, bent up fence panel when they could have bought a brand new one for $12.

So it all boils down to what everyone else has been saying, what's it worth to you? And consider that apparently it was worth more to the other guy. As a bidder you can complain all you want, but had you been the seller I doubt you'd be fussing right now.

Guido
06-08-2007, 12:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by John Kirchhoff The market may have set a high price for those dumb things but they were worthless to me.
Let us not forget the market for tulip bulbs in the 1600's and what happened when the bottom dropped out.

Jeff, one clarification on your post. If the opening amount was $1.00 then the lone bidder's cost would be the $1.00 amount, not $2.00 as in your example.

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

bonehead007
06-08-2007, 12:42 PM
Another thing I do is if theres a Studebaker part on Ebay I need, I see first if Sasco, Studebaker- Int, etc..sell/have the same part..in most cases if they do its cheaper than Ebay...

JDP
06-08-2007, 12:51 PM
Posted:

"There were no bids on that item other than mine till a half hour to close if they wanted it that bad why didn't bid in the begining."

You don't bid in the beginning because you might get outbid, then have to bid again, and again. I just set my snipe program on a item I want and at the highest price I'm willing to pay. It'll bid in the last 4 seconds, and if I'm high bidder, there is no time to outbid me. If you are outbid, by a sniper or otherwise, you were just beat fair and square by someone willing to pay more then you were.

JDP/Maryland


63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
58 Starlight
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

bonehead007
06-08-2007, 01:12 PM
I have a dumb question ..What is it he's complaining about ????? And if you won it and he lost, oh well, thats what Ebay is about..goes to the highest bidder..better luck next time...

showbizkid
06-08-2007, 01:14 PM
I have a better question. What's this doing in the Tech forum? [xx(]


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rangerrick
06-08-2007, 02:25 PM
DITTO to what everyone has said here!!! Who the hell are you Lou that you should come here, post in the wrong forum and blame one of us here for sniping you on a set of Hubcaps on Ebay???

Get a life and a clue, nothing against Ebay rules or the law to wait and bid at the last minute!!! Hell I've been sniped more than once and havent went to a website forum accuseing anyone for doing it! I don't care if you do own a Studebaker, either find a better attitude or somewhere else to post your frustrations; like maybe a professionals couch![B)]

Where the hills is Shingletown anyway???
Regards,
Rick

JBOYLE
06-08-2007, 05:46 PM
ebay is like life...win some, lose some.:D

I've won a couple of things by last second bids (all done by hand..not a program), and lost a few too.
Bottom line, if you want something bad enough, put a large maximum bid on it.
Don't be a cheapskate if you really want/need an item.

If you don't..then you didn't want or need it bad enough...and don't gripe about it.

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1914 Stutz Bearcat
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Washington State

rrausch
06-09-2007, 11:54 PM
Well, I am a sniper and a pretty good one. But even I got beat out once by a more determined sniper with only 3 seconds left on the ebay clock! That guy must have been a speed typist!!

The last thing I sniped was a top pump and a pair of top cylinders for my '53 convertible. (I needed them) The seller hadn't listed them very well, and he had crummy photographs but I took a chance and as luck would have it I was going to be at home when the auction ended. Unfortunately another sniper and I collided in the last 5 seconds of the auction, but I wanted the pump & cylinders more than he did. That's what it boils down to--whoever wants it badly enough will enter a high dollar amount. My high bid was about $60 higher than my closing bid--I really wanted them. But the other sniper bumped the price up another $100.


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1995 Dodge/Cummins Pickup, 250 HP, 620 Ft. Lbs. of Torque, ATS trans.

stude freak
06-10-2007, 04:21 AM
Well possibly it might not have been a stude guy .Maybe a brand X guy wanting to make his vehicle look better.Go gripe on their forums too .lol


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