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Swifster
05-28-2007, 10:50 PM
How much did the Avanti weigh compared to a Lark? My title shows the weight of my '64 Daytona to be an even 3200 pounds. As Avanti's were made of fiberglass, is it reasonable to assume they weighed less, of was the longer list of standard equipment enough to offset any benefit of the fiberglass?

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

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Mark57
05-28-2007, 11:00 PM
According to Langworth's book "Studebaker, the Postwar Years", in 1963 a Lark weighed from 2650 lbs. (Std. 2 dr. sdn -6 cyl) up to 3065 lbs. for a Cruiser model. Wagons more obviously. Avanti's are in at 3,140 lbs.

Similar comparisons for 1964 with all cars weighing a bit more than '63.:)

Mark57
05-28-2007, 11:00 PM
According to Langworth's book "Studebaker, the Postwar Years", in 1963 a Lark weighed from 2650 lbs. (Std. 2 dr. sdn -6 cyl) up to 3065 lbs. for a Cruiser model. Wagons more obviously. Avanti's are in at 3,140 lbs.

Similar comparisons for 1964 with all cars weighing a bit more than '63.:)

Thomas63R2
05-28-2007, 11:53 PM
Although Studebaker itself is guilty of publishing a 3,140 lb weight for the Avanti - that was just what engineering had projected, the reality is the Avanti ended up considerably heavier.

My '63 Avanti R2 4 speed power steering, brakes, windows, and wire wheels weighed in at 3,630 lbs with a full tank of gas. Of course an Avanti stipped down to the basics: three speed manual, no power steering or anything else will weigh in a bit less - but not 400 lbs less. I also checked my front to rear weight distribution; at just over 2100 lbs on the front it is 58% front.

Maybe the engineering department "forgot" to add the 175 lb weight of the X brace girder used to stiffen up the Lark frame.

Thomas

New Stude guy! Long time hot rodder
'63 Avanti R2 4 speed with interesting plans

Thomas63R2
05-28-2007, 11:53 PM
Although Studebaker itself is guilty of publishing a 3,140 lb weight for the Avanti - that was just what engineering had projected, the reality is the Avanti ended up considerably heavier.

My '63 Avanti R2 4 speed power steering, brakes, windows, and wire wheels weighed in at 3,630 lbs with a full tank of gas. Of course an Avanti stipped down to the basics: three speed manual, no power steering or anything else will weigh in a bit less - but not 400 lbs less. I also checked my front to rear weight distribution; at just over 2100 lbs on the front it is 58% front.

Maybe the engineering department "forgot" to add the 175 lb weight of the X brace girder used to stiffen up the Lark frame.

Thomas

New Stude guy! Long time hot rodder
'63 Avanti R2 4 speed with interesting plans

Alan
05-28-2007, 11:58 PM
And Tom, remember those weights are shipping weights. As many cars as Stude shiped it saved them a few bucks.

Alan
05-28-2007, 11:58 PM
And Tom, remember those weights are shipping weights. As many cars as Stude shiped it saved them a few bucks.

am not r2
05-29-2007, 09:43 AM
I just had mine weighed. 64 daytona 2dr ht, pb, ps, no spare or jack, empty trunk, full tank, 3400lbs.plus or minus 5 lbs. at a truck stop with cat scales.
for what it's worth

64 Daytona HT
Mohawk Trails Chapter SDC

am not r2
05-29-2007, 09:43 AM
I just had mine weighed. 64 daytona 2dr ht, pb, ps, no spare or jack, empty trunk, full tank, 3400lbs.plus or minus 5 lbs. at a truck stop with cat scales.
for what it's worth

64 Daytona HT
Mohawk Trails Chapter SDC

Swifster
05-29-2007, 10:05 AM
Thanks guys! They're both a little heavier than I thought.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

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Swifster
05-29-2007, 10:05 AM
Thanks guys! They're both a little heavier than I thought.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

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DEEPNHOCK
05-29-2007, 10:10 AM
Generally speaking... OE street fiberglass weighs as much as, and sometimes more, than sheet metal.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by Swifster

How much did the Avanti weigh compared to a Lark? My title shows the weight of my '64 Daytona to be an even 3200 pounds. As Avanti's were made of fiberglass, is it reasonable to assume they weighed less, of was the longer list of standard equipment enough to offset any benefit of the fiberglass?

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/1965_Studebaker_Commander_front198x.jpg

DEEPNHOCK
05-29-2007, 10:10 AM
Generally speaking... OE street fiberglass weighs as much as, and sometimes more, than sheet metal.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by Swifster

How much did the Avanti weigh compared to a Lark? My title shows the weight of my '64 Daytona to be an even 3200 pounds. As Avanti's were made of fiberglass, is it reasonable to assume they weighed less, of was the longer list of standard equipment enough to offset any benefit of the fiberglass?

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/1965_Studebaker_Commander_front198x.jpg

JBOYLE
05-29-2007, 12:28 PM
I went up to the transfer station and weighed my 63 R1 Avanti (with all options: Air, Auto, PS, HD springs, TT, etc) and a full tank of gas...it came out at 3510.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
05-29-2007, 12:28 PM
I went up to the transfer station and weighed my 63 R1 Avanti (with all options: Air, Auto, PS, HD springs, TT, etc) and a full tank of gas...it came out at 3510.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

PlainBrownR2
05-30-2007, 04:20 AM
For me it would be safe to assume that since fiberglass is laid down in a fashion similar to papier mache'(spelling), where sheets of the material are layered on top of each other and then glued down, the piece would come out a little heavier than a single steel molding. In the case of the Avanti, where the majority of the panels are fiberglass, it would start adding up. Of course we have the variables, how many layers the fiberglass has, how thin or thick the gauge of metal is being used, so on and so forth. Fudgie if only the Avanti had the mass produced tech of carbon fiber in the day at a reasonable price for the material(not a cheap material to get ahold in mass quantity, particularly with the worldwide shortage) :).


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]

PlainBrownR2
05-30-2007, 04:20 AM
For me it would be safe to assume that since fiberglass is laid down in a fashion similar to papier mache'(spelling), where sheets of the material are layered on top of each other and then glued down, the piece would come out a little heavier than a single steel molding. In the case of the Avanti, where the majority of the panels are fiberglass, it would start adding up. Of course we have the variables, how many layers the fiberglass has, how thin or thick the gauge of metal is being used, so on and so forth. Fudgie if only the Avanti had the mass produced tech of carbon fiber in the day at a reasonable price for the material(not a cheap material to get ahold in mass quantity, particularly with the worldwide shortage) :).


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]

raprice
05-30-2007, 05:27 PM
As Thomas stated, the x-frame that Avanti used is the same frame as the Lark convertible. Of course, with the increased stiffness comes a little more weight.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

raprice
05-30-2007, 05:27 PM
As Thomas stated, the x-frame that Avanti used is the same frame as the Lark convertible. Of course, with the increased stiffness comes a little more weight.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

Swifster
05-30-2007, 11:23 PM
I have to admit that I forgot about the cross member.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/1965_Studebaker_Commander_front198x.jpg

Swifster
05-30-2007, 11:23 PM
I have to admit that I forgot about the cross member.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/1965_Studebaker_Commander_front198x.jpg