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studeclunker
05-19-2007, 03:24 PM
My '62 Champ's steering has gotten to the point of being dangerous. Where I live, there's a whole new meaning to that too!
I don't have the shop manuals for this one and would like to know how to adjust the toe and camber. The wheels are cambered and toed out so badly that it's causing problems.

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studeclunker
05-19-2007, 07:18 PM
Well, you all are going to have to forgive my ignorance of terms. I got under the old fellow and started monkeying around. Looks like the bar that links the two front wheels together was bent... badly. So I used a winch and jack and bent it straighter. Then I loosened the clamps at each end and adjusted the toe out to a slight toe in. Then I tightened hub nuts. The right side was quite loose.

Ed is doing much better now. the steering is still a bit dicey, but much more acceptable. Anyone else have any ideas? There's obviously something I've missed.

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Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Mark57
05-19-2007, 08:00 PM
Clunk,
I'll send you an e-mail shortly, I have scanned the 3 pages from the Stude Truck shop manual that deal with front end alignment.

Mark

studeclunker
05-19-2007, 08:18 PM
thanks Mark. This has been a problem with this truck for some time. Just a case of many years of no maintenance, I guess.

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Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Mark57
05-19-2007, 08:21 PM
Excellent, glad I could help.:)

Mark

studeclunker
05-19-2007, 08:29 PM
I'm not sure these pages should be placed here. They're pretty big. Thanks for sending them, Mike.

Here's the first page as a test:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/technical/Page1.jpg

Okay, the preview came out all right. Let's see what it looks like posted. I'll have to remnove my sig line to make this easier to load...;)

studeclunker
05-19-2007, 08:30 PM
Page two:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/technical/Page2.jpg

studeclunker
05-19-2007, 08:32 PM
page three:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/technical/Page3.jpg

hank63
05-20-2007, 08:54 AM
Not much point in doing a wheel alignment if you have worn steering and/or suspension components. Fix those first if needed.
Then don't overlook the rear axle. If it's not reasonably square to the chassis, you end up with "crabbing", the result of which is that you are permanently compensating by turning the steering wheel a bit.
/H

Swifster
05-20-2007, 01:37 PM
Ron, considering the 'E' ticket ride you and Ed went on, I'd start at the base. Somewhere in the manual should be the frame specs/demensions. I'd make sure the frame is straight. All you should need is a tape measure and an extra set of hands to hold one end. Measure side to side and make sure the measurements from both sides are equal. You can rebuild the entire truck, but if the frame isn't square, the rest of the truck won't be either.

If the drag links are bent, replace them. Once bent, there is no way to straighten these the way they should be. I'd hate to here from someone else that you took another ride down a hill again :(.

I'd suggest doing the same with the wagon. It may have been an optical allusion, but the rear suspension looked like it shifted to the right side.



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Tom - Valrico, FL

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studeclunker
05-20-2007, 04:03 PM
Thanks Tom. I'll look into that. The front suspension on the truck has shifted once before. I fixed it and didn't do any measurements. Perhaps that's what the problem is now. After re-bending the 'drag link' I've found the steering to be much improved. I have another Champ here and will see about switching parts.

This measurement you are speaking about, is it from front hub to rear? Are you talking about measuring the frame?

By the by; the instability is nearly gone now. There's only a tendency to over-steer to the right remaining.


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Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?