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DilloCrafter
09-05-2006, 11:48 AM
NOTE: This thread is to document the progress of repainting and installing a rebuilt 1957 truck engine that will go into my 1955 truck. I'll share my observations on POR-15 engine paint and their "system" for applying it. Click on the thumbnail size images for the larger view. I am using thumbnails to help out those using dial-up modems.

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Some of you may remember the horror story of my rebuilt Champion Six motor that was dropped on its end by a freight company back in February of this year. Well, after a couple of months of haggling with the claims department and providing all kinds of detailed documentation, they authorized the rebuilder to re-use any good parts, get whatever new parts were needed, and start over.

Several months later, the engine has now arrived at my house, and waits in the garage for a nice red paint job, like the ones Bill Cathcart puts on his Champion rebuilds:
http://www.cathcartsstudebaker.com

Mine will look like the one on his home page, with Offenhauser dual intake, and Cathcart's handmade dual exhaust headers. Only difference is the head. Wish I could afford a shiny finned aluminum head, but my powdercoated "near chrome" cast iron head looks pretty good, although "near shiny gray" is a better description of the color.

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-ready-for-paint-left.JPG[/img=left] (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-ready-for-paint-left.JPG) Click image for a larger view

[img]http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-ready-for-paint-right.JPG (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-ready-for-paint-right.JPG)


I especially want to thank our sometimes forum poster, Bunzard, for telling me about the rebuilder in Cheyenne Wyoming, and for helping get it to him, and finally for helping get it bolted to a pallet and crated. This was a valuable step that was done differently the first time, which I believe contributed to the catastrophe.

In a few weeks or a month, when it finally gets into my truck, we will have a happy ending, with a six cylinder flathead Champion engine (originally from a 1957 Transtar, according to SN 1E-11304) that has been reportedly dyno'ed at 195 hp, doubling the power of the stock engine. With my rear end changed to 4.09, and the overdrive actuated, I should do just fine on the interstate - maybe drive it to South Bend for next year's meet.

Now, I gotta work on improving the brakes!

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

Roscomacaw
09-05-2006, 12:03 PM
Now THAT'S Good News! Git that damned thing on the road![:p]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Roscomacaw
09-05-2006, 12:03 PM
Now THAT'S Good News! Git that damned thing on the road![:p]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

studeclunker
09-05-2006, 04:06 PM
A thing of beauty is a joy forever! Your engine is as beautiful as it is functional. So if you'll forgive another well worn-isim: Beauty is as beauty does. And your's is.[8D] Don't worry about the finned heads. It's just fine!:D

Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

studeclunker
09-05-2006, 04:06 PM
A thing of beauty is a joy forever! Your engine is as beautiful as it is functional. So if you'll forgive another well worn-isim: Beauty is as beauty does. And your's is.[8D] Don't worry about the finned heads. It's just fine!:D

Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

CHAMP
09-05-2006, 04:15 PM
Real nice engine, love to have one like that in my 48 Champion!:D

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

CHAMP
09-05-2006, 04:15 PM
Real nice engine, love to have one like that in my 48 Champion!:D

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

DilloCrafter
09-05-2006, 04:36 PM
Thanks, guys. But wait, I haven't painted it red yet! More photos to come once it is installed in the truck (or as soon as it's painted).

If it runs as well as it is said to do, I'll probably want to rebuild my tired old one (that is in the truck now) in the same way, and buy a Lark to put it into. It would be "different" to have the same power as a 259 V8 in a Champion flathead six, sitting in the engine compartment of a Lark. Of course, I would only do that if the Lark's engine was not in good shape when I get it.

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

DilloCrafter
09-05-2006, 04:36 PM
Thanks, guys. But wait, I haven't painted it red yet! More photos to come once it is installed in the truck (or as soon as it's painted).

If it runs as well as it is said to do, I'll probably want to rebuild my tired old one (that is in the truck now) in the same way, and buy a Lark to put it into. It would be "different" to have the same power as a 259 V8 in a Champion flathead six, sitting in the engine compartment of a Lark. Of course, I would only do that if the Lark's engine was not in good shape when I get it.

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

Kdancy
09-05-2006, 04:49 PM
Dillo -- What mods were made to it to get the HP increase ?
Nice --

53commander HDTP
53 Champion HDTP
61 Cursed Purple Hawk
64 Champ long bed V8
64 GT

Kdancy
09-05-2006, 04:49 PM
Dillo -- What mods were made to it to get the HP increase ?
Nice --

53commander HDTP
53 Champion HDTP
61 Cursed Purple Hawk
64 Champ long bed V8
64 GT

raprice
09-05-2006, 05:00 PM
I can't believe that the engine builder could wring out 195 horses from a Champion engine. No one will believe you've got a Champion engine in that truck. Good luck.
Yea, and red will look great too.
Rog
'59 Lark Regal Hardtop

raprice
09-05-2006, 05:00 PM
I can't believe that the engine builder could wring out 195 horses from a Champion engine. No one will believe you've got a Champion engine in that truck. Good luck.
Yea, and red will look great too.
Rog
'59 Lark Regal Hardtop

DilloCrafter
09-05-2006, 05:04 PM
As far as I know, the modifications include Offenhauser racing cam upgrade, porting and polishing, larger intake valves, and I'm sure a certain amount of overboring the cylinders. It was dyno'ed at 195 h.p. with a single carburetor, but the dual carbs on the Offenhauser dual intake should add another 10-15 h.p., according to Bill Cathcart. Others who have put that dual system on their flatheads have reported a noticeable increase in power.

Bill Cathcart does the same modifications as the rebuilder I used, so you may be able to learn a lot from his website. Look for the link to "Articles", where he has one on modifying a Champion engine:
http://www.cathcartsstudebaker.com

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

DilloCrafter
09-05-2006, 05:04 PM
As far as I know, the modifications include Offenhauser racing cam upgrade, porting and polishing, larger intake valves, and I'm sure a certain amount of overboring the cylinders. It was dyno'ed at 195 h.p. with a single carburetor, but the dual carbs on the Offenhauser dual intake should add another 10-15 h.p., according to Bill Cathcart. Others who have put that dual system on their flatheads have reported a noticeable increase in power.

Bill Cathcart does the same modifications as the rebuilder I used, so you may be able to learn a lot from his website. Look for the link to "Articles", where he has one on modifying a Champion engine:
http://www.cathcartsstudebaker.com

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

imported_n/a
09-06-2006, 02:57 AM
Nice! I just love seeing the obsolete engines that have not only been rebuilt, but upgraded as well, so that they can really be driven.

imported_n/a
09-06-2006, 02:57 AM
Nice! I just love seeing the obsolete engines that have not only been rebuilt, but upgraded as well, so that they can really be driven.

Blue 15G
09-06-2006, 06:24 AM
Looks great. Thank you for sharing your story and posting the pictures. I am very interested in how the truck performs with the engine modifications you listed. My '54 Champion engine is all stock, but when rebuild time comes around I am considering some of the upgrades you mentioned. Please keep us informed on the progress!

Blue 15G
09-06-2006, 06:24 AM
Looks great. Thank you for sharing your story and posting the pictures. I am very interested in how the truck performs with the engine modifications you listed. My '54 Champion engine is all stock, but when rebuild time comes around I am considering some of the upgrades you mentioned. Please keep us informed on the progress!

Kdancy
09-06-2006, 07:18 AM
I have a 53 champion hdtp that I have been considering putting a V-8 in when I rebuild the car. I want AC and didn't think the champion 6 would perform ok with it. Maybe with some performance mods it would be okay ? I do like the "lightness" of the steering with the 6.

Kdancy
09-06-2006, 07:18 AM
I have a 53 champion hdtp that I have been considering putting a V-8 in when I rebuild the car. I want AC and didn't think the champion 6 would perform ok with it. Maybe with some performance mods it would be okay ? I do like the "lightness" of the steering with the 6.

mbstude
09-06-2006, 07:49 AM
Lookin' good! I can't wait 'til I get to drive it! ;) lol...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood-1.jpg

mbstude
09-06-2006, 07:49 AM
Lookin' good! I can't wait 'til I get to drive it! ;) lol...

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood-1.jpg

DilloCrafter
09-06-2006, 08:43 AM
quote:Originally posted by Kdancy

I have a 53 champion hdtp that I have been considering putting a V-8 in when I rebuild the car. I want AC and didn't think the champion 6 would perform ok with it.
Kdancy,
I have heard that the Sanden AC compressor only drags 3 hp from the motor, compared to a much higher value when using the original York compressor. I would think that a rebuilt Champion six (with no mods) would give back the 3 hp that the years have taken out of it. So, you'd be looking at approximately the same power as you have now, but with AC! Of course, you could do the Offy dual carb setup, which means you need Bill Cathcart's custom made dual exhaust headers and you'll need to get dual exhaust pipes and two mufflers. But that rig can give you another 20 hp, according to his website.

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

DilloCrafter
09-06-2006, 08:43 AM
quote:Originally posted by Kdancy

I have a 53 champion hdtp that I have been considering putting a V-8 in when I rebuild the car. I want AC and didn't think the champion 6 would perform ok with it.
Kdancy,
I have heard that the Sanden AC compressor only drags 3 hp from the motor, compared to a much higher value when using the original York compressor. I would think that a rebuilt Champion six (with no mods) would give back the 3 hp that the years have taken out of it. So, you'd be looking at approximately the same power as you have now, but with AC! Of course, you could do the Offy dual carb setup, which means you need Bill Cathcart's custom made dual exhaust headers and you'll need to get dual exhaust pipes and two mufflers. But that rig can give you another 20 hp, according to his website.

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

DilloCrafter
09-09-2006, 05:38 PM
I decided to paint the motor with POR-15. Here are the steps I am taking:

1. wire wheel on drill, acetone on rag, then heavy-duty paint stripper goop for the resistant stuff.

2. Spray and Soak with POR-15 Marine Clean, a water based degreaser. Rinse well. Let it air dry for a little while. Okay if still wet in spots for next step.

3. Spray with POR-15 Metal Ready, their zinc phospate stuff that etches any smooth metal, and converts any surface rust. Good for paint adhesion. Wait 20 minutes, rinse well. Get it BONE DRY with a hair dryer.

4. Paint only ONE coat of POR-15 rust encapsulator. Use a brush, it flows well and smooths out.

5. After 3-4 hours of drying time (less time required when the humidity is high), see if it is tacky without coming off on finger. If so, then...

6. Paint ONE coat of POR-15 engine paint, good for temps up to 350 degrees Farenheit. I will be doing this step in a couple of hours. The block will be red, but most everything else will be black. Note: I will have to use black POR-15 engine paint as that top coat, since the black POR-15 rust encapsulator is sensitive to UV light, and would fade to gray.

Anyway, you saw the photos I took while getting ready to strip off the gun-metal paint the rebuilder sprayed on it, so here it is while waiting for the POR-15 base coat to dry:

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-after-por15-basecoat-left.JPG[/img=left] (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-after-por15-basecoat-left.JPG)

[img]http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-after-por15-basecoat-right.JPG (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-after-por15-basecoat-right.JPG)

DilloCrafter
09-09-2006, 05:38 PM
I decided to paint the motor with POR-15. Here are the steps I am taking:

1. wire wheel on drill, acetone on rag, then heavy-duty paint stripper goop for the resistant stuff.

2. Spray and Soak with POR-15 Marine Clean, a water based degreaser. Rinse well. Let it air dry for a little while. Okay if still wet in spots for next step.

3. Spray with POR-15 Metal Ready, their zinc phospate stuff that etches any smooth metal, and converts any surface rust. Good for paint adhesion. Wait 20 minutes, rinse well. Get it BONE DRY with a hair dryer.

4. Paint only ONE coat of POR-15 rust encapsulator. Use a brush, it flows well and smooths out.

5. After 3-4 hours of drying time (less time required when the humidity is high), see if it is tacky without coming off on finger. If so, then...

6. Paint ONE coat of POR-15 engine paint, good for temps up to 350 degrees Farenheit. I will be doing this step in a couple of hours. The block will be red, but most everything else will be black. Note: I will have to use black POR-15 engine paint as that top coat, since the black POR-15 rust encapsulator is sensitive to UV light, and would fade to gray.

Anyway, you saw the photos I took while getting ready to strip off the gun-metal paint the rebuilder sprayed on it, so here it is while waiting for the POR-15 base coat to dry:

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-after-por15-basecoat-left.JPG[/img=left] (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-after-por15-basecoat-left.JPG)

[img]http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-after-por15-basecoat-right.JPG (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-after-por15-basecoat-right.JPG)

mbstude
09-09-2006, 06:34 PM
You're gonna have the nicest 55 PU in existence when you're all done!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3.jpg

mbstude
09-09-2006, 06:34 PM
You're gonna have the nicest 55 PU in existence when you're all done!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3.jpg

Roscomacaw
09-09-2006, 07:20 PM
KNEET![:p]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Roscomacaw
09-09-2006, 07:20 PM
KNEET![:p]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

DilloCrafter
09-09-2006, 08:13 PM
Thanks, guys.

UPDATE: I just now discovered that one coat of red POR-15 engine enamel, no matter how thick they brag about it being, is not sufficient to hide the black base coat that I put on first. Now I must wait 24 hours to put on the second coat of red.

It's a brush-on job, so it won't have the same smoothness as if sprayed, but we'll see how well it evens out. The end result may still be a nice eye-catcher, especially when I attach that chrome plated damper that Biggsy is going to send me! I'll continue to post photos as it goes along.

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-after-por15-firstredcoat-left.JPG (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-after-por15-firstredcoat-left.JPG)

DilloCrafter
09-09-2006, 08:13 PM
Thanks, guys.

UPDATE: I just now discovered that one coat of red POR-15 engine enamel, no matter how thick they brag about it being, is not sufficient to hide the black base coat that I put on first. Now I must wait 24 hours to put on the second coat of red.

It's a brush-on job, so it won't have the same smoothness as if sprayed, but we'll see how well it evens out. The end result may still be a nice eye-catcher, especially when I attach that chrome plated damper that Biggsy is going to send me! I'll continue to post photos as it goes along.

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-after-por15-firstredcoat-left.JPG (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-after-por15-firstredcoat-left.JPG)

Roscomacaw
09-10-2006, 06:28 PM
You mean this disc here? [8D]

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/9/10/damper.jpg

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1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Roscomacaw
09-10-2006, 06:28 PM
You mean this disc here? [8D]

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/9/10/damper.jpg

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1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Roscomacaw
09-10-2006, 06:38 PM
Paul,
I know have the bolt and washer as well. I just have to take them from this donor that showed up in my driveway this morning. I'll be parting this thing out.

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/9/10/50sedan.jpg

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1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Roscomacaw
09-10-2006, 06:38 PM
Paul,
I know have the bolt and washer as well. I just have to take them from this donor that showed up in my driveway this morning. I'll be parting this thing out.

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/9/10/50sedan.jpg

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

mbstude
09-10-2006, 06:40 PM
Part it out? [:0] I think that most of it will buff out... :D

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3-1.jpg

mbstude
09-10-2006, 06:40 PM
Part it out? [:0] I think that most of it will buff out... :D

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3-1.jpg

Roscomacaw
09-10-2006, 07:04 PM
Hey Boy! I got a nice, new buffer here with a couple of pads and some 3M compound, Matthew. C'mon over and give me a lesson or two.[}:)]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Roscomacaw
09-10-2006, 07:04 PM
Hey Boy! I got a nice, new buffer here with a couple of pads and some 3M compound, Matthew. C'mon over and give me a lesson or two.[}:)]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

mbstude
09-10-2006, 07:12 PM
CA is a leetle ways to drive in a '59 Stude truck...
I did wonders for this '50 Champion four door 'DiscoBaker' though. It can be seen here: http://good-times.webshots.com/album/552302786IqECox

(Sorry to steal your thread Dillocrafter ;))

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3-1.jpg

mbstude
09-10-2006, 07:12 PM
CA is a leetle ways to drive in a '59 Stude truck...
I did wonders for this '50 Champion four door 'DiscoBaker' though. It can be seen here: http://good-times.webshots.com/album/552302786IqECox

(Sorry to steal your thread Dillocrafter ;))

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/SDCavatargood3-1.jpg

DilloCrafter
09-10-2006, 09:09 PM
Oww, that chrome damper hurts my eyes! Warn us when you are going to show something that shiny.

How do these Studebakers keep finding their way to your house? What, do you live in the "BerStuda Triangle" or something?

Yes, I can picture Bob directing Matthew in the fine art of buffing. He would say, as a teacher to his student, "Wax on, wax off". I think your respective ages are about right for that Karate Kid analogy, too. ;)

Anyway, it's been 24 hours, and the final coat of red has been brushed onto the engine. Here are my thoughts on the pros and cons of this POR-15 method:

Pros:
1) POR-15's engine paint is very thick, and levels pretty well, as it takes so long to dry.

2) Also this paint is VERY shiny, if that is what you want. I like it!

Cons:
1) They should have warned me not to use their black POR-15 rust treatment as a base coat. I would have had less base coat color peeking through if I had used their "tie-coat primer" or a lighter color POR-15 as a base, like gray or silver. But, I had black on hand. By the way, a 4 oz. can of black POR-15 rust paint was more than enough for base coating this engine.

2) It levels SO well, that the black shows through easily on the rough cast iron parts (which is most of the block) and I had to use an extra thick coat of the red when doing the second coat today. I even needed to go back and add some more an hour later, just to get a coverage I'm satisfied with. Again, a lighter color base coat would probably have eliminated this problem, and the red paint is so thick that perhaps one coat would do it over gray.

So, with the final top coat of red paint still wet, but not likely to lose much of its shine after it dries, here is a repeat of the photo after the first coat of red, followed by the way it now looks after second coat:

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-after-por15-firstredcoat-left.JPG (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-after-por15-firstredcoat-left.JPG) Click image for larger view

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-after-por15-2ndRedcoat-left.JPG (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-after-por15-2ndRedcoat-left.JPG)

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-after-por15-2ndRedcoat-right.JPG (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-after-por15-2ndRedcoat-right.JPG)

DilloCrafter
09-10-2006, 09:09 PM
Oww, that chrome damper hurts my eyes! Warn us when you are going to show something that shiny.

How do these Studebakers keep finding their way to your house? What, do you live in the "BerStuda Triangle" or something?

Yes, I can picture Bob directing Matthew in the fine art of buffing. He would say, as a teacher to his student, "Wax on, wax off". I think your respective ages are about right for that Karate Kid analogy, too. ;)

Anyway, it's been 24 hours, and the final coat of red has been brushed onto the engine. Here are my thoughts on the pros and cons of this POR-15 method:

Pros:
1) POR-15's engine paint is very thick, and levels pretty well, as it takes so long to dry.

2) Also this paint is VERY shiny, if that is what you want. I like it!

Cons:
1) They should have warned me not to use their black POR-15 rust treatment as a base coat. I would have had less base coat color peeking through if I had used their "tie-coat primer" or a lighter color POR-15 as a base, like gray or silver. But, I had black on hand. By the way, a 4 oz. can of black POR-15 rust paint was more than enough for base coating this engine.

2) It levels SO well, that the black shows through easily on the rough cast iron parts (which is most of the block) and I had to use an extra thick coat of the red when doing the second coat today. I even needed to go back and add some more an hour later, just to get a coverage I'm satisfied with. Again, a lighter color base coat would probably have eliminated this problem, and the red paint is so thick that perhaps one coat would do it over gray.

So, with the final top coat of red paint still wet, but not likely to lose much of its shine after it dries, here is a repeat of the photo after the first coat of red, followed by the way it now looks after second coat:

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-after-por15-firstredcoat-left.JPG (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-after-por15-firstredcoat-left.JPG) Click image for larger view

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-after-por15-2ndRedcoat-left.JPG (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-after-por15-2ndRedcoat-left.JPG)

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/thm-motor-after-por15-2ndRedcoat-right.JPG (http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-after-por15-2ndRedcoat-right.JPG)

Roscomacaw
09-10-2006, 09:20 PM
Just right for a Red-Headed Amazon!;)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Roscomacaw
09-10-2006, 09:20 PM
Just right for a Red-Headed Amazon!;)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

stude freak
09-10-2006, 11:36 PM
Man ! That shor is purdy.Looks like porche guardsman red.Be shor to put a warning sign for folks to see before opening hood. "sun glasses required":D[8D]

David Baggett Mantachie,Ms.

stude freak
09-10-2006, 11:36 PM
Man ! That shor is purdy.Looks like porche guardsman red.Be shor to put a warning sign for folks to see before opening hood. "sun glasses required":D[8D]

David Baggett Mantachie,Ms.

Roscomacaw
09-11-2006, 10:38 AM
BTW "BerStuda Triangle" - I like that.;)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Roscomacaw
09-11-2006, 10:38 AM
BTW "BerStuda Triangle" - I like that.;)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

CHAMP
09-11-2006, 03:29 PM
I like that red! Looks HOT and is![8D]

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

CHAMP
09-11-2006, 03:29 PM
I like that red! Looks HOT and is![8D]

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

DilloCrafter
09-11-2006, 03:46 PM
Update on a property of that red POR-15 engine paint. Twelve hours after getting a couple of spots of red paint on the black crankshaft pulley, I decided to try to remove the red spots before touching it up with black paint. I tried acetone, but it WOULD NOT REMOVE the paint. This blew my mind, as I use acetone to remove any old paint, and consider it to be one step shy of a paint stripper. But here it is, can't even take off paint that isn't fully cured yet!

I think this POR-15 engine paint, when fully dried (they say to wait six days before running the engine), will be as hard as the powder coated head. In a week, maybe I'll hit both with a hammer and chisel, and tell you which one gives first. Or maybe not.

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

DilloCrafter
09-11-2006, 03:46 PM
Update on a property of that red POR-15 engine paint. Twelve hours after getting a couple of spots of red paint on the black crankshaft pulley, I decided to try to remove the red spots before touching it up with black paint. I tried acetone, but it WOULD NOT REMOVE the paint. This blew my mind, as I use acetone to remove any old paint, and consider it to be one step shy of a paint stripper. But here it is, can't even take off paint that isn't fully cured yet!

I think this POR-15 engine paint, when fully dried (they say to wait six days before running the engine), will be as hard as the powder coated head. In a week, maybe I'll hit both with a hammer and chisel, and tell you which one gives first. Or maybe not.

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

Roscomacaw
09-11-2006, 04:22 PM
That's supposed to be one of the product's traits - impervious to most anything - EXCEPT bad surface preperation.[xx(]

And moisture (even just humidity) serves as a catalyst to make it harder and harder over time. I'll be really interested to see how it does over time on your engine, Paul.[8D]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
09-11-2006, 04:22 PM
That's supposed to be one of the product's traits - impervious to most anything - EXCEPT bad surface preperation.[xx(]

And moisture (even just humidity) serves as a catalyst to make it harder and harder over time. I'll be really interested to see how it does over time on your engine, Paul.[8D]

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the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

DilloCrafter
10-06-2006, 11:04 PM
Update: I haven't had time to work on assembling the engine in a while, but after nearly a month, at least the engine paint has dried!

Just as a little treat for everyone following this, I've got a photo with some of the cool stuff attached: NOS powder coated head, Bill Cathcart's hand-modified exhaust headers, which I had ceramic coated inside and out, an Offenhauser dual intake, and the beautiful chrome plated crankshaft damper that Mr. Biggs donated to the cause (tell me, should I leave that crankshaft bolt painted gold? If not, then what color?):

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-withBiggsyBlingDamper.JPG




http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

DilloCrafter
10-06-2006, 11:04 PM
Update: I haven't had time to work on assembling the engine in a while, but after nearly a month, at least the engine paint has dried!

Just as a little treat for everyone following this, I've got a photo with some of the cool stuff attached: NOS powder coated head, Bill Cathcart's hand-modified exhaust headers, which I had ceramic coated inside and out, an Offenhauser dual intake, and the beautiful chrome plated crankshaft damper that Mr. Biggs donated to the cause (tell me, should I leave that crankshaft bolt painted gold? If not, then what color?):

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/restoration/motor-withBiggsyBlingDamper.JPG




http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

stude53
10-07-2006, 09:47 AM
Artful job, Paul.
Keep the pics coming.

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

stude53
10-07-2006, 09:47 AM
Artful job, Paul.
Keep the pics coming.

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

mbstude
10-07-2006, 01:49 PM
quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(tell me, should I leave that crankshaft bolt painted gold? If not, then what color?):
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I vote to leave 'er be!


I agree, it looks great!!!


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mbstude
10-07-2006, 01:49 PM
quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(tell me, should I leave that crankshaft bolt painted gold? If not, then what color?):
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I vote to leave 'er be!


I agree, it looks great!!!


http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/1_SDC_avatar_coast.jpg

Randy_G
10-07-2006, 07:31 PM
I say put it in the truck, and thank you for letting us see the evolution of this engine.

http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/studerustII.jpg Randy_G
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Randy_G
10-07-2006, 07:31 PM
I say put it in the truck, and thank you for letting us see the evolution of this engine.

http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/studerustII.jpg Randy_G
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Roscomacaw
10-08-2006, 02:46 PM
FYI - I sent Paul that chromed DAMPER & scavenged the bolt and lock washer from the engine in that 50 Champion I just got. I cleaned the the bolt and washer on the wire wheel and grabbed a can of gold paint that was at hand. I then sent a photo to Paul and joked that I'd not only cleaned them, but gold-plated them as well.[:o)] I hadn't really intended to dictate the color scheme of his engine.:D

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-08-2006, 02:46 PM
FYI - I sent Paul that chromed DAMPER & scavenged the bolt and lock washer from the engine in that 50 Champion I just got. I cleaned the the bolt and washer on the wire wheel and grabbed a can of gold paint that was at hand. I then sent a photo to Paul and joked that I'd not only cleaned them, but gold-plated them as well.[:o)] I hadn't really intended to dictate the color scheme of his engine.:D

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe