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kmul221
09-05-2006, 10:21 AM
Does anyone know by the numbers given if this is heavy-duty,powershift
or regular Flight-O-Matic & what's the opinion on buying,problems & Value ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190027641286&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009

Roscomacaw
09-05-2006, 10:42 AM
It's a standard duty V8 Flight-o-Matic for 65 & 66 Studebakers. I wouldn't have any hesitation about using one save for replacing the 43-year old front and rear seals. This unit has the cable-actuated throttle pressure setup instead of the linkage-actuated and you'd have to deal with adapting any 64 thru 58 car to it. 57 and earlier cars would have a 2-piece driveshaft to contend with as this is set up for the later 1-piece.;)

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Roscomacaw
09-05-2006, 10:42 AM
It's a standard duty V8 Flight-o-Matic for 65 & 66 Studebakers. I wouldn't have any hesitation about using one save for replacing the 43-year old front and rear seals. This unit has the cable-actuated throttle pressure setup instead of the linkage-actuated and you'd have to deal with adapting any 64 thru 58 car to it. 57 and earlier cars would have a 2-piece driveshaft to contend with as this is set up for the later 1-piece.;)

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

65cruiser
09-05-2006, 11:35 AM
Jeez,

Did they come from with factory installed grease and dirt?

http://i8.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/3f/96/98_12.JPG

Doesn't look quite right to me.


quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

It's a standard duty V8 Flight-o-Matic for 65 & 66 Studebakers. I wouldn't have any hesitation about using one save for replacing the 43-year old front and rear seals. This unit has the cable-actuated throttle pressure setup instead of the linkage-actuated and you'd have to deal with adapting any 64 thru 58 car to it. 57 and earlier cars would have a 2-piece driveshaft to contend with as this is set up for the later 1-piece.;)

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS


________________________
Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/smstude.jpg

65cruiser
09-05-2006, 11:35 AM
Jeez,

Did they come from with factory installed grease and dirt?

http://i8.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/3f/96/98_12.JPG

Doesn't look quite right to me.


quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

It's a standard duty V8 Flight-o-Matic for 65 & 66 Studebakers. I wouldn't have any hesitation about using one save for replacing the 43-year old front and rear seals. This unit has the cable-actuated throttle pressure setup instead of the linkage-actuated and you'd have to deal with adapting any 64 thru 58 car to it. 57 and earlier cars would have a 2-piece driveshaft to contend with as this is set up for the later 1-piece.;)

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS


________________________
Mark Anderson
1965 Cruiser
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/smstude.jpg

r1lark
09-05-2006, 11:45 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

It's a standard duty V8 Flight-o-Matic for 65 & 66 Studebakers.

A couple of comments:
1) Be careful, this could be a 'take-off' from early in a car's life that was put back into the crate that the 'replacement' tranny came in. It's hard to tell sometimes, especially depending on the storage condition over the years. I have seen more than a few "advertised as NOS" parts that were actually take-offs. Buyer beware.
2) It looks like the speedo gear hole is open. In my neck of the woods (which is NC, not too far from SC.....) the mud daubers and other insects and even mice would have found this to be a tempting home!
3) The eBay ad seems to indicate that there is more than one of these. I did note the same buyer has a Stude 4-speed 'in the crate' on eBay also. If he has 3 or 4 more of the same exact p/n in the same exact crates, I would be more inclined to think these are NOS.

Just my 2 cents worth.......

Paul

Visit The Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: http://hometown.aol.com/r1skytop/myhomepage/index.html

r1lark
09-05-2006, 11:45 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

It's a standard duty V8 Flight-o-Matic for 65 & 66 Studebakers.

A couple of comments:
1) Be careful, this could be a 'take-off' from early in a car's life that was put back into the crate that the 'replacement' tranny came in. It's hard to tell sometimes, especially depending on the storage condition over the years. I have seen more than a few "advertised as NOS" parts that were actually take-offs. Buyer beware.
2) It looks like the speedo gear hole is open. In my neck of the woods (which is NC, not too far from SC.....) the mud daubers and other insects and even mice would have found this to be a tempting home!
3) The eBay ad seems to indicate that there is more than one of these. I did note the same buyer has a Stude 4-speed 'in the crate' on eBay also. If he has 3 or 4 more of the same exact p/n in the same exact crates, I would be more inclined to think these are NOS.

Just my 2 cents worth.......

Paul

Visit The Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: http://hometown.aol.com/r1skytop/myhomepage/index.html

Roscomacaw
09-05-2006, 12:11 PM
I like the way you think, Paul. OTOH - I don't think that photo shows "grease and dirt". I think it might show an accumulation of dust on the tailhousing but I'd sorta expect that with an open crate and 43 years of sitting in a warehouse or back room of a garage or shop.
I WILL say that the one and only NOS Flight-o-Matic that's come my way had a heavy gage metal guard over the levers to protect them from getting bent in shipping. I don't see that here but then mine wasn't in a crate either.:(

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Roscomacaw
09-05-2006, 12:11 PM
I like the way you think, Paul. OTOH - I don't think that photo shows "grease and dirt". I think it might show an accumulation of dust on the tailhousing but I'd sorta expect that with an open crate and 43 years of sitting in a warehouse or back room of a garage or shop.
I WILL say that the one and only NOS Flight-o-Matic that's come my way had a heavy gage metal guard over the levers to protect them from getting bent in shipping. I don't see that here but then mine wasn't in a crate either.:(

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

StudeRich
09-05-2006, 08:43 PM
Actually this Trans. would have been considered a heavy Duty in '64, but for '65-'66 the heavy Duty (oil cooled) unit was standard on V-8's so technically this is a heavy duty. It of course, has a second gear start. The shift linkage will hook right up, but the throttle pressure control, as Mr. Biggs said will require some trickery for '56-'64's, and the driveshaft for '56-'57's.


quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

It's a standard duty V8 Flight-o-Matic for 65 & 66 Studebakers. I wouldn't have any hesitation about using one save for replacing the 43-year old front and rear seals. This unit has the cable-actuated throttle pressure setup instead of the linkage-actuated and you'd have to deal with adapting any 64 thru 58 car to it. 57 and earlier cars would have a 2-piece driveshaft to contend with as this is set up for the later 1-piece.;)

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
09-05-2006, 08:43 PM
Actually this Trans. would have been considered a heavy Duty in '64, but for '65-'66 the heavy Duty (oil cooled) unit was standard on V-8's so technically this is a heavy duty. It of course, has a second gear start. The shift linkage will hook right up, but the throttle pressure control, as Mr. Biggs said will require some trickery for '56-'64's, and the driveshaft for '56-'57's.


quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

It's a standard duty V8 Flight-o-Matic for 65 & 66 Studebakers. I wouldn't have any hesitation about using one save for replacing the 43-year old front and rear seals. This unit has the cable-actuated throttle pressure setup instead of the linkage-actuated and you'd have to deal with adapting any 64 thru 58 car to it. 57 and earlier cars would have a 2-piece driveshaft to contend with as this is set up for the later 1-piece.;)

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Dick Steinkamp
09-05-2006, 09:42 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Actually this Trans. would have been considered a heavy Duty in '64, but for '65-'66 the heavy Duty (oil cooled) unit was standard on V-8's so technically this is a heavy duty.


I believe Rich is correct (as usual). He calls it oil cooled, but I call it water cooled. The only '65-66 V8 FOM's I've seen have been water cooled. This was what was called a HD FOM in '63-64 and used behind the R series motors if a Power Shift or stick shift wasn't specified. It was the "standard duty" FOM for '65 and '66 V8's. (must have been all that extra SBC Chevy power [}:)]:D)


http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
09-05-2006, 09:42 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Actually this Trans. would have been considered a heavy Duty in '64, but for '65-'66 the heavy Duty (oil cooled) unit was standard on V-8's so technically this is a heavy duty.


I believe Rich is correct (as usual). He calls it oil cooled, but I call it water cooled. The only '65-66 V8 FOM's I've seen have been water cooled. This was what was called a HD FOM in '63-64 and used behind the R series motors if a Power Shift or stick shift wasn't specified. It was the "standard duty" FOM for '65 and '66 V8's. (must have been all that extra SBC Chevy power [}:)]:D)


http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

bams50
09-05-2006, 10:08 PM
Cool item... wonder what it could be worth...?

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
09-05-2006, 10:08 PM
Cool item... wonder what it could be worth...?

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

studee64
09-05-2006, 10:24 PM
Looking at purchasing a 63 Avanti Power shift c/w bell housing for my 64 Hawk (which would presumably require a rebuild)

What would be considered a fair purchase price?

Thanks



Barry Leppan
Burlington, Ont. Canada
64 Daytona HT 5-spd
64 GT Hawk R-1/AC/4-spd

studee64
09-05-2006, 10:24 PM
Looking at purchasing a 63 Avanti Power shift c/w bell housing for my 64 Hawk (which would presumably require a rebuild)

What would be considered a fair purchase price?

Thanks



Barry Leppan
Burlington, Ont. Canada
64 Daytona HT 5-spd
64 GT Hawk R-1/AC/4-spd

StudeRich
09-06-2006, 02:01 AM
That's a bit hard to say, not knowing just how "worn out" the rebuildable core is. A ballpark might be $200.00 to $500.00 depending on, if you get the converter with the housing. Also the shift linkage and fibreglass box (tower) etc. I believe you will need to change the brake pedal and driveshaft also.

[quoteWhat would be considered a fair purchase price?
Thanks
Barry Leppan
[/quote]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
09-06-2006, 02:01 AM
That's a bit hard to say, not knowing just how "worn out" the rebuildable core is. A ballpark might be $200.00 to $500.00 depending on, if you get the converter with the housing. Also the shift linkage and fibreglass box (tower) etc. I believe you will need to change the brake pedal and driveshaft also.

[quoteWhat would be considered a fair purchase price?
Thanks
Barry Leppan
[/quote]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA