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desertdoc
02-22-2011, 04:36 PM
I have tag #64V-p4 463. I am wondering how many of these bad boys were made and if anyone knows how many are left. I bought this thing with the aspirations of putting it back into showroom condition. I have it up for sale along with enough chrome for two cars, another 259 engine with rebuild kit, all new rubber, 3 sets of door vinyl, two steering wheels, new wheels and tires. (I had a 64 challenger also, thats why 2 of everything.). It has no rust or rot, no major dings, half the car is down to bare metal and clean. Doors are off and all glass is out. Last two SASCO front fenders are still wrapped in cardboard just in case I needed them. Any information or offers appreciated. thanks guys

BobPalma
02-22-2011, 05:59 PM
There's simply no way to know how many are "left."

But here's how many 1964 wagons we started out with, South Bend and Hamilton production combined:

SIXES:
Challenger: 453
Heavy Duty: 9
Commander: 1,206
Daytona (Hamilton only): 116

EIGHTS:
Challenger: 286
Heavy-Duty: 13
Commander: 1,605
Daytona: 1,543

Interesting, the highest production number were Commander V-8 wagons. BP

tutone63
02-22-2011, 06:11 PM
It looks like the V8's outsold the 6's by a pretty good margin. But when you think about it, it makes sense. I mean, if you are gonna buy a wagon, usually you have a decent sized family you need to haul around, plus vacations. Who wants to load up a car with two adults, four kids, a car full of luggage and a rack full to boot, and then try to traverse the mountains and valleys with a little 6 banger? Makes sense to me to spend the extra for the V8! :)

Bob Andrews
02-22-2011, 06:52 PM
Hi Doc-

How about some pictures and a package price? I or someone else might be interested. If you prefer, e-mail me at bams50@msn.com . Thanks!

fargoguy
02-22-2011, 07:01 PM
Bob- How many were Astra White?



There's simply no way to know how many are "left."

But here's how many 1964 wagons we started out with, South Bend and Hamilton production combined:

SIXES:
Challenger: 453
Heavy Duty: 9
Commander: 1,206
Daytona (Hamilton only): 116

EIGHTS:
Challenger: 286
Heavy-Duty: 13
Commander: 1,605
Daytona: 1,543

Interesting, the highest production number were Commander V-8 wagons. BP

mausersmth
02-22-2011, 07:04 PM
This is why I need a savings account!
Hope you find a good home for her. My Cruiser would love the company, but I lack the cash & garage space!

BobPalma
02-22-2011, 09:21 PM
Bob- How many were Astra White?

'Can't say for sure, Evan, without several day's research through the production orders, one by one, for all 20,000+ South Bend 1964 V-8 cars, plus Hamilton.

However, as to Astra White domestic Daytona Wagonaires, in which I have a vested interest, probably about 400.

That's because 99 of the 417 domestic 1964 Daytona convertibles were Astra White. If we apply that percentage to the 1,543 South Bend Daytona Wagonaires, we get about 400.

Buit that's only an approximation, of course; the exact number has not been researched to the best of my knowledge. BP

8E45E
02-22-2011, 11:08 PM
How many of those Fleet/P3's were ordered with *no* back seat? Some GSA vehicles were ordered less back seat with a piece of vinyl-covered plywood in its place!

Craig

BobPalma
02-23-2011, 07:46 AM
How many of those Fleet/P3's were ordered with *no* back seat? Some GSA vehicles were ordered less back seat with a piece of vinyl-covered plywood in its place! Craig

True, Craig...now with three or four full days of production order research in South Bend at the museum, we'll be able to answer your question! <GGG> BP

WCP
02-23-2011, 12:17 PM
Bob, since the thread is focusing on Astra white, do you have the number of '64 J8's in that color?

BobPalma
02-23-2011, 01:39 PM
Bob, since the thread is focusing on Astra white, do you have the number of '64 J8's in that color?

No.

Few, very few, Studebaker model years have the number of units of each color known. Some specific research has been done for, say, 1956 Golden Hawks, 1957 Golden Hawk 400s (but not all 1957 Golden Hawks), 1958 Golden Hawks, and 1964 Daytona Convertibles. It takes a long time to do this because each Production Order must be handled and the color noted manually; there has never been (and will likely never be) the manpower to enter all this information into a huge data base...although it's a pleasant dream, of course.

Some assumptions and approximations can be made, as I did by applying the percentage of Astra White 1964 convertibles (a known figure) to the total production run of 1964 Daytona Wagonaires. White was an extremely popular color in the industry all during the early to mid 1960s, so there is no reason to believe the percentage of white wagons would be much different than the percentage of white convertibles.

That said, 2,414 1964 Daytona Hardtops were made. If just under a fourth of them were Astra White, as with the convertibles, there would have been "about 600" Astra White 1964 Daytona hardtops. That's about as close as we can come from extant research. BP

desertdoc
02-24-2011, 06:02 PM
I have it for sale here in Tucson, AZ on Craigslist.com
You can find it by PostingID: 2232309303 or by searching for studebaker or 1964 in the Tucson listings. All of the particulars are there. $6000 obo for everything and I'll thow in the challenger parts I have too, tail light lenses and badges.

(S)
02-24-2011, 08:44 PM
I have a 64 Daytona Wagonaire for sale also. It is an unfinished project, horizon green, STUCK/soaking 289 P/S P/B Power T gate, Black interior Stored since the early 1980's. Rust/cancer is minimal. As they say "its all there"..... It is in NW WA State for sale all or parts and I only have 1 week to unload it. Parts will be on Ebay next week if it does not sell 'whole'

starliner62
02-24-2011, 08:52 PM
Always the wrong end of the country. I'm beginning to think that Sudebaker didn't sell any station wagons in the south.

JimsLeadCommander
02-24-2011, 08:57 PM
I have tag #64V-p4 463. I am wondering how many of these bad boys were made and if anyone knows how many are left. I bought this thing with the aspirations of putting it back into showroom condition. I have it up for sale along with enough chrome for two cars, another 259 engine with rebuild kit, all new rubber, 3 sets of door vinyl, two steering wheels, new wheels and tires. (I had a 64 challenger also, thats why 2 of everything.). It has no rust or rot, no major dings, half the car is down to bare metal and clean. Doors are off and all glass is out. Last two SASCO front fenders are still wrapped in cardboard just in case I needed them. Any information or offers appreciated. thanks guys
I added up ALL the model numbers Bob Palma supplied and come up with only 5,231!! Is that all Studebaker built of this wonderful wagon? My gosh, those numbers seem very low to say the least. Didn't competitor Rambler make thousands more of their wagons? Oh well.

BobPalma
02-24-2011, 10:00 PM
I added up ALL the model numbers Bob Palma supplied and come up with only 5,231!! Is that all Studebaker built of this wonderful wagon? My gosh, those numbers seem very low to say the least. Didn't competitor Rambler make thousands more of their wagons? Oh well.

Oh, yeah, Jim; AMC was on a roll in 1963 and 1964.

Total 1964 AMC station wagon production was a whopping 103,944 units.

In fact, only two specific AMC station wagon models had a production figure lower than Studebaker's 5,231 total: The Ambassador 990 (2,995 units) and the Classic 550 V-8 (2,199 units).

All other 1964 AMC station wagon models, even when broken down by six or V-8, still, individually, exceeded Studebaker's 5,231 total.

Gulp. BP

desertdoc
02-25-2011, 12:44 PM
Any offers for my wagon, I would really love to get it out of my garage. I just want to make sure it goes to someone who realizes how rare these things are so they don't lower it and paint it black primer...we have enough of those here in Tucson.

SilentRon
02-25-2011, 07:12 PM
The February 1982 issue of "Turning Wheels" indicates 1964 Wagonaire production at 5,163 units. Following is total Wagaonaire production by year:

1963: 11,915
1964: 5,163
1965: 1,824
1966: 940

It's interesting to note that not all Wagonaires were produced with the sliding top option.

Respectfully,
SilentRon

studegary
02-26-2011, 01:20 PM
The February 1982 issue of "Turning Wheels" indicates 1964 Wagonaire production at 5,163 units. Following is total Wagaonaire production by year:

1963: 11,915
1964: 5,163
1965: 1,824
1966: 940

It's interesting to note that not all Wagonaires were produced with the sliding top option.

Respectfully,
SilentRon

To add to that, early (like 1963) wagons without a sliding roof were called wagons and only the sliding roof models were called Wagonaires and late wagons (like 1965-1966) were all called Wagonaires whether they had a sliding roof or not.

desertdoc
02-27-2011, 03:22 PM
I really need to get this wagon out of the garage. I need the space to work on the lower end of my 67 fastback mustang. Any reasonable offers appreciated.

desertdoc
03-02-2011, 08:18 PM
Ok I'm going to start tearing it down, any body need 64 wagon parts. I understand the tailgates are worth something. It is on ebay right now but it needs to go in two weeks. Any takers?

bjackameit
03-03-2011, 10:01 AM
If you part it out I am looking for a good (unpitted) set of Wagonaire taillamp housings. Bill Jackameit

desertdoc
03-04-2011, 07:12 PM
Yes I have two sets! Check eBay $$$
So nobody want to save this from the recycle bin. Amazing. When I cut it up with my plasma cutter I'll be sure to post it I guess that makes the rest worth more.

snowy_buffalo
03-04-2011, 08:46 PM
4 days to go on your e-bay auction as of Friday night and you're already talking of cutting it up?? Guess I wasted my time bidding on it if it means so little to you that you would cut it up.

r1lark
03-05-2011, 06:35 AM
So nobody want to save this from the recycle bin. Amazing. When I cut it up with my plasma cutter I'll be sure to post it I guess that makes the rest worth more.

It's your car and your choice of what you do with it.

If you price it realistically, someone might save it. But it's hard to get that kind of money ($6K is what I saw posted earlier) out of an unfinished project, especially with the economy the way it is right now.

Your best bet may be to part it out. Potentially more return for you, and the parts will allow other Wagonaires to stay on the road.

But there is no reason to 'expect' others to bail you out of your project at a high price, and then get huffy if it doesn't happen.

desertdoc
03-05-2011, 09:13 AM
Now I see that the SDC does have a pulse somewhere within it! I don't want to tear the car apart, I don't even want to get rid of it but I have to. Earlier in the post I stated any reasonable offer would be nice. I put it out at $6000 because I have a lot more in the project than that and I needed a starting price to negotiate from. If you have looked at my ebay listing, you see the buy it now $ is 5k. There is a reserve also. One could assume that the reserve price is not higher than the buy it now price. I also relisted it on craigslist here in Tucson and dropped the price. Again, any reasonable offer for the sale of this car would be entertained. Heck if I had enough time to cut it up and part it out, I'd have enough time to put it back together.

desertdoc
03-07-2011, 07:47 PM
you guys are great ! i think Ill' get rid of the reserve on my ebay listing!