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tstclr
09-04-2006, 08:30 PM
Does anyone know how many Lark were built per day in the 1963 model year? There is a Lark 2dr sedan on Ebay with a VIN 433 less than mine. Just wondering how many days apart they may have been built.
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

monomaniac
09-04-2006, 09:00 PM
In Hamilton, Canadian production for 1963 models averaged at between 800 and 900 per month. It would depend on which month but you can probably make an educated guess.

monomaniac
09-04-2006, 09:00 PM
In Hamilton, Canadian production for 1963 models averaged at between 800 and 900 per month. It would depend on which month but you can probably make an educated guess.

JDP
09-04-2006, 09:10 PM
I once had two 56 Golden Hawks in my yard from two different parts of the country one number apart, go figure.

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JDP
09-04-2006, 09:10 PM
I once had two 56 Golden Hawks in my yard from two different parts of the country one number apart, go figure.

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63 GT Hawk
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63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
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60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
52 Starliner
51 Commander

Studedude1961
09-04-2006, 09:10 PM
According to Donald T. Critchlow's book, "Studebaker The Life and Death of an American Corporation" normal production was 60 cars an hour. This was undoubtedly the whole product line, not just Larks but Larks would have made up the lion's share. (Page 180).

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Studedude1961
09-04-2006, 09:10 PM
According to Donald T. Critchlow's book, "Studebaker The Life and Death of an American Corporation" normal production was 60 cars an hour. This was undoubtedly the whole product line, not just Larks but Larks would have made up the lion's share. (Page 180).

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

BobPalma
09-04-2006, 09:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by tstclr

Does anyone know how many Lark were built per day in the 1963 model year? There is a Lark 2dr sedan on Ebay with a VIN 433 less than mine. Just wondering how many days apart they may have been built.
Todd
63 Lark 2dr Sedan


Todd:

This question is interesting, but it would be impossible to answer correctly. :(

First, I note you are in Canada. Are the cars in question Hamilton or South Bend production, or one of each? [:I]

Second, production schedules varied widely from day-to-day during the 1963 model year. [:0] Some "working" days (i.e, a Tuesday or such), no cars were built. Other days were worked half-days to "balance inventory." [xx(] The car you are looking at could have been built the last half-hour of one day and the one you own built the first half-hour of another...or they could have been built the same day.

The Third Edition of The Standard Catalog of American Cars is dated 1992. It lists Studebaker as having built 17,401 "F" style (2-door sedan) cars during the 1963 model year. [:p] That figure is probably a little light (it might be a few cars higher) because I know some formerly-lost production records have been found since then and have added a few cars to what was thought to be the 1963 total.

If you figure 10 months of 5-day-per-week workdays, you could come up with a maximum of maybe 200 days available to build cars...but that wouldn't be realistic for Studebaker because Studebaker's 1963 sales did not support building cars every available working day for a full model year.

I'd honestly bet they didn't build cars 150 full, 8-hour shift days during the 1963 model year. But I emphasize; that's only an educated guess. It is based on having watched their daily production and sales figures during that time, as published in Automotive News. That's the weekly newspaper of the industry. My Dad still subscribed during 1963, when I was 17 years old, and I eagerly [:p] opened each issue to see how Studebaker was doing.

Rarely was there good news, I'm sorry to say...:( BP

BobPalma
09-04-2006, 09:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by tstclr

Does anyone know how many Lark were built per day in the 1963 model year? There is a Lark 2dr sedan on Ebay with a VIN 433 less than mine. Just wondering how many days apart they may have been built.
Todd
63 Lark 2dr Sedan


Todd:

This question is interesting, but it would be impossible to answer correctly. :(

First, I note you are in Canada. Are the cars in question Hamilton or South Bend production, or one of each? [:I]

Second, production schedules varied widely from day-to-day during the 1963 model year. [:0] Some "working" days (i.e, a Tuesday or such), no cars were built. Other days were worked half-days to "balance inventory." [xx(] The car you are looking at could have been built the last half-hour of one day and the one you own built the first half-hour of another...or they could have been built the same day.

The Third Edition of The Standard Catalog of American Cars is dated 1992. It lists Studebaker as having built 17,401 "F" style (2-door sedan) cars during the 1963 model year. [:p] That figure is probably a little light (it might be a few cars higher) because I know some formerly-lost production records have been found since then and have added a few cars to what was thought to be the 1963 total.

If you figure 10 months of 5-day-per-week workdays, you could come up with a maximum of maybe 200 days available to build cars...but that wouldn't be realistic for Studebaker because Studebaker's 1963 sales did not support building cars every available working day for a full model year.

I'd honestly bet they didn't build cars 150 full, 8-hour shift days during the 1963 model year. But I emphasize; that's only an educated guess. It is based on having watched their daily production and sales figures during that time, as published in Automotive News. That's the weekly newspaper of the industry. My Dad still subscribed during 1963, when I was 17 years old, and I eagerly [:p] opened each issue to see how Studebaker was doing.

Rarely was there good news, I'm sorry to say...:( BP

tstclr
09-05-2006, 05:58 AM
I was refering to South Bend production. Am I right that if a Lark was built with the sequence number 15565 there could be a Hawk right behind it and it would have a sequence number of 15566? I guess this Lark could be 3 or 4 days younger than mine based on 100-150 cars a day. That's why it looks to be in better shape than mine!:D
Thanks!
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

tstclr
09-05-2006, 05:58 AM
I was refering to South Bend production. Am I right that if a Lark was built with the sequence number 15565 there could be a Hawk right behind it and it would have a sequence number of 15566? I guess this Lark could be 3 or 4 days younger than mine based on 100-150 cars a day. That's why it looks to be in better shape than mine!:D
Thanks!
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

BobPalma
09-05-2006, 06:12 AM
quote:Originally posted by tstclr

I was refering to South Bend production. Am I right that if a Lark was built with the sequence number 15565 there could be a Hawk right behind it and it would have a sequence number of 15566? I guess this Lark could be 3 or 4 days younger than mine based on 100-150 cars a day. That's why it looks to be in better shape than mine!:D
Thanks!
Todd
63 Lark 2dr Sedan



Todd:

What you surmise is true IF your car is a V-8. I.e, if you car's Serial Number is 63V15565, the next number (63V15566) could have been a Hawk or any other V-8 model except an Avanti.

On the other hand, if your car is 63S15565, the next car would have had to be any six-cylinder model, not a Hawk (except export, of course, since 63S-K6 models were built for export). BP :)

BobPalma
09-05-2006, 06:12 AM
quote:Originally posted by tstclr

I was refering to South Bend production. Am I right that if a Lark was built with the sequence number 15565 there could be a Hawk right behind it and it would have a sequence number of 15566? I guess this Lark could be 3 or 4 days younger than mine based on 100-150 cars a day. That's why it looks to be in better shape than mine!:D
Thanks!
Todd
63 Lark 2dr Sedan



Todd:

What you surmise is true IF your car is a V-8. I.e, if you car's Serial Number is 63V15565, the next number (63V15566) could have been a Hawk or any other V-8 model except an Avanti.

On the other hand, if your car is 63S15565, the next car would have had to be any six-cylinder model, not a Hawk (except export, of course, since 63S-K6 models were built for export). BP :)

Bill Pressler
09-05-2006, 06:42 AM
This thread is interesting to me. I always look at serial numbers of any '63 V8 cars I see, to see how close it may have been in production to mine. I haven't looked at any that are very close, unfortunately. I have seen in the Jet Thrust News, that a fellow in Georgia has (or had) a '63 R1 Cruiser with an engine number just one after mine.

About a month ago I looked at a '64 GT Hawk at a local Stude meet that had serial number 64V-20170--built on the last day South Bend built Lark-types and Hawks. This car is only 32 cars from that last red Daytona Hardtop that's in the SNM.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 R1 Lark Daytona Skytop

Bill Pressler
09-05-2006, 06:42 AM
This thread is interesting to me. I always look at serial numbers of any '63 V8 cars I see, to see how close it may have been in production to mine. I haven't looked at any that are very close, unfortunately. I have seen in the Jet Thrust News, that a fellow in Georgia has (or had) a '63 R1 Cruiser with an engine number just one after mine.

About a month ago I looked at a '64 GT Hawk at a local Stude meet that had serial number 64V-20170--built on the last day South Bend built Lark-types and Hawks. This car is only 32 cars from that last red Daytona Hardtop that's in the SNM.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 R1 Lark Daytona Skytop

8E45E
09-05-2006, 10:19 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Bill Pressler

This thread is interesting to me. I always look at serial numbers of any '63 V8 cars I see, to see how close it may have been in production to mine.

I've checked the serial #'s of 1966 models just to see how close to the end of production each one is as I also have a late '66. When I was in South Bend in 1988, there was a white '66 Commander 4 door sedan that was only four serial numbers apart from mine.

Craig.

8E45E
09-05-2006, 10:19 AM
[quote]Originally posted by Bill Pressler

This thread is interesting to me. I always look at serial numbers of any '63 V8 cars I see, to see how close it may have been in production to mine.

I've checked the serial #'s of 1966 models just to see how close to the end of production each one is as I also have a late '66. When I was in South Bend in 1988, there was a white '66 Commander 4 door sedan that was only four serial numbers apart from mine.

Craig.

tstclr
09-05-2006, 12:11 PM
So, if I am to understand correctly, there are 432 six cylinder Larks between this car and mine, but there could be a total of say 800 cars if you include ALL Larks built at SB, right?

Todd




63 Lark 2dr Sedan

tstclr
09-05-2006, 12:11 PM
So, if I am to understand correctly, there are 432 six cylinder Larks between this car and mine, but there could be a total of say 800 cars if you include ALL Larks built at SB, right?

Todd




63 Lark 2dr Sedan

BobPalma
09-05-2006, 08:27 PM
quote:Originally posted by tstclr

So, if I am to understand correctly, there are 432 six cylinder Larks between this car and mine, but there could be a total of say 800 cars if you include ALL Larks built at SB, right?

Todd
63 Lark 2dr Sedan


I'm not sure what you mean, Todd. As an example, there were two cars built with a sequential Serial Number of, say 15565. There would have been a 63V15565 built, and a 63S15565 built; comprehend? Because they built more sixes than eights, chances are excellent that 63S15565 was built before 63V15565.

So if your car is, say, 63S15565 and the car you are looking at is a 63V car that is 432 numbers higher than your 63S car, it would be all but impossible to know how many cars, mixed six and V-8, were built between the two.

(Hope this is understandable.) :) BP

BobPalma
09-05-2006, 08:27 PM
quote:Originally posted by tstclr

So, if I am to understand correctly, there are 432 six cylinder Larks between this car and mine, but there could be a total of say 800 cars if you include ALL Larks built at SB, right?

Todd
63 Lark 2dr Sedan


I'm not sure what you mean, Todd. As an example, there were two cars built with a sequential Serial Number of, say 15565. There would have been a 63V15565 built, and a 63S15565 built; comprehend? Because they built more sixes than eights, chances are excellent that 63S15565 was built before 63V15565.

So if your car is, say, 63S15565 and the car you are looking at is a 63V car that is 432 numbers higher than your 63S car, it would be all but impossible to know how many cars, mixed six and V-8, were built between the two.

(Hope this is understandable.) :) BP

tstclr
09-06-2006, 05:51 AM
Both cars are 63S' What I mean is that if the 8 cylinder cars and 6 cylinder cars were built on the same line (and I assume they were), there could be 400 or so V8 cars built in between my car and the one on Ebay. So, instead of my car being approx 400 cars away from this one, it could have been 800 cars away. Now I'm confusing myself!
:D
Todd

63 Lark 2dr Sedan

tstclr
09-06-2006, 05:51 AM
Both cars are 63S' What I mean is that if the 8 cylinder cars and 6 cylinder cars were built on the same line (and I assume they were), there could be 400 or so V8 cars built in between my car and the one on Ebay. So, instead of my car being approx 400 cars away from this one, it could have been 800 cars away. Now I'm confusing myself!
:D
Todd

63 Lark 2dr Sedan

BobPalma
09-06-2006, 07:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by tstclr

Both cars are 63S' What I mean is that if the 8 cylinder cars and 6 cylinder cars were built on the same line (and I assume they were), there could be 400 or so V8 cars built in between my car and the one on Ebay. So, instead of my car being approx 400 cars away from this one, it could have been 800 cars away. Now I'm confusing myself!
:D
Todd

63 Lark 2dr Sedan


Yep. BP

BobPalma
09-06-2006, 07:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by tstclr

Both cars are 63S' What I mean is that if the 8 cylinder cars and 6 cylinder cars were built on the same line (and I assume they were), there could be 400 or so V8 cars built in between my car and the one on Ebay. So, instead of my car being approx 400 cars away from this one, it could have been 800 cars away. Now I'm confusing myself!
:D
Todd

63 Lark 2dr Sedan


Yep. BP