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vegas paul
05-04-2007, 07:06 PM
I'm rewiring my Champion, and I'm in the middle of doing the "behind the dash" wiring. I've never seen so many square-headed nuts (#10 x 32) in my life, used for wiring terminals. Makes it very hard to take off/put on the nuts since they are so close together. Did they do this to keep the mechanical guys (with mechanic's tools) away from the electrical stuff during assembly/repair? The assembly and repair staff must have had some sort of square socket to deal with so many of these.

I'm tempted upon reassembly to substitute normal hex #10 x 32 nuts. Anyone else see a problem with this?

Anyway, rewiring is going well, and with any luck some of the car will work upon first attempt after I'm done.

By the way, while the instrument cluster is out, I'd like to do some internal clean-up inside the glass. Any suggestions on how to do this?

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
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JDP
05-04-2007, 07:49 PM
I had no idea that they were not hex, are you sure they were not swapped at some point ?

JDP/Maryland

64 Commander
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

vegas paul
05-04-2007, 07:53 PM
Could have been swappped by PO, but the harness is original (deteriorating cloth insualtion, frayed copper showing everywhere - amazing it ran until now). Nothing else looks swapped out behind the dash. I can't imagine why any PO would swap these, but I just bought a box of hex #10 x 32's and they're going in. My fingers are all cut up from manually twisting these sharp square nuts off.

JDP - do you have any suggestions about cleaning up the speedo and guage displays? I'm going to take apart the insturment panel tomorrow, and clean the inside glass, and shake out some of the dust. The black background for the instruments has some discoloration and/or rust (strange, since the entire car is rust-free). I want to spiff this up while I have everything apart.

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
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Roscomacaw
05-04-2007, 07:58 PM
Yeah, I've never heard of such myself! Of course, hex will do fine.

"By the way, while the instrument cluster is out, I'd like to do some internal clean-up inside the glass. Any suggestions on how to do this?"

CAREFULLY! Be careful not to touch the faces of the instruments, it could cause the color to deteriorate or discolor over time. I HAVE taken one of these clusters apart and sucessfully reassembled it, Just be slow and meticulous about it. There may be some paper gaskets between glass(es) and case that will turn to itty bitty pieces when distrubed. Are you good and cutting out paper dollies???[}:)]


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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

JDP
05-04-2007, 08:36 PM
Speaking of hex nuts, if anyone needs them, I bought a 1000 10x32 nuts on ebay and that might be more then I need.:)

JDP/Maryland

64 Commander
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
05-04-2007, 08:37 PM
Speaking of hex nuts, if anyone needs them, I bought a 1000 10x32 nuts on ebay and that might be more then I need.:)

JDP/Maryland

64 Commander
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

rockne10
05-04-2007, 10:03 PM
John,
Do not let your nuts go to waste. You may feel you don't need them now but the time will come when you will wish you used them more.[:o)]

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://www.4wheelz.net/virtual/images/rockne/1928_rockne03_f820_th.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

vegas paul
05-05-2007, 10:16 AM
Sounds like one of my staff meetings... start out with a serious topic and in 5 minutes somebody's bragging about how much "nuts" they've got! Thanks for the warnings/advice. I'm going to try to get some of the collected dirt/dust out of the instrument cluster. I'll try camel hair brush and I'll wear gloves so I won't leave any oils as Mr. Biggs suggests. Sounds like a CSI job...

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
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chocolate turkey
05-05-2007, 10:35 AM
The last wiring job I did was on a '51 Commander. All the nuts on the back of the guages were hex nuts as they should be.

Brian

Brian K. Curtis

curt
05-06-2007, 06:02 PM
I think there was a time when four sided nuts were the standard in hardware. I have no idea if 4,6,or,8 sided nuts were or were not used as original equipment under your dash. I do know a Model A man who needed SOME 4 sided nuts in a restoration to be authentic.

dictator27
05-07-2007, 01:09 PM
All the nuts in the body of my 27 Dictator are square. All the mechanical stuff is hex. I think they stopped using square hardware when they went to all steel bodies. Incidentally, you would not believe how hard it is to get a slotted head screw out of an 80 year old piece of wood suffering from terminal dryrot.

Terry

HookedonStudies
05-07-2007, 11:10 PM
Square nuts were easier and cheaper (less expensive) to stamp out. Most likely thats why they were used in many applications.

55 Commander
58 Transtar
62 GT Hawk
66 Cruiser