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  • #1

    And the perverbial Paxton bottom fell out

    Well as the subject suggests, my poor Paxton supercharger on my 64 Commander has been slowly giving up its ghost over the past three days. Its been on my daily driver for the past 3-4 years It usually ran with a gentle *chuff* and a slight wheeze when you got into it. But it has become a low drone to a howl. Of course I couldnt here it because I had the radio on. To those who are going tsk tsk tsk about the radio, I have no stereo and I dont usually have the radio up over a quarter, lol. Its a very low but barely noticeable whine. So I pulled the belt off and turned the pulley. I can't turn it smoothly, its a lock-turn-lock-turn like I gotta square bearing.
    So I figure, anybody have a line to a good supercharger that came from a running car. The one on there now will of course need a rebuild, but I would like a second unit in the meantime. I will be looking around at South Bend next weekend as well. I will be around there Friday afternoon through the end of the meet. I know about Paradise Wheels, Lionel Stone, T-bow, etc. I was wondering on a whim if anybody had a good, used, usable unit for maybe less than 600 dollars? I would like to get this ol' girl the rest of her groove back maybe before the Nationals in June. Email is on my profile. I'm probably shooting for the moon, buts its worth a shot, lol


    1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
    1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
    [img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
    [img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
    [img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
    [img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]
    1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
    1963 Studebaker Daytona Hardtop with no engine or transmission
    1950 Studebaker 2R5 w/170 six cylinder and 3spd OD
    1955 Studebaker Commander Hardtop w/289 and 3spd OD and Megasquirt port fuel injection(among other things)
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  • #2
    I keep kicking around the spare parts vs just fixing things also. Its
    always seem to be the best money to just fix the broken part, rather
    than get a second. Usually the second needs to be fixed also, or it
    needs it shortly after being installed.

    Tom

    '63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires
    '63 Avanti R1, '03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves.
    Check out my disc brake adapters to install 1994-2004 Mustang disc brakes on your Studebaker!!
    http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...bracket-update
    I have also written many TECH how to articles, do a search for my Forum name to find them

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    • #3
      I keep kicking around the spare parts vs just fixing things also. Its
      always seem to be the best money to just fix the broken part, rather
      than get a second. Usually the second needs to be fixed also, or it
      needs it shortly after being installed.

      Tom

      '63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: 97 Z28 T-56 6-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires
      '63 Avanti R1, '03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves.
      Check out my disc brake adapters to install 1994-2004 Mustang disc brakes on your Studebaker!!
      http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...bracket-update
      I have also written many TECH how to articles, do a search for my Forum name to find them

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      • #4
        Spare parts are always good. I have learned long ago with before I got my 45 amp motorola alternator to have another 35 or 40 amp alternator, as they had the lifespan of 6 months. We have a number of power steering pumps, 35 and 40 amp alternators and the various other ordinary items, such as power boosters when they blow. I like having backups and spares for these situations, even if they come from a vendor table for very little, but I myself dont have anything to replace it as a temporary. For me this is a highly unusual situation as this doesnt blow as regularly as the ps pumps or the alternators. This will have to get fixed or rebuilt no doubt, but I'd like to get something that I can use for a couple months in the meantime. In short, somebody has something they took off of a car to replace it with a better unit such as a Novi for the SN60, I'd appreciate it.



        1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
        1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
        [img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
        [img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
        [img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
        [img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]
        1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
        1963 Studebaker Daytona Hardtop with no engine or transmission
        1950 Studebaker 2R5 w/170 six cylinder and 3spd OD
        1955 Studebaker Commander Hardtop w/289 and 3spd OD and Megasquirt port fuel injection(among other things)

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        • #5
          Spare parts are always good. I have learned long ago with before I got my 45 amp motorola alternator to have another 35 or 40 amp alternator, as they had the lifespan of 6 months. We have a number of power steering pumps, 35 and 40 amp alternators and the various other ordinary items, such as power boosters when they blow. I like having backups and spares for these situations, even if they come from a vendor table for very little, but I myself dont have anything to replace it as a temporary. For me this is a highly unusual situation as this doesnt blow as regularly as the ps pumps or the alternators. This will have to get fixed or rebuilt no doubt, but I'd like to get something that I can use for a couple months in the meantime. In short, somebody has something they took off of a car to replace it with a better unit such as a Novi for the SN60, I'd appreciate it.



          1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
          1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
          [img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
          [img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
          [img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
          [img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]
          1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
          1963 Studebaker Daytona Hardtop with no engine or transmission
          1950 Studebaker 2R5 w/170 six cylinder and 3spd OD
          1955 Studebaker Commander Hardtop w/289 and 3spd OD and Megasquirt port fuel injection(among other things)

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          • #6
            There's one on ebay now 320107690456 item number less than a day to go.
            ErnieR

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            • #7
              There's one on ebay now 320107690456 item number less than a day to go.
              ErnieR

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              • #8
                It might be worth taking apart and looking for the problem. I have seen balls that spaule(sp) and the center race is ok. If that would be the problem you could be back on the road for less than $20. Lon shot but worh looking.

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                • #9
                  It might be worth taking apart and looking for the problem. I have seen balls that spaule(sp) and the center race is ok. If that would be the problem you could be back on the road for less than $20. Lon shot but worh looking.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for the ideas guys. I think I got it somewhat under control. I have another paxton that I managed to get on it today whilest I get this one rebuilt. Its got a problem that feels like it may need more than a couple shots of WD-40 and a slap on the rear . Something has come apart inside with the way it turns, so I'll have to run down a rebuild kit in SB. It just feels good, even temporarily to be able to keep pace with traffic again, lol.


                    1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
                    1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
                    [img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
                    [img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
                    [img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
                    [img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]
                    1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
                    1963 Studebaker Daytona Hardtop with no engine or transmission
                    1950 Studebaker 2R5 w/170 six cylinder and 3spd OD
                    1955 Studebaker Commander Hardtop w/289 and 3spd OD and Megasquirt port fuel injection(among other things)

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                    • #11
                      Thanks for the ideas guys. I think I got it somewhat under control. I have another paxton that I managed to get on it today whilest I get this one rebuilt. Its got a problem that feels like it may need more than a couple shots of WD-40 and a slap on the rear . Something has come apart inside with the way it turns, so I'll have to run down a rebuild kit in SB. It just feels good, even temporarily to be able to keep pace with traffic again, lol.


                      1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
                      1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
                      [img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
                      [img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
                      [img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
                      [img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]
                      1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
                      1963 Studebaker Daytona Hardtop with no engine or transmission
                      1950 Studebaker 2R5 w/170 six cylinder and 3spd OD
                      1955 Studebaker Commander Hardtop w/289 and 3spd OD and Megasquirt port fuel injection(among other things)

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                      • #12
                        The supercharger that was on Ebay: 320107690456, was an "MS". It's drilled for only an Avanti style side mount. I don't think the existing holes allow "reclocking" to get the volute in the right position for a Lark/Hawk setup, either. Of course more holes could be drilled; but there are people looking for an original "MS" for their Avanti's. I've seen "SN" units with extra holes filled with bondo; to make them look like "MS" types.
                        "ML" Paxton's were made for the Lark/Hawk mounts. There was one of those, listed on Ebay as for a Golden Hawk, a week or so ago. I don't think it met reserve.
                        As far as I know, the only differences between the two, MS/ML, is what mounting holes are drilled, and the pulley.
                        Mike

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                        • #13
                          The supercharger that was on Ebay: 320107690456, was an "MS". It's drilled for only an Avanti style side mount. I don't think the existing holes allow "reclocking" to get the volute in the right position for a Lark/Hawk setup, either. Of course more holes could be drilled; but there are people looking for an original "MS" for their Avanti's. I've seen "SN" units with extra holes filled with bondo; to make them look like "MS" types.
                          "ML" Paxton's were made for the Lark/Hawk mounts. There was one of those, listed on Ebay as for a Golden Hawk, a week or so ago. I don't think it met reserve.
                          As far as I know, the only differences between the two, MS/ML, is what mounting holes are drilled, and the pulley.
                          Mike

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                          • #14
                            Hi,
                            as bad as it feels I would just put up with the car without the blower till it comes back rebuilt. The car will work OK but may use a little more fuel without the blower on the car. You might even be able to here the radio for a change instead of that wonderful person whistling under the bonnet....

                            Those blowers need to used and a rebuilt one that has sat incorrectly on the shelf for a few years may end up blowing the ball race as well.

                            I would treat any so called rebuilt or working blower as suspect anyway that wa sold loose, unless it came with pedigree from a known rebuilder of these items.

                            Those blowers are very reliable if rebuilt correctly and serviced well.

                            Regards
                            Greg

                            Greg Diffen
                            Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

                            1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
                            1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
                            1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
                            1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
                            1988 Avanti Convertible
                            Greg Diffen

                            Editor Studebaker Owners Club UK magazine

                            Australian Stude guy living in Warwick, United Kingdom

                            1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 delivered new in the Netherlands
                            1937 Dictator sedan Australian Body by TJ Richards RHC
                            1937 Packard Super 8 Limousine UK delivered RHC
                            1939 Packard Super 8 Seven Passenger sedan monster UK delivered RHC
                            1939 Commander Cabriolet by Lagenthal of Switzerland
                            1963 Lark Daytona Hardtop
                            1988 Avanti Convertible

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                            • #15
                              Hi,
                              as bad as it feels I would just put up with the car without the blower till it comes back rebuilt. The car will work OK but may use a little more fuel without the blower on the car. You might even be able to here the radio for a change instead of that wonderful person whistling under the bonnet....

                              Those blowers need to used and a rebuilt one that has sat incorrectly on the shelf for a few years may end up blowing the ball race as well.

                              I would treat any so called rebuilt or working blower as suspect anyway that wa sold loose, unless it came with pedigree from a known rebuilder of these items.

                              Those blowers are very reliable if rebuilt correctly and serviced well.

                              Regards
                              Greg

                              Greg Diffen
                              Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom

                              1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
                              1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
                              1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
                              1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
                              1988 Avanti Convertible
                              Greg Diffen

                              Editor Studebaker Owners Club UK magazine

                              Australian Stude guy living in Warwick, United Kingdom

                              1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 delivered new in the Netherlands
                              1937 Dictator sedan Australian Body by TJ Richards RHC
                              1937 Packard Super 8 Limousine UK delivered RHC
                              1939 Packard Super 8 Seven Passenger sedan monster UK delivered RHC
                              1939 Commander Cabriolet by Lagenthal of Switzerland
                              1963 Lark Daytona Hardtop
                              1988 Avanti Convertible

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