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mapman
04-25-2007, 09:57 PM
I am going to look at a 64 champ that is "Partially restored" and running. Any suggestions on special problems to look for (i.e. Avanti hog troughs). Don't know anything else about it. A friend called to tell me about it. I am just looking for something to drive and play with and don't really want another can o'worms. I'll get Pictures if posible.
Thanks
Rob

PlainBrownR2
04-26-2007, 12:56 AM
Bring something with a magnet in the tip. Run it along the body. Paint can hide areas where whether Bondo is in small quantities to fill small impressions. Bondo can also be used in place where it was literally injected molded to fill large areas or close gaps that have been literally gone or rusted out. These areas may also look like they will have waves in the paint or body. You should also check to see the cab corners are solid, that there are no holes. There should also be a bed that are no rust holes, and the bed is solid. Either of these areas should not have rust or Bondo.
The engine should not have excessive clatter. Excessive clatter, of course, could meant lots, but one of the biggest is ping, rod knock, or the solid lifters are not set or gapped. Excessive blue smoke is burning oil, excessive black is running too rich,and excessive white smoke means cooling.
These are probably a couple, at least, some of the bigger ones. Look it over pretty good, listen to it pretty good. Rather than go into the specifics, it sounds like we might be off to a pretty somewhat pretty good start. We might also need further details on whatever else is out out of sorts ;). Other than that, we may need some sort of pictures before going nuts :). I know I do.



1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]

PlainBrownR2
04-26-2007, 12:56 AM
Bring something with a magnet in the tip. Run it along the body. Paint can hide areas where whether Bondo is in small quantities to fill small impressions. Bondo can also be used in place where it was literally injected molded to fill large areas or close gaps that have been literally gone or rusted out. These areas may also look like they will have waves in the paint or body. You should also check to see the cab corners are solid, that there are no holes. There should also be a bed that are no rust holes, and the bed is solid. Either of these areas should not have rust or Bondo.
The engine should not have excessive clatter. Excessive clatter, of course, could meant lots, but one of the biggest is ping, rod knock, or the solid lifters are not set or gapped. Excessive blue smoke is burning oil, excessive black is running too rich,and excessive white smoke means cooling.
These are probably a couple, at least, some of the bigger ones. Look it over pretty good, listen to it pretty good. Rather than go into the specifics, it sounds like we might be off to a pretty somewhat pretty good start. We might also need further details on whatever else is out out of sorts ;). Other than that, we may need some sort of pictures before going nuts :). I know I do.



1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00009.jpg?t=1171153019[/img=right]
[img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00002.jpg?t=1171153180[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00005.jpg?t=1171153370[/img=right]

mapman
04-26-2007, 01:21 PM
This is it. v8 4sp http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s303/dudley-jr/studedownload_0218.jpghttp://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s303/dudley-jr/studedownload_0219.jpg[/img[img]]

mapman
04-26-2007, 01:21 PM
This is it. v8 4sp http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s303/dudley-jr/studedownload_0218.jpghttp://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s303/dudley-jr/studedownload_0219.jpg[/img[img]]

JRoberts
04-26-2007, 03:31 PM
Mapman, I know of a very nice '62 for sale in Wilmington, NC. It is a wonderful truck. If interested email off the forum

Joe Roberts

JRoberts
04-26-2007, 03:31 PM
Mapman, I know of a very nice '62 for sale in Wilmington, NC. It is a wonderful truck. If interested email off the forum

Joe Roberts

mapman
04-27-2007, 12:35 AM
I'm looking a little closer to home. This one turned up about a half mile away. It would be an adventure though, driving 3000 miles in an old Champ. I'm in North Idaho.
Rob

mapman
04-27-2007, 12:35 AM
I'm looking a little closer to home. This one turned up about a half mile away. It would be an adventure though, driving 3000 miles in an old Champ. I'm in North Idaho.
Rob

arkiejazz
04-27-2007, 12:56 PM
[:o)]It doesn't look too bad. What did the floors look like? Be sure to pay close attention at the areas around the body mounts under the cab floor. Do they have the front bumper? Asking price makes a big difference. I can tell you that you're NOT going to enjoy any long cruises with a 4spd set up.....the engine will turn too many RPM's. About 50-55 mph to be safe. Pictures appear to be a 6 1/2 foot bed, right? Again, it's all about price on one like that. If you get it, ditch those reverse rims. That's going to make it steer like a John Deere Tractor.[:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

arkiejazz
04-27-2007, 12:56 PM
[:o)]It doesn't look too bad. What did the floors look like? Be sure to pay close attention at the areas around the body mounts under the cab floor. Do they have the front bumper? Asking price makes a big difference. I can tell you that you're NOT going to enjoy any long cruises with a 4spd set up.....the engine will turn too many RPM's. About 50-55 mph to be safe. Pictures appear to be a 6 1/2 foot bed, right? Again, it's all about price on one like that. If you get it, ditch those reverse rims. That's going to make it steer like a John Deere Tractor.[:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

mapman
04-27-2007, 02:34 PM
The floors had been replaced, patches welded in. it does have the short bed. bumpers are gone. I still haven't talked to the owner. I'm trying to decide what to offer. If I get it the 63 cruiser will have to go.
Rob

mapman
04-27-2007, 02:34 PM
The floors had been replaced, patches welded in. it does have the short bed. bumpers are gone. I still haven't talked to the owner. I'm trying to decide what to offer. If I get it the 63 cruiser will have to go.
Rob

studeclunker
04-27-2007, 02:38 PM
My, isn't it... red. A nice looking truck all round. Looks like they did a good job on it. Does it come with bumpers?

Hey, Steve, shouldn't that Studebaker lettering be mounted on the bottom of the grille? Didn't they offer a chromed front bumper for the '64s?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

studeclunker
04-27-2007, 02:38 PM
My, isn't it... red. A nice looking truck all round. Looks like they did a good job on it. Does it come with bumpers?

Hey, Steve, shouldn't that Studebaker lettering be mounted on the bottom of the grille? Didn't they offer a chromed front bumper for the '64s?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Guido
04-27-2007, 09:59 PM
Ron,

The Studebaker name plate that you see at the botton of the grille is off the side of a R series truck hood.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
04-27-2007, 09:59 PM
Ron,

The Studebaker name plate that you see at the botton of the grille is off the side of a R series truck hood.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive).

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

arkiejazz
04-28-2007, 12:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker

My, isn't it... red. A nice looking truck all round. Looks like they did a good job on it. Does it come with bumpers?

Hey, Steve, shouldn't that Studebaker lettering be mounted on the bottom of the grille? Didn't they offer a chromed front bumper for the '64s?


Ron, I hadn't even noticed that lettering below the grill. Gary's right, that shouldn't even be on the Champ. And, as far as I know, Studebaker never offered a chromed front bumper on the Champs. Alot of us have had front bumpers chromed for them though.[:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

arkiejazz
04-28-2007, 12:14 AM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker

My, isn't it... red. A nice looking truck all round. Looks like they did a good job on it. Does it come with bumpers?

Hey, Steve, shouldn't that Studebaker lettering be mounted on the bottom of the grille? Didn't they offer a chromed front bumper for the '64s?


Ron, I hadn't even noticed that lettering below the grill. Gary's right, that shouldn't even be on the Champ. And, as far as I know, Studebaker never offered a chromed front bumper on the Champs. Alot of us have had front bumpers chromed for them though.[:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

studeclunker
04-28-2007, 01:07 AM
quote:Ron, I hadn't even noticed that lettering below the grill. Gary's right, that shouldn't even be on the Champ. And, as far as I know, Studebaker never offered a chromed front bumper on the Champs. Alot of us have had front bumpers chromed for them though.


Ah, that explains it. Wasnt there Studebaker script on the grille for the '64 Champ? I've seen so many Champs (in the show and club meet pictures) with chromed bumpers, I thought it really was an option. Go figure, huh?

Well, the paint job, assuming it's quality, would be worth a few thou alone. The floors add value, as would a reupholstried seat. The question is; why did the current owner do all this and just quit like he has? The truck is probably drivable now, it's the time to enjoy, not sell. Something doesn't feel right about this. Go carefully.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

studeclunker
04-28-2007, 01:07 AM
quote:Ron, I hadn't even noticed that lettering below the grill. Gary's right, that shouldn't even be on the Champ. And, as far as I know, Studebaker never offered a chromed front bumper on the Champs. Alot of us have had front bumpers chromed for them though.


Ah, that explains it. Wasnt there Studebaker script on the grille for the '64 Champ? I've seen so many Champs (in the show and club meet pictures) with chromed bumpers, I thought it really was an option. Go figure, huh?

Well, the paint job, assuming it's quality, would be worth a few thou alone. The floors add value, as would a reupholstried seat. The question is; why did the current owner do all this and just quit like he has? The truck is probably drivable now, it's the time to enjoy, not sell. Something doesn't feel right about this. Go carefully.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?