Mike Van V's thread about "frame off" reminded me of one that puzzles me. I frequently see "needs restored". I could understand "needs to be restored" or "needs restoration". Where does this come from?
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Originally posted by ddub View PostMike Van V's thread about "frame off" reminded me of one that puzzles me. I frequently see "needs restored". I could understand "needs to be restored" or "needs restoration". Where does this come from?
nate
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Originally posted by 65cruiser View PostHow about "ran when parked". Isn't that obvious?
You're right about 'needs restored', Don. Just poor use of the language. There's plenty of these, like 'changed out' in place of 'changed', or 'once and a while' in place of 'once in a while'. Kind of like Hendrix' "Scuse me, while I kiss this guy"
Of course, none of it's any crime. Just how it is, I guess.Proud NON-CASO
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Man oh man, the cabin fever must be starting early this year. It will be a bloodbath here by February.Jim
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How about the seller's line "easy restoration." I've done difficult and I've done impossible, but there is no such animal as an easy restoration. If it was easy, the seller would already have done it and the car would be on Barrett-Jackson.
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The verb "to be" does not exist in Pennsylvania grammar..... I have to deal with this on a regular basis, my wife being from Johnstown.... Myself, having been schooled in New York by Nuns and having a ruler smashed over my knuckles for the slightest infraction, the correct grammar has been indelibly ingrained. I chuckle at most 'country speak' and imagine that Sister Eugene and her 36" wooden Samurai will show up, whenever it's heard in company...
Further, "yun'z" is Pennsylvania speak for "y'all. ( you, all - inclusive, plural) ......64 GT Hawk (K7)
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Originally posted by 64V-K7 View PostThe verb "to be" does not exist in Pennsylvania grammar..... I have to deal with this on a regular basis, my wife being from Johnstown.... Myself, having been schooled in New York by Nuns and having a ruler smashed over my knuckles for the slightest infraction, the correct grammar has been indelibly ingrained. I chuckle at most 'country speak' and imagine that Sister Eugene and her 36" wooden Samurai will show up, whenever it's heard in company...
Further, "yun'z" is Pennsylvania speak for "y'all. ( you, all - inclusive, plural) ......
Back to the thread topic: I always figured "needs restored" was a way to save money on a classified ad. But I see it used so much today and from reading some descriptions I have begun to wonder if they really mean "It's needs have been restored." IE: Where it was needed, we restored it. (It needed paint and upholstery, we restored that part.)KURTRUK
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Actually, the construct is correct. It is called "passive voice", and is probably a left-over from the low German that was spoken by many Pennsylvanian German immigrants. The actual definition is:
"In passive constructions, the word which would logically be the object under a corresponding active construction functions as the grammatical subject, while the logical subject either is absent or is represented in a prepositional phrase"
In English, it is archaic, but is still correct. Needs is the verb and restored is the object. The "it" is the logical subject, and the "to be" is logically absent. Go find Sister Eugene and smack her with her own yardstick. Restored is used as a gerund.
Forgot to add, it is in future perfect tense.
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Originally posted by PackardV8 View PostHow about the seller's line "easy restoration." I've done difficult and I've done impossible, but there is no such animal as an easy restoration. If it was easy, the seller would already have done it and the car would be on Barrett-Jackson.Proud NON-CASO
I do not prize the word "cheap." It is not a badge of honor...it is a symbol of despair. ~ William McKinley
If it is decreed that I should go down, then let me go down linked with the truth - let me die in the advocacy of what is just and right.- Lincoln
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Ephesians 6:10-17
Romans 15:13
Deuteronomy 31:6
Proverbs 28:1
Illegitimi non carborundum
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Originally posted by 64V-K7 View PostThe verb "to be" does not exist in Pennsylvania grammar..... I have to deal with this on a regular basis, my wife being from Johnstown.... Myself, having been schooled in New York by Nuns and having a ruler smashed over my knuckles for the slightest infraction, the correct grammar has been indelibly ingrained. I chuckle at most 'country speak' and imagine that Sister Eugene and her 36" wooden Samurai will show up, whenever it's heard in company...
Further, "yun'z" is Pennsylvania speak for "y'all. ( you, all - inclusive, plural) ......Ron Dame
'63 Champ
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