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Studemobile
04-11-2007, 10:07 AM
I may finally be in a position to purchase a Studebaker. I'm not comfortable with the Ebay format and am searching other avenues. Is there any info on the web that outlines the proceedure for purchasing/shipping a vehicle sight unseen form a distance? How can I protect myself from getting ripped off?
I suppose I could try to find a member of the Studebaker Drivers club to look at a vehicle but then what?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Stu

Scott
04-11-2007, 10:33 AM
You would be safest buying from a known dealer like JDP who posts here quite a lot, but there many Studebaker guys willing to look a car over for you of it's in their area. It also depends on how much you want to spend. I know of a beautiful 1957 Silver Hawk with 6 cyl engine for sale in my area and it's very nice, but about $14K.

What kind of Studebaker are you looking for?

Scott
04-11-2007, 10:33 AM
You would be safest buying from a known dealer like JDP who posts here quite a lot, but there many Studebaker guys willing to look a car over for you of it's in their area. It also depends on how much you want to spend. I know of a beautiful 1957 Silver Hawk with 6 cyl engine for sale in my area and it's very nice, but about $14K.

What kind of Studebaker are you looking for?

JDP
04-11-2007, 10:51 AM
I don't know what to tell you. I buy a few dozen Studebakers a year off ebay and Craig's list. I get lots of pictures, some times speak to the owner on the phone to get me in my comfort zone, but that's it. I'd guess maybe 1 out of 20 are less then I expected, many more are better. Most of the classic car dealers make a living off cautious buyers that want the security of buying from a "dealer". I once bought a Studebaker GT from a private party on Craig's list for 6K, did some detailing and resold it on ebay for 9K to a dealer with a showroom. I later spoke to the new owner that bought the car for 2K off the 23K showroom list price.
I get a lot of bargains by by taking a risk, but you may not be comfortable doing that. You can have a SDC member nearby check out a car, but I've seen even that backfire. If it's a nice car and priced fairly, I don't have time to do that since someone else will jump on the car. i.e. I just bought a 53 Starliner a few hours after it hit Craig's list and while a dozen lookers were waiting for more pictures or to look at the car.
If you find a car you like, post info and pictures here (but not the actual ad) and we'll nit pick it, or someone nearby may look it over.

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
04-11-2007, 10:51 AM
I don't know what to tell you. I buy a few dozen Studebakers a year off ebay and Craig's list. I get lots of pictures, some times speak to the owner on the phone to get me in my comfort zone, but that's it. I'd guess maybe 1 out of 20 are less then I expected, many more are better. Most of the classic car dealers make a living off cautious buyers that want the security of buying from a "dealer". I once bought a Studebaker GT from a private party on Craig's list for 6K, did some detailing and resold it on ebay for 9K to a dealer with a showroom. I later spoke to the new owner that bought the car for 2K off the 23K showroom list price.
I get a lot of bargains by by taking a risk, but you may not be comfortable doing that. You can have a SDC member nearby check out a car, but I've seen even that backfire. If it's a nice car and priced fairly, I don't have time to do that since someone else will jump on the car. i.e. I just bought a 53 Starliner a few hours after it hit Craig's list and while a dozen lookers were waiting for more pictures or to look at the car.
If you find a car you like, post info and pictures here (but not the actual ad) and we'll nit pick it, or someone nearby may look it over.

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JBOYLE
04-11-2007, 10:53 AM
I found my Avanti from an old Hemmings online ad.
Spoke with the seller in Indiana by phone & through email...with several photos.
Then in a very lucky break, I contacted the state president of the Avanti Owners Association International and asked if he could recommend someone who could look at the car in South Bend.
He said he'd be glad to do it since he was going there that weekend for the opening of the Studebaker museum.

His subsequent recommendation ...and more photos...gave me the confidence to buy the car long distance. He even suggested a counter offer to the asking price...which the seller accepted.

Bottom line:
If the car is rare enough, you might [u]have</u> to buy long distance,
or if it's cheap enough, you don't have much to lose.
Otherwise, do your research.And SDC or other club members are willing to help.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
04-11-2007, 10:53 AM
I found my Avanti from an old Hemmings online ad.
Spoke with the seller in Indiana by phone & through email...with several photos.
Then in a very lucky break, I contacted the state president of the Avanti Owners Association International and asked if he could recommend someone who could look at the car in South Bend.
He said he'd be glad to do it since he was going there that weekend for the opening of the Studebaker museum.

His subsequent recommendation ...and more photos...gave me the confidence to buy the car long distance. He even suggested a counter offer to the asking price...which the seller accepted.

Bottom line:
If the car is rare enough, you might [u]have</u> to buy long distance,
or if it's cheap enough, you don't have much to lose.
Otherwise, do your research.And SDC or other club members are willing to help.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

Studemobile
04-11-2007, 10:59 AM
Determining the condition of the vehicle is a concern but how can I protect myself from sending someone a money order for $6000 and having them walk off with it?

Studemobile
04-11-2007, 10:59 AM
Determining the condition of the vehicle is a concern but how can I protect myself from sending someone a money order for $6000 and having them walk off with it?

geojerry
04-11-2007, 11:06 AM
I bought both my 78 Avanti II and 63 GT Hawk from existing SDC members who advertised these cars on a Web site. Flew out to Las Vegas from Ft. Lauderdale to see the Avanti in person ( and vacation for a few days on the strip) and test drive. No issues on any of these. Transportation back to home should be done thru an established carrier who advertises in Hemmings.[8D]

Jerry

geojerry
04-11-2007, 11:06 AM
I bought both my 78 Avanti II and 63 GT Hawk from existing SDC members who advertised these cars on a Web site. Flew out to Las Vegas from Ft. Lauderdale to see the Avanti in person ( and vacation for a few days on the strip) and test drive. No issues on any of these. Transportation back to home should be done thru an established carrier who advertises in Hemmings.[8D]

Jerry

vegas paul
04-11-2007, 11:09 AM
e-bay has essentially an escrow department that holds your money until you have received AND accepted the vehicle, then forwards the money to the seller.

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/graciestude.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/1462673_2_350.jpg

vegas paul
04-11-2007, 11:09 AM
e-bay has essentially an escrow department that holds your money until you have received AND accepted the vehicle, then forwards the money to the seller.

Las Vegas, NV
'51 Champion Business Coupe G899965 10G-Q4-1434
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/graciestude.jpghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/vegas_paul/1462673_2_350.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
04-11-2007, 11:13 AM
quote:Originally posted by Studemobile

Determining the condition of the vehicle is a concern but how can I protect myself from sending someone a money order for $6000 and having them walk off with it?


You can use an escrow service (just like you do when you buy real estate). Most banks provide this service. The bank holds the title and the buyers funds until the car arrives at the buyer.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
04-11-2007, 11:13 AM
quote:Originally posted by Studemobile

Determining the condition of the vehicle is a concern but how can I protect myself from sending someone a money order for $6000 and having them walk off with it?


You can use an escrow service (just like you do when you buy real estate). Most banks provide this service. The bank holds the title and the buyers funds until the car arrives at the buyer.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Studemobile
04-11-2007, 12:09 PM
Vegas Paul & Dick, thanks for the tip, thats good stuff!

Studemobile
04-11-2007, 12:09 PM
Vegas Paul & Dick, thanks for the tip, thats good stuff!

Guido
04-11-2007, 12:20 PM
I have bought numerous Studebakers, farm tractors and crawlers sight unseen from ads or off the internet. In fact, a number of them were from e-bay where the owner had a high opening bid and never got an offer.

I have only had one case where I was uneasy over the transaction, when I bought my '62 Champ in California. Fortunately, I personally know the owner of the trucking company that hauled it back and I sent the payment to his terminal manager in LA who then paid the owner after he saw the truck and title.

Fortunately, I have not been burned thus far. I go on Saturday to pickup a '59 International 4x4 truck I bought last week on e-bay.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
04-11-2007, 12:20 PM
I have bought numerous Studebakers, farm tractors and crawlers sight unseen from ads or off the internet. In fact, a number of them were from e-bay where the owner had a high opening bid and never got an offer.

I have only had one case where I was uneasy over the transaction, when I bought my '62 Champ in California. Fortunately, I personally know the owner of the trucking company that hauled it back and I sent the payment to his terminal manager in LA who then paid the owner after he saw the truck and title.

Fortunately, I have not been burned thus far. I go on Saturday to pickup a '59 International 4x4 truck I bought last week on e-bay.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

studegary
04-11-2007, 12:26 PM
Over the past 20 years, I have bought many vehicles sight unseen (more than those that I have seen). Most of these vehicles were much more expensive than the $6K that you refer to. With used vehicles, there are usually some unknowns that crop up, whether you see the vehicle in advance or not. There are many risks in life. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If the car is not quite what you expect, repair it or resell it (possibly at a loss). An old saying that got me to retire early is; "You can always get another dollar, but you can't get another day." If the car is something that you want, go for it. Where is the car located? If it is within a reasonable distance from me, I will look at it for you. I have done this for others.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
04-11-2007, 12:26 PM
Over the past 20 years, I have bought many vehicles sight unseen (more than those that I have seen). Most of these vehicles were much more expensive than the $6K that you refer to. With used vehicles, there are usually some unknowns that crop up, whether you see the vehicle in advance or not. There are many risks in life. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If the car is not quite what you expect, repair it or resell it (possibly at a loss). An old saying that got me to retire early is; "You can always get another dollar, but you can't get another day." If the car is something that you want, go for it. Where is the car located? If it is within a reasonable distance from me, I will look at it for you. I have done this for others.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

JDP
04-11-2007, 12:27 PM
I never worry about ebay. Ebay pays up to 20K for frauds, including non delivery.( less $100 fee) Info here:


http://pages.motors.ebay.com/services/purchase-protection.html

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
04-11-2007, 12:27 PM
I never worry about ebay. Ebay pays up to 20K for frauds, including non delivery.( less $100 fee) Info here:


http://pages.motors.ebay.com/services/purchase-protection.html

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

pitbulllady
04-11-2007, 01:20 PM
I found both of my Studes on this site: http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com , which is essentially a classified that has ads by both dealers and individuals. I got the '51 from a guy down in Florida, and the '61 from a large new car dealer in Ohio, and I'm in South Carolina. I used EZ Auto Transport to pick up and deliver both, and they were very reasonable and easy to work with. I guess that buying the car from an individual is a much bigger risk, but I felt pretty secure after talking with the guy. I wasn't worried about the dealership, since this is a large GMC-Suzuki dealership that deals with lots of internet sales, on new and pre-owned cars.

pitbulllady

pitbulllady
04-11-2007, 01:20 PM
I found both of my Studes on this site: http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com , which is essentially a classified that has ads by both dealers and individuals. I got the '51 from a guy down in Florida, and the '61 from a large new car dealer in Ohio, and I'm in South Carolina. I used EZ Auto Transport to pick up and deliver both, and they were very reasonable and easy to work with. I guess that buying the car from an individual is a much bigger risk, but I felt pretty secure after talking with the guy. I wasn't worried about the dealership, since this is a large GMC-Suzuki dealership that deals with lots of internet sales, on new and pre-owned cars.

pitbulllady

JDP
04-12-2007, 04:43 PM
Remember my comments about a few long distance buys being a disappointment, but some better then expected ? Well, Sal just took delivery on a ebay GT that I feel is worth much more then the BIN price we paid, just a stunning car with only minor flaws. The small, poor pictures simply did not do justice to the car, but I took the risk buying it. We need to do some work, and a bit of detailing, but it's just a great car. Cars like this make up for the occasional disappointment. I have no idea why the bidding ended so low the first time he listed it and so had to relist with a low BIN. Maybe the non stock R2 hurt the value.
Here's the original listing: (It did not make even 8K the first time)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140096237335

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
04-12-2007, 04:43 PM
Remember my comments about a few long distance buys being a disappointment, but some better then expected ? Well, Sal just took delivery on a ebay GT that I feel is worth much more then the BIN price we paid, just a stunning car with only minor flaws. The small, poor pictures simply did not do justice to the car, but I took the risk buying it. We need to do some work, and a bit of detailing, but it's just a great car. Cars like this make up for the occasional disappointment. I have no idea why the bidding ended so low the first time he listed it and so had to relist with a low BIN. Maybe the non stock R2 hurt the value.
Here's the original listing: (It did not make even 8K the first time)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140096237335

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

52hawk
04-12-2007, 04:56 PM
I've only bought one car off ebay.In some part it was worse than described,but in most aspects it was fine.But I can tell you that 98% of ebayers are very honest.You need good pictures,and information,and as JDP will tell you,you have to do your homework-not just hit the buttons! I would not buy anything if the seller won't answer questions,or if the seller is not available for a phone conversation.


LaSalle,Il
61Hawk

52hawk
04-12-2007, 04:56 PM
I've only bought one car off ebay.In some part it was worse than described,but in most aspects it was fine.But I can tell you that 98% of ebayers are very honest.You need good pictures,and information,and as JDP will tell you,you have to do your homework-not just hit the buttons! I would not buy anything if the seller won't answer questions,or if the seller is not available for a phone conversation.


LaSalle,Il
61Hawk

Swifster
04-12-2007, 05:11 PM
Like Pitbulllady, I bought my Daytona out of the Classic Trader site. Now mine was strickly a roller, but that was what I was looking for. The pictures that were sent were very good and I drove out to CA to towdolly the car home.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/1965_Studebaker_Commander_front198x.jpg

Swifster
04-12-2007, 05:11 PM
Like Pitbulllady, I bought my Daytona out of the Classic Trader site. Now mine was strickly a roller, but that was what I was looking for. The pictures that were sent were very good and I drove out to CA to towdolly the car home.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/1965_Studebaker_Commander_front198x.jpg