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Jackb, can you tell me how you recognize shill bidders? I think that would be very useful to know.Don Wilson, Centralia, WA
40 Champion 4 door*
50 Champion 2 door*
53 Commander K Auto*
53 Commander K overdrive*
55 President Speedster
62 GT 4Speed*
63 Avanti R1*
64 Champ 1/2 ton
* Formerly owned
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This is a very, very nice car. I'm pretty sure it won Best of Division 8 in Glendale. Owner's name is Greg, IIRC. He owns the shop where it was rebuilt. It was at the Lancaster Meet, too. Not sure about the bids, but it's an exceptional Packard Hawk. Any new owner will not be disappointed for the right price.
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Originally posted by ddub View PostJackb, can you tell me how you recognize shill bidders? I think that would be very useful to know.JDP Maryland
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We discussed it just over a week ago:
This is a rare instance where I don't think the price is out of line. There are restorations and restifications (this is the latter, meaning renewed but not stock) of varied levels, and this appears to be at the highest level.
I didn't think the car would do anywhere near the money it's at on eBay, I thought it would end as a no-sale but the high bidder would make a deal aftet the auction was over. I see that the reserve is off at $65K, so it's going to sell.
I have no proof, but I'm betting the bidders are legit in this case. I would also guess the bidders are general enthusiasts, neither Studebaker nor Packard-specific.
It will be interesting to see if anyone has snipe bids ready to fire, and what the final selling price will be.Proud NON-CASO
I do not prize the word "cheap." It is not a badge of honor...it is a symbol of despair. ~ William McKinley
If it is decreed that I should go down, then let me go down linked with the truth - let me die in the advocacy of what is just and right.- Lincoln
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Ephesians 6:10-17
Romans 15:13
Deuteronomy 31:6
Proverbs 28:1
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Well it seems that t***e and f***f have been battling it out since July 14, but I don't think you could call them shills. One thing for sure they are serious car collectors (Private Museums) who just have to have the rarest of the rare in the best condition available, and this car is it.
Most of these type seem to only care that they LOOK correct, they do not necessarily have to be 100% Original, they will except upgrades maybe because they MIGHT actually want to DRIVE them once or twice!
Studebaker enthusiasts? Not a Chance!StudeRich
Second Generation Stude Driver,
Proud '54 Starliner Owner
SDC Member Since 1967
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I will simply suggest that the price is out of line and the bidding is suspect. That is plenty for me to "watch" only. At those numbers, I'm not at all a gambler from across the country. It might be this, it might be that.....operative word is "might be". Hey...it's like the economy: It "might be" getting better...but maybe it "might not be"....The stock market "might be" underpriced, but "maybe" its overpriced...??? For someone to pass over that amount of cabbage, on line is beyond my present belief. I humbly suggest that we look at the prices of cars now compared to what folks were saying were "highs" or "great buys" several years ago.....very nice car....
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Hey Rich...a little help here: where/how did you establish that the bidders were museum collectors ??? And wasn't there a guy named Kelly who was buyings Stude to go into showrooms at what I thought was bogus pricing?bidding on eBay ..? Are those cars for sale, or have they been sold...and for what amounts...? Anyone know, or are they the property of you & me (A.K.A. US Govt)......?
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Originally posted by jackb View PostI will simply suggest that the price is out of line and the bidding is suspect. That is plenty for me to "watch" only. At those numbers, I'm not at all a gambler from across the country. It might be this, it might be that.....operative word is "might be". Hey...it's like the economy: It "might be" getting better...but maybe it "might not be"....The stock market "might be" underpriced, but "maybe" its overpriced...??? For someone to pass over that amount of cabbage, on line is beyond my present belief. I humbly suggest that we look at the prices of cars now compared to what folks were saying were "highs" or "great buys" several years ago.....very nice car....
The price is not out of line for what I'd expect from the likes of Barrette Jackson and less then the restoration cost. I'll admit I've been surprised by a 70K M series pickup, not so much for a PH.JDP Maryland
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That must be "396 points" in a modified category, but the seller doesn't state that. It is a nice car, but far from my idea of a "restored" car. In a stock class it would score poorly. I just hope that the bidders know what it is.Gary L.
Wappinger, NY
SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer
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Originally posted by studegary View PostThat must be "396 points" in a modified category, but the seller doesn't state that. It is a nice car, but far from my idea of a "restored" car. In a stock class it would score poorly. I just hope that the bidders know what it is.
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As you can guess, my bid only lasted three days before it was out of range.Last edited by 58PackardWagon; 07-20-2010, 06:33 PM.
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