K&N Air Filter for Avanti

[63RedR3]

Folks - anyone have any experience using the K&N 4600 Air Filter on
an Avanti? Does the unit fit our filter shroud and seat properly? If not any recommendations
on readily available paper alternatives? Not finding the old Fram 181 0r 102's still around.
Thanks

[DEEPNHOCK]

Luber-finer p/n# AF102




And the rest of the '63 Avanti filters...



Should be the same numbers for 'Champ' brand, AC brand, and STP brand.

Note: If you should choose to use the K&N filters, be triple sure you follow their instructions to a "T" about proper oiling and proper drying when servicing.

HTIH
Jeff

[Gunslinger]

I don't know if you have an R1 or R2 but you can check into these applications...

R1...K&N E1230

R1...NAPA #FIL 2180
R2...NAPA #FIL 2112 (two needed)

Years ago I owned both an Avanti R1 and a '64 Pontiac Bonneville...they used the same air and oil filters. When I couldn't find an application for the Avanti I would simply look up the Bonneville's part number and it worked fine.

[Mike Van Veghten]

One persons opinion....K&N (and the like) are for race cars.... Take it for what it may be worth.
They keep a good job of keeping "rocks" out of the intake...but little else.

This is from experience on both bikes AND cars...

Mike

[StudeRich]

Jeff, isn't the listed PF24 OIL FILTER, a shorty filter? Don't they still make the (Fram) PH11 replacement FULL SIZE oil filter for Cadillac, Buick Olds, Studebaker with full flow filter?

[52 Ragtop]

StudeRich,
I just purchased a Fram PH11 for my Avanti a couple weeks ago. Autozone had a "free Oil filter" with 5 qts.

Jim

[StudeRich]

StudeRich,
I just purchased a Fram PH11 for my Avanti a couple weeks ago. Autozone had a "free Oil filter" with 5 qts.
Jim

Thanks Jim, but I have no problem finding a Fram, it's the Luber-finer, Champ, AC or STP that I prefer. I now use NAPA/Wics filters, as I no longer trust the Frams since the several buyouts of Conglomerates, the quality has suffered severely as many here have testified to the low oil press. problems with them.

The problem with Autozones in Washington is there are something like 2 or 3 in the State, NONE in driving distance, and the ONE 35 miles away closed. We have plenty of Schucks/O'Reilly stores to get some things cheaper, but only "popular" items.

[DEEPNHOCK]

The Fram PH11 crosses to a PF24 in Luber-finer, Champ, A/C...
The use of the word 'full size' can be quite misleading.
Full size as compared to what?
What type if media is in there? What contaminant capacity does it have?
From a technical point of view, I have to say the PF24 is the correct filter for the application, according to our engineers, who build the spec's for the oil filters.
If you want a long can, use the PH11.
Jeff

Jeff, isn't the listed PF24 OIL FILTER, a shorty filter? Don't they still make the (Fram) PH11 replacement FULL SIZE oil filter for Cadillac, Buick Olds, Studebaker with full flow filter?

[Gunslinger]

The long oil filter holds a quart of oil...the short filter holds half that. They both fit the same, but the long filter obviously has increased filtering capacity. The short filter was specified for GM cars that had restricted access for the long filter.

[StudeRich]

If it doesn't hold a Quart, it is not full sized as seen on Chevy. and Studebaker filters, they come in short 1/2 to 3/4 Qt. size for clearance on some non-Stude. Engines and full size.

I will have to continue using the NAPA/Wix #1049 full size filters then.

I admit I have not cut one open to see how MUCH filter media is in there, but at least they have the correct oil capacity to fill a Stude. with 6 Quarts, no measuring or guessing!

[DEEPNHOCK]

<lol>.. I know that... Now stop and think for a moment.
When GM , Ford, Chrsler, and the rest need a new filter design, who do they go to....and why?
But equating filter can length and/or canister volume with 'filtering capacity' can be more difficult than you think.
Filters can, and must, be pretty technical.
Filter requirements, and manufacturing technologies change through the years.
You guys stick with whatever pleases you.
I'll just provide good answers, with fact based, information and leave the choosing to y'all.
Jeff

The long oil filter holds a quart of oil...the short filter holds half that. They both fit the same, but the long filter obviously has increased filtering capacity. The short filter was specified for GM cars that had restricted access for the long filter.

[Gunslinger]

I have no idea what oil filter designs and capabilities are based upon for a particular engine. It would seem logical...to me at least...that there should no reason not to simply use one filter for all your engines...outside of maybe the restricted space requirements. That would so simplify manufacturing and inventory requirements. For many, many years, Ford used one filter for all their domestic production. It never made sense to me that within GM, Chevrolet used one design and all the rest of the GM divisions used another. There must be some serious engineering issues I have no idea of that requires so many filters.

Back in the 1970's I worked for JC Penney in one of their auto centers. We carried two lines of oil filters...a standard type oil filter and a double filter (doubling the filtering elements internally). Both were made by Champion Labs. What the advantage of the double filter was when the standard met all manufacturers specifications is still kind of an unanswered question to me. If you change your oil and filter on a regular basis what's the need for the double filter?

It would also seem (to me at least), that oil would take longer to pass through the extra elements in the double filter...in a cold engine that could cause the bypass to open allowing unfiltered oil to be distributed throughout the engine. Maybe I'm wrong in my thinking on that.

Engineering filters is a science in itself it seems.

[MCCAB1]

Another persons opinion. I have used K&N air filters for nearly 20 years now on many different types of vehicles including street, race, and off road. I have had nothing but excellent performance from them. They have kept everything out of my intakes from water,mud, dirt, and sand. And assorted rocks.

Bruce.

[avantir3]

K &amp; N filter.

I use a K&N filter in my R2. I had to shave a small ring oround the top, it was too tall, to mount in in the same place as stock without extending the shaft.
Roland

[63RedR3]

Roland - was that the K&N E1230 filter? I have an R-3 set up so would expect mine to be same as your R-2
Thanks

Steve