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Steve T
05-23-2010, 07:20 PM
As intended ever since I got the build sheet for my Lark from SNM, this past weekend I made my "Sentimental Journey" through the region of Ontario where the car was sold new 48 years ago this month. I'll be sending Art Unger the details shortly for possible use in TW; suffice it to say the trip went very well, Dad (who loves to travel) decided to ride shotgun which was a boon for navigation, we saw plenty of interesting sights, and maybe, just maybe, met the daughter of one of the Lark's early owners...and I got a couple needed parts for the car from the original dealership in the town of Campbellford, even though the dealership is now a carpet store!

And we saw one Stude (besides mine) for sure and another "probable" along the way. Loads of other old cars too. Am going to post a few pix here, if I can figure out how it's done on the new forum...stay tuned...if the test works, will edit the post to add the remainder...

http://s290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Wrecks%20and%20Boneyard%20Finds/K4BC4BF954D5_1000063.jpg
Spot the Stude...I believe this to be a 1926-27 Standard Six. It's in a private military museum collection in southeastern Ontario. I had been there before but never noticed this car in the undergrowth, piled high with bits and pieces of aircraft and other cars...

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Some%20Other%20Studebakers/K4BC4BF954D5_1000362.jpg
More clearcut, here's the other Stude, a '61 Lark VI Deluxe 4dr seen at a timewarp garage near Newtonville en route home. This could be a smalltown ex-Stude dealer's place in the late 60s, eh...

(Tried posting more pix but am having problems so doing. May do so when I've figured the new forum out better...)

Cheers all

S.

Steve T
05-23-2010, 07:57 PM
Hmm, now it seems to be working...going to give a try to posting a few more pix. Will start with the '61 though we saw it later in the day...Aft view, note the excellent original '61-only taillights, and that's Dad in the backgound...there was absolutely no one else around anywhere at this rather ghostly place.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Some%20Other%20Studebakers/K4BC4BF954D5_1000352.jpg

Incredibly, the green Lark was unlocked! Here's the interior. (Like a complete fool I didn't even think to note the serial number.) I admit I sat momentarily behind the wheel for a pic, but thought better of trying my Lark's key in the ignition...so surreal was this place that if the '61 had started with a turn of my key I would not have been wholly surprised!
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Some%20Other%20Studebakers/K4BC4BF954D5_1000365.jpg

Steve T
05-23-2010, 08:08 PM
OK, will now try a couple more of the poor old wreck in the undergrowth. When I first spied it I only thought, "hey, never saw that before" (I had been at this museum several other times); the closer I looked at it, though, the more details seemed familiar: the shape of the grille, the solid-disc wheels, et cetera, all reminded me of Twenties Studes I had seen.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Wrecks%20and%20Boneyard%20Finds/K4BC4BF954D5_1000057.jpg

...And then I saw this. Note what letter that is, embossed on the wheel hub. "S" marks the spot!
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Wrecks%20and%20Boneyard%20Finds/K4BC4BF954D5_1000054.jpg

Sadly I was informed near the end of the trip that the gentleman whose collection this is is seriously ill. Family members share his interest in history, so the museum will likely continue...but derelict items like this car could well come up for disposal. Anyone up for a rescue mission that could someday provide a basis for a Stude resto-mod or hotrod??

S.

Steve T
05-24-2010, 09:39 PM
Bump...Can anyone (Richard Q?) confirm that the car buried in undergrowth and aircraft wreckage is indeed a '26-27 Stude?

Milaca
05-24-2010, 10:23 PM
Nice pictures Steve, thanks for sharing.

dictator27
05-25-2010, 09:26 AM
Steve

The headlights appear to be "acorn" style which were used only in 1927. It is not a Dictator, though. Standard 6/Dictators had demountable rims so the wheel nuts would be around the outer edge of the wheel. On this car they are in close to the hub cap so the wheels are demountable. Also, Dictators did not have the aluminum "collar" between the hub cap and the wheel. These all mean that the car is either a Commander or President. To determine which it is would require looking at the serial number on the frame behind the left front wheel or the body tag on the firewall. (Good luck on both counts on this car.)

Terry
1927 Dictator Custom Sedan
1954 Commander Starliner

studebaker-R2-4-me
05-25-2010, 09:46 AM
Hmm, now it seems to be working...going to give a try to posting a few more pix. Will start with the '61 though we saw it later in the day...Aft view, note the excellent original '61-only taillights, and that's Dad in the backgound...there was absolutely no one else around anywhere at this rather ghostly place.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Some%20Other%20Studebakers/K4BC4BF954D5_1000352.jpg




Incredibly, the green Lark was unlocked! Here's the interior. (Like a complete fool I didn't even think to note the serial number.) I admit I sat momentarily behind the wheel for a pic, but thought better of trying my Lark's key in the ignition...so surreal was this place that if the '61 had started with a turn of my key I would not have been wholly surprised!
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Some%20Other%20Studebakers/K4BC4BF954D5_1000365.jpg


Gee Steve, who would have guessed that was your Father in the background? After all he does have a camera and is taking a picture!

See you at the next cruise night... I finally have my Hawk running and tuned really well.

Allen

kmul221
05-25-2010, 06:21 PM
Elliot Auto is in Newtonville and at one time had a large salvage yard dating from the 20's on up,I salvaged some needed parts for my 51 Camp convertible from one of the many Studebakers residing there.Alas the enviormental agencies got after them & they had to get rid of it all,they closed up shop shortly there after

s2dbkr
05-25-2010, 07:25 PM
Could it be a 1923.
Wheel looks similar ( 6 lugs ) and the raised relief on the front fenders matches.
Mid '20's and later had 5 lug wheels and no raised relief on fenders.

http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Studebaker/1923StudebakerBigSixTouring-a.jpg

Steve T
05-26-2010, 09:28 AM
Thanks for the info on the Stude in the bracken...seems to be a general agreement that it IS a Studebaker, but the year and model seem to be in doubt. I'm quite sure it isn't early 20s: the grille is wider at the bottom than at the top, and the upper part of the shell is very rounded, so that, at least, should be a 1926-27 component. The whole chassis is present under all that garbage and it is quite a long-wheelbase car; I was thinking President at the time, only revising my guess to a Standard Six after looking at a bunch of photos of intact 1926-27 Studes.

Allen, great to hear you've got the Hawk going again. Remember, the Wednesday cruise is now at Burlington Mall rather than Mapleview...south (Prospect St) side of the mall lot. We had nineteen Studes there for Stude Night last week. Incidentally you may or may not know but I am no longer at McMaster...reorganization in A&R saw me and three others let go. Up side of that is I can make pretty much every cruise; down side is obvious...

S.

dictator27
05-26-2010, 01:05 PM
If the radiator core itself has a curved front that makes it a 1925-27 model.

Terry

s2dbkr
05-26-2010, 03:40 PM
Could it be a 1923.
Wheel looks similar ( 6 lugs ) and the raised relief on the front fenders matches.
Mid '20's and later had 5 lug wheels and no raised relief on fenders.

http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Studebaker/1923StudebakerBigSixTouring-a.jpg


I don't think it's '26 / '27.
The headlight spreader bar or stancion is straight, big and beefy, not like the '26 / '27 at all. Also look at the tops of the headlights in the touring '23. The headlight tops have a half moon shape clamp or fastener and if you look at the one in the bush, the passenger headlight has that fastener sticking up.

http://s290.photobucket.com/albums/ll260/StudeSteve/Wrecks%20and%20Boneyard%20Finds/K4BC4BF954D5_1000063.jpg

Here's a '23 showing the grill wider at the bottom and round top.
Mind you this one has spoked wheels.

http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/classic-car-images/studebaker-six.jpg

raprice
05-26-2010, 05:27 PM
That '61 looks to be in remarkable condition. How come no license plates. Maybe you were in the-------------
Twilight Zone.
Rog

silverhawk
05-27-2010, 12:59 AM
Wow, neat pics! Thanks for posting!

And if you ever get the info on the '61, can you forward them to me for the registry? That is a beauty!