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BobPalma
05-19-2010, 11:18 AM
The possibility (but now, maybe not certainty!) of 2010 being the last Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race has been discussed previously. Things are looking up, albeit cautiously. You can follow the goings-on on the Buick V-8 Pure Stock Drags forum:

http://v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=204492

To this end, I today mailed a hard letter to Dan and Bob on behalf of what I am sure is/are almost all members of SDC interested in the matter. (This went out on my SDC Turning Wheels Technical Editor letterhead, so it looks halfway pleasant...)

May 19, 2010
Dan Jensen
Bob Boden
Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race
P.O. Box 341
Tecumseh MI 49286

Hi, Dan and Bob,

Being 64 years old, I’m just old-fashioned enough to want to send you a personal letter printed on real paper(!) not subject to electronic glitches, to convey good wishes about your event and all you guys have done.

Recent posts on the Buick Forum (Wow: right at 4,000 “reads!”) suggest you may reconsider the decision to throw in the towel after the 2010 event. Of course, we in Studebaker-land join the halleluiah chorus subsequently arising from that possibility.

We can appreciate your frustration that The Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race has become more of a drag (pardon the pun) and less fun for you guys in recent years due to some folks who need a life taking the event far too seriously, and forgetting the primary mission of having fun. Hey, we Studebaker guys have more to “prove” than probably anybody there…and if we can keep having a good time first and proving what’s to be proved in the process, what’s up with guys piloting known fast cars getting their panties in a wad because you won’t let them build a faster car than the car’s manufacturer ever shipped? Beats me.

So you guys “keep on keeping on.” As you’ve seen, all the members of this community who are not behind you could fit in a phone booth with room to spare. I say get all of ‘em in that phone booth, lock the door, and throw away the key. You guys are co-captains of the ship, so don’t take no lip!

Well, enough poetry and frivolity for the morning. Thanks so much for all you’ve done and all you’ll do, even if it is only for this year…but I bet it won’t end in 2010! (Ted Harbit forwarded your recent note, so I join his encouraging what looks like your reconsidering.)

‘Best from Studebaker-land,

Bob Palma


(I still don't "see" how to use italics, bold face, etc., on the new forum, but I'm sure I'll figure it out in due time!) BP

silverhawk
05-19-2010, 11:21 AM
Hope things start looking up soon! I really want to make it one of these days! (And if I can race a car in it, even better!)

Mark57
05-19-2010, 11:25 AM
(I still don't "see" how to use italics, bold face, etc., on the new forum, but I'm sure I'll figure it out in due time!) BP

Seems diplomatic enough Bob. :) You just have to get into the "advanced" posting mode to use the goodies to enhance your post. :cool:

2R5
05-19-2010, 12:25 PM
I just booked my room yesterday at the AmeriInn in Greensville , about 10 miles from the strip . If anyone is looking for a room they still have some 616-754-4500 , don't wait too long rooms are hard to get in that area .

PackardV8
05-19-2010, 01:15 PM
It is to be hoped a way will be found to continue the PSMCD venue for Studes to have a place to race.

I've only been in and around racing for fifty years, so anything before then is hearsay. The observed fact is, if you've got racing, someone is staying up nights trying to find a way to cheat/beat the other guys. From the first NASCAR (National Association of STOCK CAR Auto Racing) and NHRA Stock Classes, every major meet had disqualifications for cheating. With all the years and cars racing in the PSMCD, it is impossible for volunteer tech inspectors to know, see and prove what is Pure Stock.

FWIW, most of the magazine road tests from the 1960s were run with factory-supplied cheater cars. The 1964 Pontiac GTO road test cars GM supplied the magazines had dyno-tuned 421" engines instead of the stock 389". Car and Driver did a comparison test of factory-furnished examples of the 1966 Ford Fairlane GT, Mercury Cyclone GT, Buick Special GS, Chevrolet Chevelle SS and Pontiac GTO. Of the test cars, the Buick was the only stocker in the bunch.

I'd venture a guess Ted's cars and maybe most of the other Studes would be among the few PSMCD competitors which would pass a complete teardown inspection. Over the years, working with BrandX racers, I've watched them lobby to get later parts approved for stock classes. They all whine, "But it is so hard to find the original parts from the '60s." As a result, many are running later OEM parts or completely aftermarket parts.

In talking with a couple of the PSMCDers, they just got tired of the hassles. The losers cry and demand, "Catch those cheaters." The obvious cheater/winners will say, "But everyone knows this was a legal option - anyway, we don't have a teardown rule here - and prove I was sandbagging - ha, ha!" I wouldn't have their responsibilities if I were paid big bucks, much less taking that kind of grief as a volunteer.

Let's all keep our fingers crossed for good luck. Also, let the PSMCD guys know they have our appreciation for taking on an impossible task. Again, hope this all sorts itself out and some version of PSMCD is around for a long time.

thnx, jack vines

R3 challenger
05-19-2010, 02:06 PM
Thanks, Bob, for your letter in support of the PSMCDR. I'm sure all SDCers who compete or attend wish Dan Jensen and Bob Boden well. They have a tough job in that it would be nearly impossible to tear down and inspect maybe 150entrants.

The Plain Brown Wrapper has had an engine rebuild. The engine builder who worked on it has a number of national awards recognizing him for his expertise. As he was taking it apart, his question was "Now, why are we taking this engine apart?" It looked that good, even after about 400 quarter mile runs, which is a testimony both to sound Studebaker engineering and the quality of the 1994 rebuild by the same firm (Auto Machine, of St. Charles, IL).

The R3 is now back together, waiting for detailing and some paint work under the hood. It was sonic-tested and bored a legal .045", for a displacement of nearly 312 CID. PSMCDR rules allow up to .070". Studebaker factory information was correct in referring to R3 blocks as "specially selected and hand-built". Sonic testing revealed that the block will take even a larger bore for future rebuilds.

People who don't know much about Studebakers often ask if the Stude 289 is a Ford engine. Now we'll confuse them even more with a 312!

We hope to get the Wrapper running and back at the Pure Stock Drags this September, just in case this would be the last year for the event.

George

R2Andrea
05-19-2010, 07:17 PM
George, isn't going from a 289 Windsor to a 312 Y Block regressing? Or is there an advantage to the McCulloch on the 312 over the Paxton on the 289? And does this violate any of the PSMCDR rules???? LOL




"Sarcasm, I'm laying it on pretty thick." Tommy Boy.

R3 challenger
05-19-2010, 07:40 PM
Well, with the deeper 6-quart R3 oil pan and looking at it from behind, I guess you could call it a Y Block. Is there any significance to the fact that your post number was 289?

George

R2Andrea
05-19-2010, 07:49 PM
Is there any significance to the fact that your post number was 289?

George

Statistically or Numerologically?

R2Andrea
05-19-2010, 07:51 PM
Actually I'm trying to figure out how to reach post 304.5.

comatus
05-19-2010, 09:33 PM
Great letter, Bob, as usual. But, uh, Grandpa, what was a "phone booth"?

jlmccuan
05-19-2010, 10:28 PM
Having only attended the PSMCDR this last year, I must admit to being at a disadvantage when it comes to the historical squabbles over rules and their enforcement. That being said, I have been racing various formats for 40 odd years and the "winners" are always thought to be cheating by the "losers". To me, the best part of the PSMCDR event was it made no difference if you were the worst cheater with the fastest car or the most stock slow car. No money purses, no trophies, no prizes for "winners" or "losers". Since cars are paired by qualifying times, not by classifications, a better case could be made against "cheaters" not running all out during qualifying than those with non-stock equipment. Although there is a breakout rule, 0.30 seconds is a long way in the quarter mile. The bottom line for me, and argueably, only me, is the organisers have put a lot of time and effort into producing an event which, at best, grosses $50,000 in entries and gate receipts. They have successfully, in my book, gotten to a format that ends up in close, side-by-side passes of cars I love. They look like I remember, sound like I remember, run quite a bit faster, take me back to a better age, and make me wonder what could have been "if only". The format isn't to find the fastest "stock" car in the country, or the best driver. It does, however, make for the best show on wheels.

PlainBrownR2
05-20-2010, 01:08 AM
Great letter, Bob, as usual. But, uh, Grandpa, what was a "phone booth"?
A phone booth......
Looks great in a house, shop, garage, or can be used in a sadistic application of putting some people in there from a routine college joke :cool:.....

http://www.interschola.com/template/itemimages/19000s/19034/dscf1950_.jpg

Yall should know I'm 28 years old and I know what a phone booth is. Now that's really twisted.....

comatus
05-20-2010, 08:27 AM
Wow, a grandpa at 28! So, how do you call anybody on that phone? It doesn't have any buttons. Or screen.

Next I suppose you'll try to tell us there was a "book" full of phone numbers that sat on that shelf...
and don't even start that business about it costing a nickel.

[I'd rather see five phones in the bar than five bars on the phone.]

41 Frank
05-20-2010, 08:47 AM
That phone pictured could be conscrued as a "Mobil phone"

Deaf Mute
05-21-2010, 04:48 PM
If indeed the PURE STOCK DRAGS get shyuffled out of Michigan, I sure would like to see them take place at Cordova Drageays in Cordova, Illinois http://www.cordovadrag.com/ on the bank of the Mississippi River! I remember seeing the Chicken Hawk run there in the early 1960's. It is just north of I-80 in the middle of the country!

PlainBrownR2
05-21-2010, 07:10 PM
comatus
Wow, a grandpa at 28! So, how do you call anybody on that phone? It doesn't have any buttons. Or screen.

Next I suppose you'll try to tell us there was a "book" full of phone numbers that sat on that shelf...
and don't even start that business about it costing a nickel.

[I'd rather see five phones in the bar than five bars on the phone.]




If necessary, you'll need to login to see the picture apparently. Yeah remember that thing on not seeing the pictures unless you're logged in, apparently it's not isolated to attachments anymore :(.

No Yellow Pages in this phone booth, no number pad either. It does have a nice looking rotary dial in a wooden booth, with a light and checkerboard floor. Plus if you need to transport, it comes with a nice set of wheels underneath. Oh, ergo the term mobile phone, lol...

Grandpa? Nah, I've used the last inklings of this stuff before they switched over as well. It's not like stuff just disappears overnight, lol. The high school had one by the office back in 1996 to call out if the office was closed, so I've been around them. :cool:

Yeah, my vote would be for a location like Cordova or Joliet, IL. It would be a simple sprint down I-80 to see the races in this instance, as I have never seen them either.:cool: