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pitbulllady
03-30-2007, 02:06 PM
I finally got my '51 Champion sedan from Florida, after what seemed forever trying to find someone to transport it. I have a question about the dash, though-is there supposed to be a panel underneath the dashboard, or is it just supposed to be open underneath there? Mine is open, so that the wires and all inside the dash are more or less exposed. There is also a little silver toggle switch that says "off" and "on" on the right side of the dash, just a bit right of center, and I cannot find any pic or diagram in the shop manual that came with the car that says what this is for!

The car has to have the chrome restored, and some paint touch-ups, though I will probably just have it repainted eventually because I'm just not wild about that off-white color, but other than that, it looks good. One window is cracked, but it's not all the way through, and I have to get a rear-view mirror for the driver's side(I could kick myself for not picking one up at the SE Regional meet down in Mount Pleasant, SC, a few weeks ago). The car starts like a dream and runs strong with no smoke at all, and the engine looks clean. I do have to hook up the wires that control the rear turn signals; they're just hanging loose underneath the car right now. I was surprised, though, at how bright the headlights and interior lights are, considering the car still has the six-volt system in place! My headlights on my Toyota RAV-4 aren't that bright!

I also still need to find out how to restore the logo and rim design on a set of wheel covers, which have the Studebaker "coat of arms" on them. Some of the design has either been rubbed off or scratched. Is that design put on there with regular flat enamal paint, or what? I want to put these on the Champion, but I want to get them looking good first. I can re-paint or touch them up if it's just enamal paint that does not have to be "fired".

pitbulllady

Roscomacaw
03-30-2007, 03:17 PM
Yes, it's open like that![:I] As to that switch, it could be someone's addition for manually actuating the overdrive. Of course, "On-Off" could be for any NUMBER of things. I doubt it's original.:)

As to those wheelcovers, there's a fella making vinyl peel-stick decals to recolor Stude hub caps. He sells on ebay and I think, advertizes in TW. I don't know if he makes a "kit" for this particular style of wheelcover. SI offers NICE NEW covers like this, but they aren't cheap![:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
03-30-2007, 03:17 PM
Yes, it's open like that![:I] As to that switch, it could be someone's addition for manually actuating the overdrive. Of course, "On-Off" could be for any NUMBER of things. I doubt it's original.:)

As to those wheelcovers, there's a fella making vinyl peel-stick decals to recolor Stude hub caps. He sells on ebay and I think, advertizes in TW. I don't know if he makes a "kit" for this particular style of wheelcover. SI offers NICE NEW covers like this, but they aren't cheap![:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

lstude
03-30-2007, 05:22 PM
It would be helpful if you could post a picture of it. On my 52 Commander someone had bypassed the floor starter button and placed a starter button on the dash at the left side of the glove box door. I didn't know what it was until I tried to start the car and had to trace the wires to see where the starter button was.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52Commanderstarterbutton.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

lstude
03-30-2007, 05:22 PM
It would be helpful if you could post a picture of it. On my 52 Commander someone had bypassed the floor starter button and placed a starter button on the dash at the left side of the glove box door. I didn't know what it was until I tried to start the car and had to trace the wires to see where the starter button was.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52Commanderstarterbutton.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

pitbulllady
03-30-2007, 05:26 PM
Thanks; I just thought it looked sorta strange, and the ones I'd seen at shows didn't seem to be like that, or maybe the restoration was just so good I didn't notice.

I've seen the wheel covers for sale, for $100.00 each. I paid $75.00 for a set of five. They arent' in bad shape, and are still shiny, but like I said, some of the design is either faded out or scratched.

The toggle switch doesn't look added-on, and the OD switch is actually a pull-type thing right next to the hood release. The toggle switch is just to the left of the glove box, if anyone wants to take a stab at what it might be.

Also, anyone know if there are locking gas caps available for this model car? With gasoline prices like they are, even leaving a vehicle parked in the yard under a garage overnight is taking a risk of waking up to a drained tank nowadays. Unlike the new model cars, which have gas cap releases inside the car, which can be locked to prevent(or at least slow down)access to unwanted intruders, these old cars don't have that. Back then, the occasional theft of gasoline from a car's gas tank was more of a nuisance or prank, but now it's pretty serious.

pitbulllady






quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Yes, it's open like that![:I] As to that switch, it could be someone's addition for manually actuating the overdrive. Of course, "On-Off" could be for any NUMBER of things. I doubt it's original.:)

As to those wheelcovers, there's a fella making vinyl peel-stick decals to recolor Stude hub caps. He sells on ebay and I think, advertizes in TW. I don't know if he makes a "kit" for this particular style of wheelcover. SI offers NICE NEW covers like this, but they aren't cheap![:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

pitbulllady
03-30-2007, 05:26 PM
Thanks; I just thought it looked sorta strange, and the ones I'd seen at shows didn't seem to be like that, or maybe the restoration was just so good I didn't notice.

I've seen the wheel covers for sale, for $100.00 each. I paid $75.00 for a set of five. They arent' in bad shape, and are still shiny, but like I said, some of the design is either faded out or scratched.

The toggle switch doesn't look added-on, and the OD switch is actually a pull-type thing right next to the hood release. The toggle switch is just to the left of the glove box, if anyone wants to take a stab at what it might be.

Also, anyone know if there are locking gas caps available for this model car? With gasoline prices like they are, even leaving a vehicle parked in the yard under a garage overnight is taking a risk of waking up to a drained tank nowadays. Unlike the new model cars, which have gas cap releases inside the car, which can be locked to prevent(or at least slow down)access to unwanted intruders, these old cars don't have that. Back then, the occasional theft of gasoline from a car's gas tank was more of a nuisance or prank, but now it's pretty serious.

pitbulllady






quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Yes, it's open like that![:I] As to that switch, it could be someone's addition for manually actuating the overdrive. Of course, "On-Off" could be for any NUMBER of things. I doubt it's original.:)

As to those wheelcovers, there's a fella making vinyl peel-stick decals to recolor Stude hub caps. He sells on ebay and I think, advertizes in TW. I don't know if he makes a "kit" for this particular style of wheelcover. SI offers NICE NEW covers like this, but they aren't cheap![:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

rusty nut garage
03-30-2007, 06:57 PM
Map light switch??


quote:Originally posted by pitbulllady

Thanks; I just thought it looked sorta strange, and the ones I'd seen at shows didn't seem to be like that, or maybe the restoration was just so good I didn't notice.

I've seen the wheel covers for sale, for $100.00 each. I paid $75.00 for a set of five. They arent' in bad shape, and are still shiny, but like I said, some of the design is either faded out or scratched.

The toggle switch doesn't look added-on, and the OD switch is actually a pull-type thing right next to the hood release. The toggle switch is just to the left of the glove box, if anyone wants to take a stab at what it might be.

Also, anyone know if there are locking gas caps available for this model car? With gasoline prices like they are, even leaving a vehicle parked in the yard under a garage overnight is taking a risk of waking up to a drained tank nowadays. Unlike the new model cars, which have gas cap releases inside the car, which can be locked to prevent(or at least slow down)access to unwanted intruders, these old cars don't have that. Back then, the occasional theft of gasoline from a car's gas tank was more of a nuisance or prank, but now it's pretty serious.

pitbulllady






quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Yes, it's open like that![:I] As to that switch, it could be someone's addition for manually actuating the overdrive. Of course, "On-Off" could be for any NUMBER of things. I doubt it's original.:)

As to those wheelcovers, there's a fella making vinyl peel-stick decals to recolor Stude hub caps. He sells on ebay and I think, advertizes in TW. I don't know if he makes a "kit" for this particular style of wheelcover. SI offers NICE NEW covers like this, but they aren't cheap![:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe





Russ Shop Foreman "Rusty Nut Garage"
57 SH (project)
60 Lark VIII 2dr sd (driver)

rusty nut garage
03-30-2007, 06:57 PM
Map light switch??


quote:Originally posted by pitbulllady

Thanks; I just thought it looked sorta strange, and the ones I'd seen at shows didn't seem to be like that, or maybe the restoration was just so good I didn't notice.

I've seen the wheel covers for sale, for $100.00 each. I paid $75.00 for a set of five. They arent' in bad shape, and are still shiny, but like I said, some of the design is either faded out or scratched.

The toggle switch doesn't look added-on, and the OD switch is actually a pull-type thing right next to the hood release. The toggle switch is just to the left of the glove box, if anyone wants to take a stab at what it might be.

Also, anyone know if there are locking gas caps available for this model car? With gasoline prices like they are, even leaving a vehicle parked in the yard under a garage overnight is taking a risk of waking up to a drained tank nowadays. Unlike the new model cars, which have gas cap releases inside the car, which can be locked to prevent(or at least slow down)access to unwanted intruders, these old cars don't have that. Back then, the occasional theft of gasoline from a car's gas tank was more of a nuisance or prank, but now it's pretty serious.

pitbulllady






quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Yes, it's open like that![:I] As to that switch, it could be someone's addition for manually actuating the overdrive. Of course, "On-Off" could be for any NUMBER of things. I doubt it's original.:)

As to those wheelcovers, there's a fella making vinyl peel-stick decals to recolor Stude hub caps. He sells on ebay and I think, advertizes in TW. I don't know if he makes a "kit" for this particular style of wheelcover. SI offers NICE NEW covers like this, but they aren't cheap![:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe





Russ Shop Foreman "Rusty Nut Garage"
57 SH (project)
60 Lark VIII 2dr sd (driver)

Roscomacaw
03-30-2007, 07:13 PM
Well, they didn't USE any toggle switches in '51, so I'm betting it's someone "cusstom" installation for whatever.;) Added lite(s)? Electric fuel pump maybe? See if you cqan SEE (since it's so EASY to see beneath the dash[}:)]where the wires go.:D

Tech-nick-ollie - that "switch" with the "OD" on it isn't a switch. It's a pull cable that when pulled out, actuates the OD lockout lever on the transmission. With that knob pulled out, there's no "freewheeling" effect and the car drives like any ordinary 3-spd manual transmission. As far as the OD goes, you typically put that knob where you want it and forget about it. There's no "glad-handing" of it like shifting thru the gears. the OD automatically engages when you're going over 30MPH with the handle pushed in. Probably 98% of the driving I do with my Stude truck is with the OD system engaged. Driving with OD quickly becomes second nature and I find I let off the gas over 30MPH without concious thought much of the time.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
03-30-2007, 07:13 PM
Well, they didn't USE any toggle switches in '51, so I'm betting it's someone "cusstom" installation for whatever.;) Added lite(s)? Electric fuel pump maybe? See if you cqan SEE (since it's so EASY to see beneath the dash[}:)]where the wires go.:D

Tech-nick-ollie - that "switch" with the "OD" on it isn't a switch. It's a pull cable that when pulled out, actuates the OD lockout lever on the transmission. With that knob pulled out, there's no "freewheeling" effect and the car drives like any ordinary 3-spd manual transmission. As far as the OD goes, you typically put that knob where you want it and forget about it. There's no "glad-handing" of it like shifting thru the gears. the OD automatically engages when you're going over 30MPH with the handle pushed in. Probably 98% of the driving I do with my Stude truck is with the OD system engaged. Driving with OD quickly becomes second nature and I find I let off the gas over 30MPH without concious thought much of the time.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

rockne10
03-30-2007, 07:32 PM
SI is now selling the wheel cover stick-ons.
The early '53 Coupe had a toggle switch in that position for the map light but I don't think the '51 did; probably best to trace the wire from source to result.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

rockne10
03-30-2007, 07:32 PM
SI is now selling the wheel cover stick-ons.
The early '53 Coupe had a toggle switch in that position for the map light but I don't think the '51 did; probably best to trace the wire from source to result.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

lstude
03-30-2007, 07:34 PM
According to the brochure, that was the place for the optional cigarette lighter.

lstude
03-30-2007, 07:34 PM
According to the brochure, that was the place for the optional cigarette lighter.

pitbulllady
03-30-2007, 08:39 PM
It actually has a place for the cigarette lighter, which is missing(not that I need one, but I'll probably replace it anyway). These cars were obviously designed with smokers in mind, since there are three ash trays! I'll look under the dash in the morning when it's light again and see if I can trace the wires, but nothing happens when I move the switch from "off" to "on". Also, does anyone know of a site or source for paint chips? I know I'm gonna repaint it, since the paint job isn't that great, and I just don't care for the off-white or ivory color. I'm not sure if I want to stick with a "stock" Studebaker color, or something custom(and no, NOT flames) that will go well with the interior color, which is a light tan, for lack of a better term. I've definately got to have the chrome restored, though, since that's the worst part of the car, appearance-wise.

pitbulllady



quote:Originally posted by lstude

According to the brochure, that was the place for the optional cigarette lighter.

pitbulllady
03-30-2007, 08:39 PM
It actually has a place for the cigarette lighter, which is missing(not that I need one, but I'll probably replace it anyway). These cars were obviously designed with smokers in mind, since there are three ash trays! I'll look under the dash in the morning when it's light again and see if I can trace the wires, but nothing happens when I move the switch from "off" to "on". Also, does anyone know of a site or source for paint chips? I know I'm gonna repaint it, since the paint job isn't that great, and I just don't care for the off-white or ivory color. I'm not sure if I want to stick with a "stock" Studebaker color, or something custom(and no, NOT flames) that will go well with the interior color, which is a light tan, for lack of a better term. I've definately got to have the chrome restored, though, since that's the worst part of the car, appearance-wise.

pitbulllady



quote:Originally posted by lstude

According to the brochure, that was the place for the optional cigarette lighter.

rockne10
03-30-2007, 08:42 PM
autocolorlibrary.com

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

rockne10
03-30-2007, 08:42 PM
autocolorlibrary.com

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

dennyscars
03-31-2007, 03:27 PM
Regarding the locking gas cap, quite often there is a Stude locking gas cap on eBay. As far as I know, they fit all postwar models/years. Look for the kind with the "S" logo on it. If there's not one on eBay now, keep watching, one will come up soon. If you plan to go the So. Bend meet there will surely be some good used locking gas caps there.

Dennis Napier

dennyscars
03-31-2007, 03:27 PM
Regarding the locking gas cap, quite often there is a Stude locking gas cap on eBay. As far as I know, they fit all postwar models/years. Look for the kind with the "S" logo on it. If there's not one on eBay now, keep watching, one will come up soon. If you plan to go the So. Bend meet there will surely be some good used locking gas caps there.

Dennis Napier

StudeRich
03-31-2007, 04:55 PM
Dennis; you do know that most of those with the "S", stands for the manufacturer's name: Stant" not Studebaker! So not all of them will fit!


quote:Originally posted by dennyscars

.Look for the kind with the "S" logo on it.
Dennis Napier

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-31-2007, 04:55 PM
Dennis; you do know that most of those with the "S", stands for the manufacturer's name: Stant" not Studebaker! So not all of them will fit!


quote:Originally posted by dennyscars

.Look for the kind with the "S" logo on it.
Dennis Napier

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA