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3rdGenStude
03-29-2007, 07:45 AM
I finally got the last seat track bolt out, so I can get at the floor.

Good grief! Other floor to frame bolts seem to be about 1 1/4" long with a tapered tip. The seat bolts were about 2 1/2" long, fine threaded, and run through small blocks of wood sitting on top of teh seat rail. I bent the ends of two open end 9/16 wrenches before I was done!

So is this fairly typical rust? . . . not so bad? . . . or, "You're crazy for even trying!" rust?

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Land%20Cruiser%20Interior/Interior%20Progress/pedals.jpg

Oh, and since everyone else seems to have a name for their project, I was thinking of "Boris" for this big black car. Does it fit his character?

Paul

1950 Land Cruiser project

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65cruiser
03-29-2007, 07:53 AM
I've seen worse, LOTS worse.

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65cruiser
03-29-2007, 07:53 AM
I've seen worse, LOTS worse.

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1965 Cruiser
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41 Frank
03-29-2007, 07:57 AM
The rust is pretty typical for your area and the car is 57 years old after all.The rust is worse than some but not as bad as others I've seen. Repair panels are available from classic enterprises. With some patience and determination it will get done.I've done several like yours in the past.Good luck.

41 Frank
03-29-2007, 07:57 AM
The rust is pretty typical for your area and the car is 57 years old after all.The rust is worse than some but not as bad as others I've seen. Repair panels are available from classic enterprises. With some patience and determination it will get done.I've done several like yours in the past.Good luck.

3rdGenStude
03-29-2007, 08:07 AM
quote:Originally posted by 41 Frank

The rust is pretty typical for your area and the car is 57 years old after all.The rust is worse than some but not as bad as others I've seen. Repair panels are available from classic enterprises. With some patience and determination it will get done.I've done several like yours in the past.Good luck.


It was originally a Tennessee car. It spent the later years in MIchigan, though.

CE panels. Yep. I figure it's going to take front and rear floor panels for both sides, a trunk floor panel, and both rockers. I haven't looked really close at the body mounts yet.



Paul

1950 Land Cruiser project

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Avatars/R_front.jpghttp://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Avatars/back_view.jpg

3rdGenStude
03-29-2007, 08:07 AM
quote:Originally posted by 41 Frank

The rust is pretty typical for your area and the car is 57 years old after all.The rust is worse than some but not as bad as others I've seen. Repair panels are available from classic enterprises. With some patience and determination it will get done.I've done several like yours in the past.Good luck.


It was originally a Tennessee car. It spent the later years in MIchigan, though.

CE panels. Yep. I figure it's going to take front and rear floor panels for both sides, a trunk floor panel, and both rockers. I haven't looked really close at the body mounts yet.



Paul

1950 Land Cruiser project

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Avatars/R_front.jpghttp://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Avatars/back_view.jpg

41 Frank
03-29-2007, 08:19 AM
A little tip, do one side at a time and have the car supported with the jack stands under the rear axle and front suspension, not under the frame if you want it up off the ground.This way it is less likely you will wind up with body panels that don't line up.

41 Frank
03-29-2007, 08:19 AM
A little tip, do one side at a time and have the car supported with the jack stands under the rear axle and front suspension, not under the frame if you want it up off the ground.This way it is less likely you will wind up with body panels that don't line up.

JDP
03-29-2007, 08:26 AM
I'd call that stage 3 rust since it's spread to the pillars and rockers. I've seen worse, but I don't tackle floors like those any more, i.e. the wagon I just sold had those floors. I prefer stage 1 "pin holes" or stage 2 (bigger hole, but solid pillars) :)

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JDP
03-29-2007, 08:26 AM
I'd call that stage 3 rust since it's spread to the pillars and rockers. I've seen worse, but I don't tackle floors like those any more, i.e. the wagon I just sold had those floors. I prefer stage 1 "pin holes" or stage 2 (bigger hole, but solid pillars) :)

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52 & 53 Starliner
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Roscomacaw
03-29-2007, 09:02 AM
Boris' cancer can be cured. It'll take more time than money to do so - so long as you do it yourself OR have a capable friend that will work for a few six-packs.;)

The bottom of the door pillar DOES look nasty, but it also looks like there's enough of it to fasten stuff to. Really hard to say with conviction by looking at one photo.:D

BTW, I've seen alot of this when I lived in Georgia and even some of it here in California.[:I] This is what happens when wet carpeting and it's jute backing are left there as oxidizing agents. Don't really NEED salt to make this happen - only more years of wetness.:(

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1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
03-29-2007, 09:02 AM
Boris' cancer can be cured. It'll take more time than money to do so - so long as you do it yourself OR have a capable friend that will work for a few six-packs.;)

The bottom of the door pillar DOES look nasty, but it also looks like there's enough of it to fasten stuff to. Really hard to say with conviction by looking at one photo.:D

BTW, I've seen alot of this when I lived in Georgia and even some of it here in California.[:I] This is what happens when wet carpeting and it's jute backing are left there as oxidizing agents. Don't really NEED salt to make this happen - only more years of wetness.:(

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Dick Steinkamp
03-29-2007, 09:04 AM
I admire you guys that bring back Studes like this, but I personally wouldn't do it. Here's why.

#1 There are still plenty of rust free or near rust free Studes around. Most are in the West. Generally you can buy them for the same price as a MidWest/East Coast rust bucket. If you live in the East, you'll pay $1000-$1500 transport to get it to you. This is a fraction of what it would cost to have a pro fix the rust, probably lower than the cost of patch panels and welding supplies if you do it your self. Your time would have to be a labor of love (and it would be hundreds and hundreds of hours of love)

#2 With rust like this, you'll never get it all. You fix the big hunks, and leave what looks like small stuff, and some stuff you can't even see (or find). If the floors and trunk are this bad, how about the rockers, door bottoms, lower fenders, hood front, trunk drip rail, etc.? Will you ever know how bad the frame has rotted? What happens to your new paint job in a year or two? Rust (this bad) is seldom localized. If the car is rusty, the ENTIRE car is rusty.

#3 With rusty cars, just the disassembly process is a major event (as you learned with the seats). EVERY nut and bolt is frozen and has to be fought or cut. You get tired of busted tools and busted knuckles pretty quick. Some especially hard ones take days of trying everything you know to remove them. Once you work on a rust free 50 year old car, you'll never go back.

The above is just my opinion. Again, I'm glad guys like you save these cars. I guess I'm just too "frugal" with my time and money to attempt it.





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Dick Steinkamp
03-29-2007, 09:04 AM
I admire you guys that bring back Studes like this, but I personally wouldn't do it. Here's why.

#1 There are still plenty of rust free or near rust free Studes around. Most are in the West. Generally you can buy them for the same price as a MidWest/East Coast rust bucket. If you live in the East, you'll pay $1000-$1500 transport to get it to you. This is a fraction of what it would cost to have a pro fix the rust, probably lower than the cost of patch panels and welding supplies if you do it your self. Your time would have to be a labor of love (and it would be hundreds and hundreds of hours of love)

#2 With rust like this, you'll never get it all. You fix the big hunks, and leave what looks like small stuff, and some stuff you can't even see (or find). If the floors and trunk are this bad, how about the rockers, door bottoms, lower fenders, hood front, trunk drip rail, etc.? Will you ever know how bad the frame has rotted? What happens to your new paint job in a year or two? Rust (this bad) is seldom localized. If the car is rusty, the ENTIRE car is rusty.

#3 With rusty cars, just the disassembly process is a major event (as you learned with the seats). EVERY nut and bolt is frozen and has to be fought or cut. You get tired of busted tools and busted knuckles pretty quick. Some especially hard ones take days of trying everything you know to remove them. Once you work on a rust free 50 year old car, you'll never go back.

The above is just my opinion. Again, I'm glad guys like you save these cars. I guess I'm just too "frugal" with my time and money to attempt it.





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arkiejazz
03-29-2007, 09:09 AM
[:o)]Ditto what Dick said. Besides, if you want to fix rust, you may as well do it on a Champ truck![:o)]<g>

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arkiejazz
03-29-2007, 09:09 AM
[:o)]Ditto what Dick said. Besides, if you want to fix rust, you may as well do it on a Champ truck![:o)]<g>

steve blake
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Dick Steinkamp
03-29-2007, 10:03 AM
There are (at least) a couple exceptions to my post

#1 Rare Studes. If you have a rusty 4 Seasons Roadster or a CE, the time and money to bring it back is well worth it. Heck, I don't think there is even anything that could be defined as a "parts" 53 or 54 C/K anymore...they are ALL worth bringing back. There are other Studes like this. If you want one, you restore whatever you can find.

#2 Studes with a history. If the Stude has been in your family, or owned by you in High School, or originally purchased by your father or grandfather, it may well be worth it to you to get completely upside down in the car...and understandable.

Also, I didn't mean to sound discouraging with my post. For some, the big project is a "time payment plan". You may end up with far more money into the car than if you had bought a similar completed one, but you get to stretch the cost out over several years.

A big project can also be "fun" if you enjoy the work. A good "father/son" thing, relaxation after a hard day at the office, the feeling of accomplishment to bring one back from the dead. All good reasons to bite off something like this.



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Dick Steinkamp
03-29-2007, 10:03 AM
There are (at least) a couple exceptions to my post

#1 Rare Studes. If you have a rusty 4 Seasons Roadster or a CE, the time and money to bring it back is well worth it. Heck, I don't think there is even anything that could be defined as a "parts" 53 or 54 C/K anymore...they are ALL worth bringing back. There are other Studes like this. If you want one, you restore whatever you can find.

#2 Studes with a history. If the Stude has been in your family, or owned by you in High School, or originally purchased by your father or grandfather, it may well be worth it to you to get completely upside down in the car...and understandable.

Also, I didn't mean to sound discouraging with my post. For some, the big project is a "time payment plan". You may end up with far more money into the car than if you had bought a similar completed one, but you get to stretch the cost out over several years.

A big project can also be "fun" if you enjoy the work. A good "father/son" thing, relaxation after a hard day at the office, the feeling of accomplishment to bring one back from the dead. All good reasons to bite off something like this.



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Michidan
03-29-2007, 10:14 AM
As has been said here the door pillars do need to be structurally sound. It can be fixed. Be glad the land cruiser doesn't have even more rusty tourqe boxes underneath the floor, like a convert or hardtop.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/loraxdan66/log02004.jpg

In this picture the passenger side already has new floor, piece made by classic enterprises.

Dan
52 hardtop

Michidan
03-29-2007, 10:14 AM
As has been said here the door pillars do need to be structurally sound. It can be fixed. Be glad the land cruiser doesn't have even more rusty tourqe boxes underneath the floor, like a convert or hardtop.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/loraxdan66/log02004.jpg

In this picture the passenger side already has new floor, piece made by classic enterprises.

Dan
52 hardtop

3rdGenStude
03-29-2007, 10:18 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

I'll agree here too. May feel like some kinda "crusader", bringing some rust-bucket, parts source back to life - and there IS something to be said for that (although I can't say it here.[}:)]) And while the cars out this way may well have some rust in them, it's usually not to the point of having less metal than hole.

I'm hesitant to jump ON this thread because I can read the hope and promise that's invested in Boris. That doesn't deserve to be trounced on. Still, if this influences the next guy that comes along looking for a project..... Thing is, alot of folks buy a vehicle on impulse - THEN come looking for advice. You know - the cart-before-the-horse syndrome.[8)]

That Hawk that one forum member's restoring, I'd have taken one 50-foot look and forgot about it. Still, if raising the Titanic is your kinda challenge............;)

Paul, I think Boris is do-able (using this photo as a point of reference). And I DON'T put him in the catagory that I speak of in the preceeding paragraphs. Of course, my judgement COULD be swayed if we found out that Boris' exterior sheet metal was disguised with lots of filler.[}:)]

I think Dick hit the nail when he talked about the time payment plan. MOst of this project will be a learn as you go project. Years ago I did some minor sprucing up on a '64 Ford Galaxie XL, and fixed up some window mechanisms for friends. My son is a mechanic by trade, and also says he will teach me to weld (MIG) and help with the project.

In my case, there's no way I could come up with the money all at once to get the kind of Stude I'd like. But I bought this a few miles from home, and figured I could part it out if it looked TOO bad.

I probably can't afford more than about $1500-$1800 a year for parts, so the first year alone will barely get me past the big lower body pieces.

Outer panels are pretty much what you see. Really solid with the exception of the ventilator areas and the rear fender edge crimp. Otherwise there's some minor surface rust around the nose and pylons, but workable. Frame rails seem solid, but with surface rust. No visible holes, and no soft spots on the rails or the bottom plates (so far.) The doors have rust through in the bootom. But if I cut it out, there will stil be a lot of metal left to patch to.

BTW: is there -or will there ever be- a clear winner in the debate between POR-15 and Eastwood's rust treatments?

Oh yeah, before I satrt cutting out or installing anything, I'll finish stripping out everything from the doors, dash, etc and spot weld some steel tube across the door openings to keep everything lined up, before I take the doors off. I think that's the poor man's method for keeping the body aligned, isn't it? My son chopped the top on a '72 Ford P/U and braced everything up that way before he went nuts with it.

Thanks for the input guys.


Paul

1950 Land Cruiser project

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3rdGenStude
03-29-2007, 10:18 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

I'll agree here too. May feel like some kinda "crusader", bringing some rust-bucket, parts source back to life - and there IS something to be said for that (although I can't say it here.[}:)]) And while the cars out this way may well have some rust in them, it's usually not to the point of having less metal than hole.

I'm hesitant to jump ON this thread because I can read the hope and promise that's invested in Boris. That doesn't deserve to be trounced on. Still, if this influences the next guy that comes along looking for a project..... Thing is, alot of folks buy a vehicle on impulse - THEN come looking for advice. You know - the cart-before-the-horse syndrome.[8)]

That Hawk that one forum member's restoring, I'd have taken one 50-foot look and forgot about it. Still, if raising the Titanic is your kinda challenge............;)

Paul, I think Boris is do-able (using this photo as a point of reference). And I DON'T put him in the catagory that I speak of in the preceeding paragraphs. Of course, my judgement COULD be swayed if we found out that Boris' exterior sheet metal was disguised with lots of filler.[}:)]

I think Dick hit the nail when he talked about the time payment plan. MOst of this project will be a learn as you go project. Years ago I did some minor sprucing up on a '64 Ford Galaxie XL, and fixed up some window mechanisms for friends. My son is a mechanic by trade, and also says he will teach me to weld (MIG) and help with the project.

In my case, there's no way I could come up with the money all at once to get the kind of Stude I'd like. But I bought this a few miles from home, and figured I could part it out if it looked TOO bad.

I probably can't afford more than about $1500-$1800 a year for parts, so the first year alone will barely get me past the big lower body pieces.

Outer panels are pretty much what you see. Really solid with the exception of the ventilator areas and the rear fender edge crimp. Otherwise there's some minor surface rust around the nose and pylons, but workable. Frame rails seem solid, but with surface rust. No visible holes, and no soft spots on the rails or the bottom plates (so far.) The doors have rust through in the bootom. But if I cut it out, there will stil be a lot of metal left to patch to.

BTW: is there -or will there ever be- a clear winner in the debate between POR-15 and Eastwood's rust treatments?

Oh yeah, before I satrt cutting out or installing anything, I'll finish stripping out everything from the doors, dash, etc and spot weld some steel tube across the door openings to keep everything lined up, before I take the doors off. I think that's the poor man's method for keeping the body aligned, isn't it? My son chopped the top on a '72 Ford P/U and braced everything up that way before he went nuts with it.

Thanks for the input guys.


Paul

1950 Land Cruiser project

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Avatars/R_front.jpghttp://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Avatars/back_view.jpg

studeclunker
03-29-2007, 10:19 AM
Have faith! You'll get there, my son.:D Borris looks like he had leaky doors, kinda like my ol' Bess. She's gonna take a total tear down eventually. Right now, there's more metal than holes. Still, I just know the doors are bad inside. They were full of water when I got her. The drains in the bottom of the doors were blocked. Check Boris' drains. You'll find them on the perimeter of the body and the underside of the doors. This will help considerably in stopping the problems. Use a thin, long, spade screwdriver. Wiggle it around to dislodge the crud. Of course, if Boris is lucky enough to have a garage,[8D] just take him apart and start cleaning things up.:D

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studeclunker
03-29-2007, 10:19 AM
Have faith! You'll get there, my son.:D Borris looks like he had leaky doors, kinda like my ol' Bess. She's gonna take a total tear down eventually. Right now, there's more metal than holes. Still, I just know the doors are bad inside. They were full of water when I got her. The drains in the bottom of the doors were blocked. Check Boris' drains. You'll find them on the perimeter of the body and the underside of the doors. This will help considerably in stopping the problems. Use a thin, long, spade screwdriver. Wiggle it around to dislodge the crud. Of course, if Boris is lucky enough to have a garage,[8D] just take him apart and start cleaning things up.:D

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

ST2DE5
03-29-2007, 10:25 AM
I'll agree to a little of this if the car is plentyful. But with my 48 Business coupe. There is none out there. I had looked for over 10 years to find one. This the rustest one I have ever done. But I am retired and have been for the last 11 years. If I didn't have my Studebakers I would go nuts.

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ST2DE5
03-29-2007, 10:25 AM
I'll agree to a little of this if the car is plentyful. But with my 48 Business coupe. There is none out there. I had looked for over 10 years to find one. This the rustest one I have ever done. But I am retired and have been for the last 11 years. If I didn't have my Studebakers I would go nuts.

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JDP
03-29-2007, 10:36 AM
While I won't personally save really rusty Studebaker's unless they are very rare, there is something to be said for those that will. I've shot dozens in the head, but have to admit it's nice to see rough cars saved by those willing. Don't let us deter anyone from a challenge to save a car just because it does not make sense from a labor standpoint compared to starting with a nice car.

i.e I sold a rust bucket Starlight coupe on ebay to a guy with a body shop connection and after a few 100 hours of work it looks great. Of course if he'd paid the 10K or so going rate for the work he could have bought a turn key car, but this way, he saved a Studebaker. After all, many of us spend big bucks to save a cat or dog that we could replace for next to nothing. :)

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64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
03-29-2007, 10:36 AM
While I won't personally save really rusty Studebaker's unless they are very rare, there is something to be said for those that will. I've shot dozens in the head, but have to admit it's nice to see rough cars saved by those willing. Don't let us deter anyone from a challenge to save a car just because it does not make sense from a labor standpoint compared to starting with a nice car.

i.e I sold a rust bucket Starlight coupe on ebay to a guy with a body shop connection and after a few 100 hours of work it looks great. Of course if he'd paid the 10K or so going rate for the work he could have bought a turn key car, but this way, he saved a Studebaker. After all, many of us spend big bucks to save a cat or dog that we could replace for next to nothing. :)

64 Commander-64 Daytona
64 GT R2 clone-63 GT R2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert-63
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT-60Hawk
59 3E truck
52 & 53 Starliner
51 Commander

Roscomacaw
03-29-2007, 11:54 AM
I'll agree here too. May feel like some kinda "crusader", bringing some rust-bucket, parts source back to life - and there IS something to be said for that (although I can't say it here.[}:)]) And while the cars out this way may well have some rust in them, it's usually not to the point of having less metal than hole.

I'm hesitant to jump ON this thread because I can read the hope and promise that's invested in Boris. That doesn't deserve to be trounced on. Still, if this influences the next guy that comes along looking for a project..... Thing is, alot of folks buy a vehicle on impulse - THEN come looking for advice. You know - the cart-before-the-horse syndrome.[8)]

That Hawk that one forum member's restoring, I'd have taken one 50-foot look and forgot about it. Still, if raising the Titanic is your kinda challenge............;)

Paul, I think Boris is do-able (using this photo as a point of reference). And I DON'T put him in the catagory that I speak of in the preceeding paragraphs. Of course, my judgement COULD be swayed if we found out that Boris' exterior sheet metal was disguised with lots of filler.[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
03-29-2007, 11:54 AM
I'll agree here too. May feel like some kinda "crusader", bringing some rust-bucket, parts source back to life - and there IS something to be said for that (although I can't say it here.[}:)]) And while the cars out this way may well have some rust in them, it's usually not to the point of having less metal than hole.

I'm hesitant to jump ON this thread because I can read the hope and promise that's invested in Boris. That doesn't deserve to be trounced on. Still, if this influences the next guy that comes along looking for a project..... Thing is, alot of folks buy a vehicle on impulse - THEN come looking for advice. You know - the cart-before-the-horse syndrome.[8)]

That Hawk that one forum member's restoring, I'd have taken one 50-foot look and forgot about it. Still, if raising the Titanic is your kinda challenge............;)

Paul, I think Boris is do-able (using this photo as a point of reference). And I DON'T put him in the catagory that I speak of in the preceeding paragraphs. Of course, my judgement COULD be swayed if we found out that Boris' exterior sheet metal was disguised with lots of filler.[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

3rdGenStude
03-29-2007, 03:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker
Have faith! You'll get there, my son.:D

Hey, I'm the preacher. (see profile) That's my line!


quote: Borris looks like he had leaky doors, kinda like my ol' Bess. She's gonna take a total tear down eventually. Right now, there's more metal than holes. Still, I just know the doors are bad inside. They were full of water when I got her. The drains in the bottom of the doors were blocked. Check Boris' drains. You'll find them on the perimeter of the body and the underside of the doors. This will help considerably in stopping the problems. Use a thin, long, spade screwdriver. Wiggle it around to dislodge the crud. Of course, if Boris is lucky enough to have a garage,[8D] just take him apart and start cleaning things up.:D

Yup. Water stains from the lower left of the rear window, too. All the door panels have water stains. Can't tell for sure if they're from leaky windows seals or leaky door seals. Probably both. I know the door rubber is worn right through the outer layer around the beltline areas of most of the doors.

I watched Boris sit through two Michigan winters out by the highway with a for sale sign in the window before I made the purchase. I felt the rust was too much for me to handle. (just the fenders - that was before I even saw how bad the floors were!) But I knew the engine ran, and that it could be yard driven. So when the price dropped to $750 and my wife offered to give it to me for Christmas, I couldn't resist.

The door drains are clear, but I haven't checked the rear fender drains yet. But Boris now sits in the "spare" garage. It's a cramped working area, but it's weathertight and heatable. He gets priority over the pop-up camper, which now sits outside.


Paul

1950 Land Cruiser project

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3rdGenStude
03-29-2007, 03:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker
Have faith! You'll get there, my son.:D

Hey, I'm the preacher. (see profile) That's my line!


quote: Borris looks like he had leaky doors, kinda like my ol' Bess. She's gonna take a total tear down eventually. Right now, there's more metal than holes. Still, I just know the doors are bad inside. They were full of water when I got her. The drains in the bottom of the doors were blocked. Check Boris' drains. You'll find them on the perimeter of the body and the underside of the doors. This will help considerably in stopping the problems. Use a thin, long, spade screwdriver. Wiggle it around to dislodge the crud. Of course, if Boris is lucky enough to have a garage,[8D] just take him apart and start cleaning things up.:D

Yup. Water stains from the lower left of the rear window, too. All the door panels have water stains. Can't tell for sure if they're from leaky windows seals or leaky door seals. Probably both. I know the door rubber is worn right through the outer layer around the beltline areas of most of the doors.

I watched Boris sit through two Michigan winters out by the highway with a for sale sign in the window before I made the purchase. I felt the rust was too much for me to handle. (just the fenders - that was before I even saw how bad the floors were!) But I knew the engine ran, and that it could be yard driven. So when the price dropped to $750 and my wife offered to give it to me for Christmas, I couldn't resist.

The door drains are clear, but I haven't checked the rear fender drains yet. But Boris now sits in the "spare" garage. It's a cramped working area, but it's weathertight and heatable. He gets priority over the pop-up camper, which now sits outside.


Paul

1950 Land Cruiser project

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Avatars/R_front.jpghttp://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Avatars/back_view.jpg

Randy_G
03-29-2007, 05:31 PM
I think everyone has made alot of sense when they talk about saving the "Rare" Studebaker. I have to say that all of them are rare and there numbers are dropping like flies. In my travels I see Studebakers sitting in fields, besides old barns and even see them in lots behind old garage that are not in business anymore. If you ask about one, you get the common answer [B)] "nope it ain't for sale". Keep up the good work saving this Stude and I think Boris is a very fitting name. Very original, I'm thinking that I need to change the name of my Bessie to something as original. [?] Time will tell.;)

Randy_G
South Bend or Bust 2007!
God I miss chrome on cars.
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/sedan4small.jpg

Randy_G
03-29-2007, 05:31 PM
I think everyone has made alot of sense when they talk about saving the "Rare" Studebaker. I have to say that all of them are rare and there numbers are dropping like flies. In my travels I see Studebakers sitting in fields, besides old barns and even see them in lots behind old garage that are not in business anymore. If you ask about one, you get the common answer [B)] "nope it ain't for sale". Keep up the good work saving this Stude and I think Boris is a very fitting name. Very original, I'm thinking that I need to change the name of my Bessie to something as original. [?] Time will tell.;)

Randy_G
South Bend or Bust 2007!
God I miss chrome on cars.
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/sedan4small.jpg

Jeff_H
03-29-2007, 05:38 PM
Sorry for the crappy B/W picture, but this attempts to show the bracing I put in the body of my '53 while I was fixing both the floors and the frame. The picture was taken w/o a flash and was dark and red due to the work lamp in the garage. Making it B/W was easier to do in improving its looks. The car was down to a bare shell on the frame and I took this looking sorta upwards from floor level toward the driver side A pillar and door.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/bodysupport.jpg

I had a angle iron laid across the trans tunnel that was tacked there and to the door posts. Then there were 2 more angles across the door openings at appx the hinge locations. Then I had another pc going from the top of the "B" pillar that does not exist in the hardtop body to keep that from moving since the the bottom was rotted away and without the fender on it was free to move some. The frame had holes and isolated soft spots in it and I was working both that and the floor at the same time. I had wood blocks shimmed under the frame to keep it from collapsing when I cut out the bad areas. It was a real scary project for a while to be sure [:0] In this picture the whole driver side floor is cut out from the firewall to under the rear seat and there is a section of the frame around where the body brace would normally attach cut out too. I'd already fixed a section farther back.



Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/53byalaketiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

Jeff_H
03-29-2007, 05:38 PM
Sorry for the crappy B/W picture, but this attempts to show the bracing I put in the body of my '53 while I was fixing both the floors and the frame. The picture was taken w/o a flash and was dark and red due to the work lamp in the garage. Making it B/W was easier to do in improving its looks. The car was down to a bare shell on the frame and I took this looking sorta upwards from floor level toward the driver side A pillar and door.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/bodysupport.jpg

I had a angle iron laid across the trans tunnel that was tacked there and to the door posts. Then there were 2 more angles across the door openings at appx the hinge locations. Then I had another pc going from the top of the "B" pillar that does not exist in the hardtop body to keep that from moving since the the bottom was rotted away and without the fender on it was free to move some. The frame had holes and isolated soft spots in it and I was working both that and the floor at the same time. I had wood blocks shimmed under the frame to keep it from collapsing when I cut out the bad areas. It was a real scary project for a while to be sure [:0] In this picture the whole driver side floor is cut out from the firewall to under the rear seat and there is a section of the frame around where the body brace would normally attach cut out too. I'd already fixed a section farther back.



Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/53byalaketiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

Roscomacaw
03-29-2007, 05:45 PM
Paul,

For your own welfare, you need to let the wife know that HER Stude will be named Natasha.[:X] That way there'll be little to no resistance when you want to bring that NEXT Stude home!;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
03-29-2007, 05:45 PM
Paul,

For your own welfare, you need to let the wife know that HER Stude will be named Natasha.[:X] That way there'll be little to no resistance when you want to bring that NEXT Stude home!;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

cabrina
03-29-2007, 08:19 PM
Boris, what do I care that you have a few rust holes?? These do not detract from your strong Land Cruiser frame. [:X][:X] I, too, need new floorplans, trunk, body mounts and am off my rockers. HA!

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n250/cabrina23/100_0057.jpg

Let us make beautiful rust repair together. [:X]

Signed,
Natasha the 1950 Champion

cabrina
03-29-2007, 08:19 PM
Boris, what do I care that you have a few rust holes?? These do not detract from your strong Land Cruiser frame. [:X][:X] I, too, need new floorplans, trunk, body mounts and am off my rockers. HA!

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n250/cabrina23/100_0057.jpg

Let us make beautiful rust repair together. [:X]

Signed,
Natasha the 1950 Champion

GTtim
03-29-2007, 08:57 PM
I'm happy that Boris has found a loving home. He doesn't look too far gone to me. The 50's are my favorite, with the long front fenders and hood I think they were the finest expression of the bullet nose.
Good luck,

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

GTtim
03-29-2007, 08:57 PM
I'm happy that Boris has found a loving home. He doesn't look too far gone to me. The 50's are my favorite, with the long front fenders and hood I think they were the finest expression of the bullet nose.
Good luck,

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

avantilover
03-30-2007, 06:18 AM
It's going to be interesting to see what condition Boris is in as you gradually strip his paint - not too rusty I hope, but your son sounds handy for doing the repairs. Removing the body from the frame is probably a good idea, then the frame can be assessed and repaired, and once reassembled,painted, and trimmed he should look great and be a source of joy for you and your family.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
03-30-2007, 06:18 AM
It's going to be interesting to see what condition Boris is in as you gradually strip his paint - not too rusty I hope, but your son sounds handy for doing the repairs. Removing the body from the frame is probably a good idea, then the frame can be assessed and repaired, and once reassembled,painted, and trimmed he should look great and be a source of joy for you and your family.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

JimC
03-30-2007, 07:14 AM
Personally, I think the rust in my Lark is worse. I'm not going to give up, and I doubt you will either. Godspeed on the restoration!

--------
Restoring my grandfather's '60 Lark, one rusted bolt at a time.

Maple Lake, Minnesota

JimC
03-30-2007, 07:14 AM
Personally, I think the rust in my Lark is worse. I'm not going to give up, and I doubt you will either. Godspeed on the restoration!

--------
Restoring my grandfather's '60 Lark, one rusted bolt at a time.

Maple Lake, Minnesota

avantilover
03-30-2007, 05:06 PM
Good luck to you both. Once you can see all the issues you can work on them one by one and end up with great cars.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
03-30-2007, 05:06 PM
Good luck to you both. Once you can see all the issues you can work on them one by one and end up with great cars.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

3rdGenStude
04-01-2007, 07:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by cabrina

Boris, what do I care that you have a few rust holes?? These do not detract from your strong Land Cruiser frame. [:X][:X] I, too, need new floorplans, trunk, body mounts and am off my rockers. HA!

Let us make beautiful rust repair together. [:X]

Natasha,

Whoa! You can't just come rushing into Boris' life like that. How do I know if your intentions are honorable or not? You and Boris need to start out slow and get to know one another. Group activities like car shows and swap meets would be a good start. Give it some time for a relationship to develop first, and we'll see about letting you two make those rust repairs together.

For now, Boris is an impressionable young man who could be easily overwhelmed with those flirtatious pictures of your floor.

Signed,

Boris' Dad :(

Paul

1950 Land Cruiser project

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3rdGenStude
04-01-2007, 07:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by cabrina

Boris, what do I care that you have a few rust holes?? These do not detract from your strong Land Cruiser frame. [:X][:X] I, too, need new floorplans, trunk, body mounts and am off my rockers. HA!

Let us make beautiful rust repair together. [:X]

Natasha,

Whoa! You can't just come rushing into Boris' life like that. How do I know if your intentions are honorable or not? You and Boris need to start out slow and get to know one another. Group activities like car shows and swap meets would be a good start. Give it some time for a relationship to develop first, and we'll see about letting you two make those rust repairs together.

For now, Boris is an impressionable young man who could be easily overwhelmed with those flirtatious pictures of your floor.

Signed,

Boris' Dad :(

Paul

1950 Land Cruiser project

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Avatars/R_front.jpg http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q248/3rdGenStude/Avatars/back_view.jpg

Roscomacaw
04-01-2007, 08:11 PM
Gang, doubth not, Paul's faith in converting Boris' floors to something a sole could depend upon! After all, Paul's specialty is dealing with things holy.:D

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
04-01-2007, 08:11 PM
Gang, doubth not, Paul's faith in converting Boris' floors to something a sole could depend upon! After all, Paul's specialty is dealing with things holy.:D

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

stude53
04-01-2007, 08:42 PM
Yeah!

Boris Badenough, the Bulletnose Spy!

Like all good spies, Boris needs a patch (well a lot of patches), but it's a start.

Good luck with your project.



[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

stude53
04-01-2007, 08:42 PM
Yeah!

Boris Badenough, the Bulletnose Spy!

Like all good spies, Boris needs a patch (well a lot of patches), but it's a start.

Good luck with your project.



[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

Guido
04-01-2007, 09:11 PM
Biggs,

Your wit has me floored! It's a good thing I know that you are so well heeled.

Gary

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
04-01-2007, 09:11 PM
Biggs,

Your wit has me floored! It's a good thing I know that you are so well heeled.

Gary

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

lstude
04-02-2007, 10:57 AM
Looks like you are doing some quality work, Paul. Keep it up, and keep us posted with the pics.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
04-02-2007, 10:57 AM
Looks like you are doing some quality work, Paul. Keep it up, and keep us posted with the pics.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg