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JBOYLE
08-01-2008, 03:21 PM
Aviation Week magazine's sources (always a good source of real inside stuff) are saying the White House has been briefed on the possibilty (or at least favorable conditions) of life on Mars ahead of a NASA announcement.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/WH08018.xml&headline=White%20House%20Briefed%20On%20Potential%20For%20Mars%20Life&channel=space



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showbizkid
08-01-2008, 05:45 PM
Great. We spent billions to go across the solar system in search of water vapor. [xx(]


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Mark57
08-01-2008, 07:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by showbizkid

Great. We spent billions to go across the solar system in search of water vapor. [xx(]

Clark in San Diego



It's a "human" thing to do... kinda like climbing Mount Everest, or searching for other life in the Universe. :) Not advocating, for anything, just an observation.

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redcreeper
08-01-2008, 07:50 PM
I was listening to coast to coast and they said they had Studebakers on mars. Well sort of they said there was life on mars, I just figured whats life without Studebakers? Right?
Bet its kinda like Kansas some water here and there real hot or real cold very windy and dusty.
Maybe we should drill for oil out there he he ha ha arent ya glad nasa has nothing to do with the price of gas?

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sweetolbob
08-01-2008, 08:33 PM
Kinda grew up as a nerd in the 50's, liked science,cars and girls. The cars and girls are straight forward, but the love of science was driven by the fascination of space and the developing space program. Led to a great career in chemistry and a pretty good life. I could go on about the benefits of the space program (Teflon, drugs, ceramics yada, yada, yada) but the real value is to fascinate our youth to take up a career in science. We've got lawyers, actors and musicians coming out our butts, but the cures for cancer, improved energy development, and the other discoveries that will continue to make life longer and better must be continued by young folks that are driven to discover the new and better. If our space program encourages some to follow a technical future then it is money very well spent.

showbizkid
08-01-2008, 08:55 PM
Yeah, I know - the pursuit of scientific knowledge has value beyond measure. I know this. But sometimes I just wonder what all those billions of dollars might have accomplished here on Earth.


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rockne10
08-01-2008, 09:01 PM
Once more basic needs are met, human beings desire answers to life's persistent questions.

Professor Irwin Corey was once asked, "Why are we here?"

His response was, the question could be broken in to two parts. The first part was "Why?", and his response was, "philosophers will debate that through eternity." The second part was "are we here?", and his response was, "Yes".

As to why the White House was briefed before the NASA announcement? Perhaps they were hoping to find a new unjaded constituency.[:o)]

I'm being facetious, of course but, I sometimes wonder if life would be simpler if we didn't have all the news all the time. Wouldn't it be pleasant to simply look up at the stars and say "WOW"?

By the same token, perhaps understanding how little we may ever understand can teach us humility and compassion...

as long as it doesn't interfer with the restoration of my '53 Coupe!:D

PlainBrownR2
08-02-2008, 01:30 AM
This is monumental, it really is. Ok the MRO has found the channels and the physosillicates, which are the remains of water interacting with the clay. Now the Phoenix lander, combined with the exploration of the dual rovers, have positively identified there is water in them thar hills. The Phoenix lander in particular, as it was able to put a shovel into the Martian ground and hold under a magnifying glass, as well as test for water in the oven. For me, just getting that far was impressive as we would usually just drop a probe and just shoot pictures on the way to the ground. Now I'm hearing here what I heard when I student taught, "Gahhhhh what's the point of learning this!!". Well, we now know that there may possibly be microbial life elsewhere. If it thrives on the toilet seat, on the washroom sink, on a thermal vent at the bottom of the ocean, then it might be able to thrive in the ground on a planet that was literally freeze dried. An interesting instrument on the lander was a microscope to view the water to see the composition of the sand grains. When I saw the pictures beamed back I was waiting to see a critters scoop across the image like they do here on Earth. This is science at its finest. Also sooner or later(much later hopefully) the sun is gonna explode, whether we're on the planet or not. The finding of water here is one more step to allow to leave this rock. In this case we may not be able to bring a year supply of Dasani when we go exploring, so this might allow us to basically pull the water straight from the ground when we step foot on Mars. This won't be a "plant the flag and leave situation", this will be a "build a habitable zone, explore the turf, and then leave" kind of situation.

Actually most of us know this is the tip of the iceberg. There's two sides I can look at science and exploration. One side is this is how it started, looking up and going "Wow!!". Sitting around a fire in front of a cave with a freshly killed mammoth, pondering where the sun goes when it goes down, this is how it started. On the other side, we did try a period where understanding wasn't a necessity. There was about 500 years of it, with humility and compassion there was not. :(

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DEEPNHOCK
08-02-2008, 08:47 AM
What was interesting to me was that the 'water' on Mars is only water in about a five degree range of temps... When the ice melts...add five degrees and it boils off[:0].
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by PlainBrownR2

This is monumental, it really is. &lt;snip&gt;


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gordr
08-02-2008, 12:20 PM
I noticed that some of the pictures taken by this current lander clearly showed frost polygons in the ground, which are a common feature in permafrost areas on Earth. That suggests there are permafrost areas on Mars, too. Very string evidence. Now, somewhere at the base of that permafrost layer, heat flow from the planet's core may have created a melt zone. If there is any microbial life on Mars, that's where I'd look first for it.

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