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Magnum
03-28-2007, 03:26 PM
Sorry if this question has been covered before, but a brief search of postings did not turn up the info needed...

I just bought a '49 2R5 truck with the 170 c.i. six. Near as I can tell, the dipstick is supposed to be incorporated into the oil filler cap. However, mine has no spring steel "stick" attached to the filler cap, nor do my newbie eyes spy what looks like a traditional dipstick anywhere else on the engine.

I have a parts catalog that lists a replacement and will probably order one, but until then I'd like to know the oil level for those occasional drives on beautiful spring days like...oh...today! So here's my question:

Can anyone tell me the length of the dipstick for this kind of engine, from the filler cap to the "Full" mark and then the distance from "Full" to "Low"? If so, I can rig a temporary stick until the replacement arrives.

Thanks in advance,

Mike
"Magnum"

starlightchamp
03-28-2007, 09:01 PM
My 1950 169.8 (170Cu In.) 6 cylinder dip stick measures 12 & 1/8 inches from lip of fill tube to Full Mark. Distance from Fulll
to Low is 1 & 1/4 inches. Total length from lip of fill tube to bottom ia 14 & 1/8 inches. Low mark to end of stick is 3/4 inch.

Magnum
03-28-2007, 09:19 PM
Thanks, Starlightchamp. Just to be clear, is your dipstick integral to the filler cap or does it have its own hole in the block?

Mike

Dwain G.
03-28-2007, 11:05 PM
There is actually an old service bulletin that lists all those dimensions for M and R series trucks. On a 2R5 the dipstick is attached to the oil fill cap and is 17 3/4" long. To locate the full mark you must first measure the oil pan depth. If it is 7 55/64" use dipstick # 678770. The full mark will be 1 7/8" up from the bottom.
If the pan depth is 8 15/64" use dipstick # 680204, and the full mark would be 2 3/32" up from the bottom.
Oh yeah, look down inside the tube and see if the old piece is in there!

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starlightchamp
03-29-2007, 03:37 PM
Mike,
It has its own hole in the block. The dipstick fits into a tube about 6 inches long
that comes out of the blocks left. back, lower, side. The car is a 1950 Starlight. If this sounds
like what you have, I'll take photos of the stick for you. The truck engine may be different.

1950 Champion Starlight
1963 Hawk GT
Santa Barbara
CA
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Magnum
03-29-2007, 09:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by starlightchamp

Mike,
It has its own hole in the block. The dipstick fits into a tube about 6 inches long
that comes out of the blocks left. back, lower, side. The car is a 1950 Starlight. If this sounds
like what you have, I'll take photos of the stick for you. The truck engine may be different.

1950 Champion Starlight
1963 Hawk GT
Santa Barbara
CA

Thanks, Starlightchamp, but it sounds like we have different engines.

Dwain G.: Thanks for the info! I did look down in the tube - no broken spring steel dipstick. Do you know where I can find the parts your provided the numbers for? I have not yet been able to locate a vendor.

Thanks all for you replies and assistance.

Mike

DEEPNHOCK
03-30-2007, 07:45 AM
It should be part of the oil filler vent cap.
Also be aware that you need to make sure that you put the cap back into place with the flat part of the dipstick blade parallel to the crankshaft centerline. Sometimes, if put in crooked, the blade can touch part of the crank, and you'd swear you had a bad tappet.
Ask me how I know;) (Spent an hour looking for ghost's)
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by Magnum

Sorry if this question has been covered before, but a brief search of postings did not turn up the info needed...

I just bought a '49 2R5 truck with the 170 c.i. six. Near as I can tell, the dipstick is supposed to be incorporated into the oil filler cap. However, mine has no spring steel "stick" attached to the filler cap, nor do my newbie eyes spy what looks like a traditional dipstick anywhere else on the engine.
I have a parts catalog that lists a replacement and will probably order one, but until then I'd like to know the oil level for those occasional drives on beautiful spring days like...oh...today! So here's my question:
Can anyone tell me the length of the dipstick for this kind of engine, from the filler cap to the "Full" mark and then the distance from "Full" to "Low"? If so, I can rig a temporary stick until the replacement arrives.
Thanks in advance,
Mike
"Magnum"

Dwain G.
03-31-2007, 12:31 AM
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Do you know where I can find the parts your provided the numbers for? I have not yet been able to locate a vendor.
Mike
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It's possible one of the vendors has a NOS part. Click on SDC Home at the top of this page and from there go to the vendor list and start calling. I think the part number may be stamped right on the dipstick, so that may help if you find a used part.
As Jeff said those things can get mangled if bent a little and not installed just so. Years ago I remember a guy that had that happen, so he put a regular breather cap on his pickup and kept the cap with dipstick behind the seat! Have you looked?

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jpvill4th
03-31-2007, 02:33 AM
Call Dennis Lambert at SASCO. He may have it in stock.

Roscomacaw
03-31-2007, 12:22 PM
SASCO shows both those numbers in stock. One at $21 and the other at $18. such a deal![:0]

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57 Silver Hawk
05-03-2008, 07:01 PM
Hi everyone,
When I came across this thread. Now it is a good time for me to ask a question about the oil dipstick from V8 289 engine in my '57 Silver Hawk. After I changed oil engine and oil filter cartridge few days ago for first time since I inherited this car from my mom six years ago. I was puzzled why did it took almost seven quarts of oil motor. The owner manual says it should be 5 quarts and it didn't mentioned one quart more if oil filter changed. Could the length of oil dipstick is wrong? I am sure the engine is all original since my grandpa bought it as brand new. The length of oil dipstick is 23-3/4" between end of dipstick and inside of the cap. However, I drove it yesterday and it seems fine...
Hope one of you will solve this problem. Thanks for any help in advance!

Have a nice weekend!
Steven (now 3rd Hawk owner)

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StudeRich
05-03-2008, 07:58 PM
Steven; the 23 3/4" is correct. The oil could be building up at the back of the valve cover, and may eventually drain down really confusing you! The '57 engine has a very small single drain hole at the rear of the head, which on a seldom driven car can plug up with sludge and slow the draining and cause leaks.

These holes were opened up on later engines, and some older ones have been modified to drain better.

You order the newer type neoprene valve cover gaskets and (8) Grommets BEFORE you remove the valve covers for cleaning drains, torquing heads, valve adjustment and new gaskets.

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

Swifster
05-04-2008, 12:47 AM
Dip sticks can vary from car to car. On a production line, most everything from door gaps to...dip sticks, will have a tolerance. I haven't relied on a dip stick to give me accurate information since I was 20.

What I do, especially when I first get a car is to change the oil and fill with the correct amount of oil per the service or owners manual. It it's 5 quarts, it's five quarts. THEN I check the dip stick. Where ever the oil level is on the dip stick is FULL. I do not cater to a item that was built to a plus or minus standard.

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

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Lark Parker
05-04-2008, 08:51 AM
quote:Originally posted by Swifster

Dip sticks can vary from car to car. On a production line, most everything from door gaps to...dip sticks, will have a tolerance. I haven't relied on a dip stick to give me accurate information since I was 20.

What I do, especially when I first get a car is to change the oil and fill with the correct amount of oil per the service or owners manual. It it's 5 quarts, it's five quarts. THEN I check the dip stick. Where ever the oil level is on the dip stick is FULL. I do not cater to a item that was built to a plus or minus standard.
Tom - Mulberry, FL

Tom, you are a wild and crazy guy! The difference between your method and mine is that, afterwards, I put a file nick on the dip stick to mark the desired level and then I don't have to remember which car needed what.



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DEEPNHOCK
05-04-2008, 09:03 AM
Dale,
My wife uses a similar method to mark for the desired level, but she uses lipstick[}:)]
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by Lark Parker
Tom, you are a wild and crazy guy! The difference between your method and mine is that, afterwards, I put a file nick on the dip stick to mark the desired level and then I don't have to remember which car needed what.


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Doug Arnold
05-04-2008, 09:07 AM
A nick?!? On a perfectly good oil stick?!? a SIn

Swifster
05-04-2008, 11:04 AM
quote:Originally posted by Lark Parker
[brTom, you are a wild and crazy guy! The difference between your method and mine is that, afterwards, I put a file nick on the dip stick to mark the desired level and then I don't have to remember which car needed what.

I haven't had so many cars that I can't remember one from the other. Now if I had 5 or more...[}:)]

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

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Lark Parker
05-04-2008, 11:39 AM
quote:Originally posted by Swifster


quote:Originally posted by Lark Parker
[brTom, you are a wild and crazy guy! The difference between your method and mine is that, afterwards, I put a file nick on the dip stick to mark the desired level and then I don't have to remember which car needed what.

I haven't had so many cars that I can't remember one from the other. Now if I had 5 or more...[}:)]
Tom - Mulberry, FL


I only have three running Studebakers -- but I have a bad memory.
Apparently Jeff's household has more to keep track of.

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