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gordr
06-19-2008, 02:08 PM
First thing, the "Studebaker Mechanic on Duty" sign came down from the garage. Then, down came the hail-riddled vinyl siding it was nailed to.

That's right! Off with the old siding, and on with new stucco. The stucco contractor is here now, hanging stucco wire. He stripped the one side, them I came out and stripped the north wall, so it's now ready for him. I'm having a bite of lunch, then will strip the east and south sides. Not much to strip on the south side; it's mostly garage door.

The house is getting done, too, and both buildings will get new steel roofing. The place will look a LOT different once it's done. We plan to get a start on the roofing Saturday. I'll take some pictures.

Just got back from an all-day meeting yesterday, held by the energy company for whom I've been doing most of my work. They have committed to moving big-time into an unconventional gas play in the Montney shale and siltstones of northwestern Alberta and NE British Columbia. There are estimates in the press of between 50 and 700 trillion cubic feet of recoverable gas (from the formation as a whole, which has a number of major players involved). That's a huge resource. It looks like I won't have any scarcity of work in the foreseeable future; might be more like too much.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

BobGlasscock
06-19-2008, 04:40 PM
Sign came down? No one to work on my Stude anymore? ;)

You're going to be thrilled to not have vinyl siding anymore! I had some on my house and all of my shop and HATE it. It comes off, splits, warps, and all sorts of things. I had steel siding put everywhere on my house that used to have vinyl, and I LOVE it. I also had a steel roof put on, and LOVE it, too. Not only do I feel so much more secure during hail storms and wind storms, but with the insurance reduction, it will pay for itself in just a few years.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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tomnoller
06-20-2008, 09:36 AM
How dent resistant are those steel roofs in a hailstorm?
I have 3 flippin' layers of asphalt shingles on mine and would love to replace it all with steel.

Western Washington, USA

gordr
06-20-2008, 09:59 AM
The steel, as I understand it, is pretty springy, so smaller hail will just bounce off. Maybe golf-ball sized hail would dent it, but the roof will continue to perform OK.

Hail knocks the stone chips off asphalt shingles; then the sun curls them, and they commence to fall off.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

JBOYLE
06-20-2008, 10:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by tomnoller

How dent resistant are those steel roofs in a hailstorm?
I have 3 flippin' layers of asphalt shingles on mine and would love to replace it all with steel.

Western Washington, USA


From my recent experience in West Texas...metal roofs are the new "in " thing. Insurance companies love them because of hail protection. They dent in REALLY bad hail, that's it.
They're on a lot of upscale homes.

In west Texas, you never have to buy a new roof, it's guarenteed that before your old one needs replacing due to age, it will be wrecked by hail and the insurance company will buy you a new one.
At least that's how it worked for me.

When I moved to Washington state, my home insurance dropped by half (no tornados or hail) even though my house it worth three times as much!

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

BobGlasscock
06-20-2008, 03:44 PM
What Gordr and John said emphatically. John, what part of West Texas did you live in? I haven't had a 'large' hail storm since installing mine, but was told by manufacturers, dealers, builders and my insurance company that it would take golf-ball or larger sized hail to dent it. My thoughts are that I don't really care if there are dents in the roof as long as the roof has its' protective integrity. Asphalt shingle roofs get ugly just with normal deterioration, this roof will maintain its' color and shaping whether it has small dents or not. Another thing that I have noticed with the very heavy rains we get, and the normal sized hail, is that the sound is just like a waterfall rather than the beating sound, which is very refreshing to me. I was concerned about the sound since the only experience I have with metal is quonset barns and the like. This roof sounds wonderful. It can be put on on top of asphalt shingles, so that adds dampening and cushioning. No one asked, but it cost me about twice what removing one layer and re-shingling would have cost. John is right about us always getting a free roof due to storms, but this roof gives me total piece of mind. No wind damage, either. And the insurance premium drop is great, too. Mine dropped about 30%, and those savings will pay for the difference in asphalt and steel in less than 8 years. No proof or science, but I think my utility bills in the summer are less, also. Don't have any utility bill for heating in the winter as I use a pellet stove. So I am a true stovehugger, and have steel over my Stude.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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JBOYLE
06-20-2008, 04:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobGlasscock

What Gordr and John said emphatically. John, what part of West Texas did you live in?

Abilene, from Sept. 1997 to Oct. 2004.
Great people, nice enough town.
Don't really miss the weather much, though.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

BobGlasscock
06-20-2008, 08:28 PM
Thanks John. I'm in Lubbock. Abilene's weather has been horrible the last couple of years with rain. But, like you said, nice town and people.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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monomaniac
06-20-2008, 09:02 PM
You're in Lubbock? Home of my teenage idol.
I have every song Buddy ever recorded.

sweetolbob
06-20-2008, 09:32 PM
Bob, Thanks for the input on the steel shingle roof. Here in Mid-Michigan the coated steel shingles are just gaining a foothold. Our weather is not a violent as Texas, I didn't know what a real thunderstorm was until I spent a night at DFW in a Texas thunderstorm WOW. The price has been an issue but I live in a woods and my 50 year asphalt shingle roof has expired in 15 years. I have decided to go with steel shingles and you're comments have reinforced the decision. Thx, Bob

BobGlasscock
06-20-2008, 09:48 PM
quote:Originally posted by monomaniac

You're in Lubbock? Home of my teenage idol.
I have every song Buddy ever recorded.



That's a very worthy collection, indeed! He'll be my idol all my life. Much of his life is still living here, and I am constantly amazed at how casually people here are unaware of his legacy. I could go on forever, just as I wish Buddy could have. Come visit this September during our illegimate Buddy Holly Festival!

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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BobGlasscock
06-20-2008, 09:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by sweetolbob

Bob, Thanks for the input on the steel shingle roof. Here in Mid-Michigan the coated steel shingles are just gaining a foothold. Our weather is not a violent as Texas, I didn't know what a real thunderstorm was until I spent a night at DFW in a Texas thunderstorm WOW. The price has been an issue but I live in a woods and my 50 year asphalt shingle roof has expired in 15 years. I have decided to go with steel shingles and you're comments have reinforced the decision. Thx, Bob


Just so there is no confusion, Bob, I have a steel sheet roof, not actual 'shingles'. Those are also very popular here, and I don't see why they wouldn't be just as good. Much more attractive, and probably more expensive. I am pretty sure that there are more steel sheet roofs here than steel shingles.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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sweetolbob
06-20-2008, 10:55 PM
Bob, Thanks for the clarification, Sheet steel roofs,i.e. Standing seam, are used in northern Michigan as they shed snow better than any other roof. Your comments are still germane as the thicker coating on the shingles can only result in less noise. Bob

gordr
06-24-2008, 10:50 PM
The "edit post" function is broken, so I'll add pictures as an update.

First pic shows the house before the work commenced. Upper siding is vinyl, lower is painted cedar boards.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/gordintrochu/SWcorner.jpg


Second pic shows the garage with the vinyl siding ripped off the west side, and the stucco wire in place. No R-Foil bubble wrap to go on the garage. That red metal in the corner is side panels for an M16 truck front clip.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/gordintrochu/StuccoJob01.jpg

Third pic shows the north end of the house, with the siding stripped, and the first piece of bubble wrap insulation in place. Note that I'm using my '53 2R17A grain truck as a mobile scaffold. Works great, too.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/gordintrochu/StuccoJob02.jpg

Fourth pic shows Claws the cat, up on a stepladder, eyeing a leap to the roof..."One small jump for a Cat, one giant leap for Cat-kind." I got him down before he made the attempt. Bubble wrap is now done all the way around the house. Stucco wire goes up tomorrow, weather permitting.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/gordintrochu/StuccoJob03.jpg

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

65cruiser
06-25-2008, 08:12 AM
Nice to see a Studebaker truck still earning its keep.:)

Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
www.65cruiser.com

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

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BobPalma
06-25-2008, 08:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by gordr

Just got back from an all-day meeting yesterday, held by the energy company for whom I've been doing most of my work. They have committed to moving big-time into an unconventional gas play in the Montney shale and siltstones of northwestern Alberta and NE British Columbia. There are estimates in the press of between 50 and 700 trillion cubic feet of recoverable gas (from the formation as a whole, which has a number of major players involved). That's a huge resource. It looks like I won't have any scarcity of work in the foreseeable future; might be more like too much.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands


:) Gord: I, for one, appreciate your periodic reports on various aspects of the energy situation. It is good to have legitimate information from someone who is personally known and trusted, and who actually works in the field (pardon the pun!).

Please continue. :)BP

55s
07-02-2008, 05:16 PM
I, too, have siding. I also have obscene heating bills.

I am curious as to what what you figure the improved insulation/foil/bubble wrap will do. Local contractors here wanted to use styrofoam. Does this add an extra vapour barrier and is that O.K.?

Good luck and keep us posted.

I don't believe Claws was about to jump - he is just inspecting your job. What else do cats have to do?? Our cat managed to get her claws in all three concrete pours at our place.

Good Luck.

Paul

gordr
07-02-2008, 08:57 PM
Paul, the R-foil insulation is rated at about R-5. Not a lot, but it adds to whatever is already in the walls, and that isn't amenable to change. And I taped all the joints with Tuck tape, so it constitutes a vapor barrier as well, plus blocking air infiltration to some extent. The sheathing on the house was shiplap, with tarpaper over that, so there really wasn't a complete vapor barrier membrane before that. I don't know how much the new insulation will affect the heating bills, but it should offer some improvement, and it only cost about $800 for the 4 rolls I bought (of which I used about 2 1/2). I should see payback within a year or two.

Incidentally, this R-foil insulation is very similar to what you see sold as "hotrod insulation". so you know what will happen to the remainder of the third roll. The untouched fourth roll I'll return to the dealer if they will accept it.

And yes, I'm pretty sure Claws had his mind on jumping up to the roof for a look-see. He was eyeing the distance from the ladder top to the eaves pretty intently.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

Guido
07-02-2008, 09:42 PM
Gord,

Will you finish this project before summer ends next week? ;)

Gary

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gordr
08-09-2008, 02:40 AM
Update: as of a couple of weeks ago, the roofing and stucco are both done. Woo-hoo! Here's a picture: http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/gordintrochu/NewRoofandStucco.jpg

I've since picked up the pile of wood in the yard, and done some mowing, so the place looks semi-civilized.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

bams50
08-09-2008, 06:27 AM
It looks good, Gord! For the last few weeks at night, then the last 3 days and nights, I've been a groundskeeper and landscaper, getting things ready for my son's Grad. party. The place looks better than it ever has, but [xx(][xx(] too much of work I don't really like[|)]

My Studes have been moved from the forefront- however, they are still part of the picture[^]

Looks like now it's time to get that Wagonaire finished;)

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"It was the last chance for Studebaker to turn things around. The company was down to its last bullet, and this new small car was it. They called it the Lark"

Dick Steinkamp
08-09-2008, 08:02 PM
That tall, narrow, gray building dead center in the picture needs a half moon on the door ;) [:o)]

Seriously...lookin; good, Gord! Is that a metal roof on the house? I always thought that was THE best idea for roofing material and am surprised I don't see more of them.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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mbstude
08-09-2008, 08:16 PM
Gord, get in the Wagonaire and park it between the Daytona HT and the red two door. Then take another picture. ;)

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA
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BobGlasscock
08-09-2008, 08:54 PM
Your roof looks the same as mine, hope you like it. Ok, it's a different color, I admit it.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner
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bams50
08-10-2008, 07:36 AM
I agree about metal roofing. I have it on my other properties, but when my new house was built I let the builders talk me out of it[}:)] So now it's only 4 years old, but when it starts getting tired it DEFINITELY will get metal. Biggest advantage around here is ease of snow accumulation removal.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"It was the last chance for Studebaker to turn things around. The company was down to its last bullet, and this new small car was it. They called it the Lark"

N8N
08-10-2008, 07:46 AM
seamed steel roofs seem to be very popular in rural PA. I'm guessing because once asphalt shingles get old they blow off easily in heavy winds. Typically everyone pops for a red colored roof though, not sure why. I have seamed steel on my garage, 50 year guarantee. Even assuming it was installed 10 years ago, I'll be over 70 years old before I have to worry about it :)

nate

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55 Commander Starlight
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gordr
08-11-2008, 11:02 AM
Yes, it is a steel roof. I chose it for the low-maintenance features, and hail resistance. Big hail may dent it, but won't compromise it's utility.

Matt, the Wagonaire cannot be moved at the moment, it's up on blocks.

And, Dick, that little building did once serve the purpose you envisage.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

StudeRich
08-11-2008, 07:34 PM
Look'in GOOD Gord! "PEACHY keen" house and garage Stucco job! [^]

The dark gray-Green metal roofing like that is starting to become popular up here mostly in rural areas, and also that color on metal pole building roofs and trim. The roof looks good too!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

barnlark
08-12-2008, 12:12 AM
Gord, I think they forgot to re-roof and stucco the dog house. Dogs hate hail. BTW, I think I may have hit a roof or two with my golf ball size golf balls. :D The sound of a metal roof from a slice would be even more embarrassing. ;)

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gordr
08-12-2008, 10:07 AM
That's not the doghouse; it's the cover over the well casing. Used to be the cupola on the barn, before the barn got an aluminum roof. I'm going to build a new wellhouse to replace it, as every board in it is rotten.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands