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Mach5
03-27-2007, 10:38 PM
I just bought, according to the title, a 1960 Hawk. but the more I dig, the more suspect things become. Could someone help me ID this car. Lets start with the basics. The door plate says 60V-59342. under the hood 60V C6 3765. And the engine V5282I8. from what i gather from info on the net, the engine is from a 1961 Lark but I could be wrong! The car has no wings and the turn signals are on top of the front fenders. Above the back window is a wide chrome strip that seems to only be on the earlier cars. The lens on the front turn signals reads 56.Any suggestions?#65532;

N8N
03-27-2007, 10:46 PM
serial and body tags indicate a '60 but your description makes me think it's been trimmed as a '56? (only year Hawk I can think of with no fins and stainless band and yes it does have the fender mount turn signals)

What frame is under it? Do you have a one-piece driveshaft or a two-piece with a crossmember for the carrier bearing?

the "V" in the engine number means it's a 259; IIRC '59 was the only year for 259s in Hawks, but it's not a bad engine. However as old as it is it might just be a 259 block used as a replacement block for a 289 build, as the blocks were identical in every way. Pull a spark plug and look at the pistons, if they are dished it's probably a 289. (if they're flat, it could either be a 259 or a 289 with R1 pistons)

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Roscomacaw
03-27-2007, 10:48 PM
Well - the two tags say it's a 60! 60 C6 would be a '60 Hawk, BUT... the stuff you mention as being odd to your Hawk, is just stuff from earlier "C"-body cars. That the basic body dates all the way back to 1953 means it's easy to "customize" without too much effort at all!
That eng# is indeed from a 1961 (a 259 cu.in. V8), but there's no way you can tell if it started life in a Hawk or Lark. Besides, all car 259s that year would have been identical anyway.:)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

StudeRich
03-28-2007, 02:00 PM
Hi Mach5 welcome to SDC! One of the things that came to my mind when thinking about your car is that one of the biggest changes that Studebaker made between the '56-'58 Power Hawk/Silver Hawk and '59-'61 Hawks is they upgraded the trim level from a 4 to a 6 (60V-C6) that means that you should have all the cool stuff like a color keyed dash & interior (most prior Hawk dashes were all flat black) and other things like Chrome vent window frames, 1/4 window frames, Carpeting even on kick panels wooo!, yea!, '60-'61 even have wheelhouse mouldings.

So it would be easy to tell that this is a '60 not a '56 even without fins and those (ugly?) parking lights in the side grills! [^] I think it would be a neat looking car! [^]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Mach5
03-28-2007, 06:14 PM
Thanks for all the quick replies!! Great info!
Let me start off with this, N8N it has a one-piece drive shaft and the pistons are dished. Mr.Biggs thanks for confirming the engine stamp! StudeRich It does have all that wooo, yea stuff.
Can I post pics and if so how?

StudeRich
03-28-2007, 08:19 PM
To post a pic, go to General Studebaker Discussion, at the top of the page there is a "sticky" that always stays at the top called how to post a pic, that tells you how. It basically requires a Photo Bucket site with pics up on the web to bring em in here.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

N8N
03-28-2007, 09:57 PM
If it has a one piece driveshaft that means the chassis, transmission, and driveshaft are all 58 or newer. If you know the difference in rear springs between early and late cars that would be 100% confirmation that it probably is all 1960. (or you could check your "secret serial number" on the rearmost frame crossmember - you will have to remove the gravel deflector - and see if it matches the serial tag on the A-pillar. If it does, then likely it is as I suspect an actual '60 Hawk that's just had some cosmetic backdating.)

Dished pistons say to me that it is a standard 289. Maybe someone done blowed up the original block and just built it back up with the '61 block. Nothing wrong with that, unless the number bothers you. Might want to check the numbers on the carb, distributor, generator, and starter just so you know what you have should you need to order any parts in the future. The late model shop manual I believe has all the numbers in it so you know what to ask for at your FLAPS (i.e. they may not have a listing for an "Autolite GJP-7402E" but "Generator for a '62 Studebaker V-8" may make more sense.)

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N8N
03-28-2007, 09:59 PM
Oh, you might be able to answer me a question I wanted to ask... what kind of taillights does your car have? Do each of them have two round lenses? If so, do they look OK without the fins?

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Mach5
03-28-2007, 10:23 PM
I hope this works http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/Mach5_Stude/?action=view&current=DSCF2050.jpghttp://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s267/Mach5_Stude/?action=view&current=DSCF2003.jpg

Roscomacaw
03-29-2007, 02:02 PM
Lookin' at those photos - it's obvious that someone's made a bit of a custom out of your car. Not that bad if it doesn't bother you or you like it that way. It's STILL all Studebaker and that's what matters![8D]
That roof band would have a piece at each end that sorta fairs in to the fender-cap stainless pieces. It appears yours doesn't have those and THAT would make me think the band was ADDED from a 55-56 car.
The fender-top parking lites. EASILY added if that was someone's idea of cool! And it really ISN'T that objectionable to my eye.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

PackardV8
03-31-2007, 10:17 PM
At a glance, it would look like a '56 Power Hawk with '60 side grilles, '55 Speedster top stainless and '53-54 taillights. FWIW, I like it.

thnx, jv.

PackardV8

StudeRich
03-31-2007, 11:05 PM
Mach5; it has '53 C & K model tail lights, AND those valve covers are '63-'64 type! That could mean a late '62 to '64 full-flow engine, a very GOOD thing! [^]Does it have an oil filter on the right side of engine at the lower rear?

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

N8N
04-01-2007, 07:39 AM
just FYI the trunk lid is a '56 as well. I still stand by my guess that it's a '60 that someone backdated to look like a '56, although the taillights are even earlier than that. The hood I believe is correct for 57-61, but isn't that attractive :)

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1961HAWK
04-01-2007, 08:47 AM
I have a hood you might want. it has some small bending at the weak point. would be easy to straighten and add the stiffners. come get it before it rust away.

Erin Hays
1961 Hawk
1962 Lark
1963 Wagonaire

studegary
04-01-2007, 12:43 PM
I believe that you have a 1960 Hawk that has received a lot of customization with Studebaker parts.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

Mach5
04-02-2007, 10:57 AM
Funny thing about the oil filter StudeRich, It doesnít have one! I drove the car up on a set of ramps so I could change the oil and nothing, noda, zip, zilch. I looked for a half an hour for anything that remotely resembled an oil filter or an oil canister. Can you think of any reason someone would remove the oil filter bracket?
What do I need to get a filter back on the engine?
Thanks to everyone that has commented to my pleas for help and if I understand you all, I have a 1953 thru 1964 Studebaker Hawk, I donít think that will fit on the title? I guess that slams the door on keeping in original!
1961 Hawk I would be very interested in the hood you have!!!!!!
Thanks to you all!!

Roscomacaw
04-02-2007, 01:35 PM
As to the filter, as hard as it is to fathom in this day and age, it was an option.
WHY would it have been removed? Good question. But they might have thought they couldn't get replacement filters or some such thing. Maybe one of the flex hoses that directs the oil to the filter and back to the block had cracked and so it was just easier to eliminate the whole mess.
One IMPORTANT thing if you put one back on - the brass fitting that diverts some of the oil from one head - it's a restricted flow fitting. I think the hole in it is .045 dia. or something like that. This setup is only a "bypass filtration" setup and the restricted fitting keeps you from losing too much oil pressure thru the filter circuit.
I assume your car has the oil filler pipe at the front of the engine? If so, I have some used filter setups available.:)

BTW, Rich.... how do we stand on that TP filter? I brought it up from the shop the other day.

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

1961HAWK
04-07-2007, 03:53 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-Hawk-Hood-Corners-NOT-BENT-UP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ140705QQihZ002QQitemZ120104509511QQrdZ1

here is a hood on ebay you might be interested in.

Erin Hays
1961 Hawk
1962 Lark
1963 Wagonaire

N8N
04-07-2007, 05:00 PM
I would ask to see better pics of the front of that hood before bidding; that appears to be a GT Hawk hood, possibly a 63-64 (which won't work on any other car) but I can't be 100% sure. If it is a '62 it will work but you won't be able to mount the chrome scoop.

nate

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r1lark
04-07-2007, 05:06 PM
quote:Originally posted by 1961HAWK

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-Hawk-Hood-Corners-NOT-BENT-UP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ140705QQihZ002QQitemZ120104509511QQrdZ1

here is a hood on ebay you might be interested in.

Erin Hays
1961 Hawk
1962 Lark
1963 Wagonaire


This looks like a GT hood. A '62 would work fine, but a '63 or '64 would not fit right around the side grilles AFAIK.

Paul

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1961HAWK
04-07-2007, 05:49 PM
you can mount the chrome scope. just i little trimming.

Erin Hays
1961 Hawk
1962 Lark
1963 Wagonaire