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jnewkirk77
04-18-2008, 05:08 AM
Well, I got an interesting wake-up this morning. At about 4:36 AM CDT, a magnitude 5.4 earthquake struck near West Salem, Illinois. That's about 65 miles NNW of Evansville, Indiana and about 100 miles NW of me here in Owensboro.

I've felt earthquakes before, but nothing like this. I know those folks in California would probably laugh at me, but it was pretty frightening. I was sitting here at the computer and the next thing I knew, the hubcaps and tools on my garage wall were moving and so was I! My desk chair wobbled backward and I ended up having to grab my desk to keep from heading toward the middle of the room! [:0]

The good news is that we're all OK and there's no damage here. Everyone woke up, though, even my Dad ... Mom was in the process of calling me when I called her and she said it about shook them out of bed, but they're OK as well.

If there's interest, I'll post again later to let you know over how broad an area this one was felt. So far, I know reports have come in from St. Louis and Indianapolis, but I don't know how far east or south it was felt.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

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lstude
04-18-2008, 06:27 AM
Glad you are OK.

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A1956GoldenHawk
04-18-2008, 07:04 AM
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quote:Originally posted by jnewkirk77

... If there's interest, I'll post again later to let you know over how broad an area this one was felt. So far, I know reports have come in from St. Louis and Indianapolis, but I don't know how far east or south it was felt.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY


Woke us up here in South Bend ...247 miles from the epicenter.

No reports of injuries thus far ...or damge to Stude parts at SASCO either!;)


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jnewkirk77
04-18-2008, 08:33 AM
I've heard that it was felt all the way from eastern Kansas to West Virginia, and from Michigan to Georgia. It sure was a whopper!

Since the sun came up, I have been able to get outside and look for damage. Fortunately, there is none, unless you count some cracks in the yard maybe a half-inch wide.

Latest word from USGS is that they have actually downgraded the quake to a 5.2 on the Richter scale.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

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BobPalma
04-18-2008, 09:25 AM
:) Definitely felt in Brownsburg IN, NW of Indianapolis! I was half asleep and woke up when Paxton (the dog) was barking in an unusual manner. Then I felt it! Undoubtedly, she was more sensitive to lesser motions and felt tremors before us humanoids. 'Can't find any damage, fortunately. :DBP

Dick Steinkamp
04-18-2008, 10:04 AM
I've been through several on the West Coast and they certainly are no fun. Glad all are OK.

Us West Coasters get some well deserved heat for choosing to live in "earthquake country", but actually, the New Madrid Seismic Zone...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Fault_Zone

...has as much or more potential for real destruction as our west coast faults

"The probability of magnitude 6.0 or greater in the near future is considered significant; a 90% chance of such an earthquake by 2040 has been given. In the June 23, 2005, issue of the journal Nature, the odds of another 8.0 event within 50 years were estimated to be between 7 and 10 percent.[6]

Because of the unconsolidated sediments which are a major part of the underlying geology of the Mississippi embayment, as well as the river sediments along the Mississippi and Ohio River valleys to the north and east (note the red fingers extending up these valleys in the image above), large quakes have the potential for more widespread damage than major quakes on the west coast. Additionally, the area affected will be larger since beyond the rift zone itself there are few other faults to attenuate the seismic waves."


Wait a minute...tornadoes, hurricanes, hail storms, snow, floods...now earthquakes in the MidWest. I think I'm staying put ;)

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glen
04-18-2008, 10:08 AM
Well I still have beach front property in the "Zone" if anyone
is interested....Just last week the "quake forcasters" were
saying that California and et al. were due for a big one by
2030......stay tune as the date gets closer!

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65cruiser
04-18-2008, 11:00 AM
We just got rumbled in Louisville again about 30 minutes ago (11:30 a.m. EST).

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Chris Pile
04-18-2008, 11:07 AM
Yes, Dick - the New Madrid event must have been a real rock'n'roller of an earthquake.
But the middle of the country isn't going to fall of the edge of the continent into the ocean.

Chris Pile
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Dick Steinkamp
04-18-2008, 11:24 AM
quote:Originally posted by Chris Pile

Yes, Dick - the New Madrid event must have been a real rock'n'roller of an earthquake.
But the middle of the country isn't going to fall of the edge of the continent into the ocean.


Other than what I posted about the New Madrid being potentially more widespread, the biggest problem might be the age of a lot of the buidings in the midwest compared to the west coast (more fragile) and the fact that even many of the newer buildings are not built to the same tough earthquake standards as newer west coast buildings (sheer walls, foundation attachments, etc.).

Earthquakes aren't fun. Hopefully smaller quakes like the one experienced today will relieve the pressure on the fault preventing the REALLY BIG one.

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glen
04-18-2008, 12:30 PM
But then on the Sci Fi Channel, a few weeks ago they aired "10.1"
parts 1 and 2, with Jeff Bridges and alot of unknowns...part 2
depicts the spliting of us in 2, from the gulf all the way north.
Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction......

glen Brose - Perkinsville, AZ
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bams50
04-18-2008, 03:52 PM
I don't scare very easily, but that sounds like a shorts-changer to me! As has been stated, glad everyone's OK.



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bondobilly
04-18-2008, 04:28 PM
NYC is on a huge "fault line" called the Ramapo Fault Line. Worse yet is they built a neuclear generatng plant at Indian Point NY, which they say would get hit hard should the Ramapo Fault Line go. It did a few years ao, nothing big, about a 2.3.

PlainBrownR2
04-18-2008, 04:50 PM
Woke up to a slight vibrating from under my bed and my Coke Bottles clinking together, but went back to sleep after the 5 seconds or so of the earth moving. This was my second, where my first that I remember was Troy Grove back in June 2005 on the Sandwich Fault, which wasn't much more than a burp. Later on that morning when I was getting ready to go to school the news came back and called it a 5.2. Later on that day I put myself as a witness to the quake on the USGS site and apparently, by the time it reached are part of the woods it was a Magnitude 3.0. Yes we have the New Madrid fault, so named for the town that got buried by the Mississippi River during the time when the Studebaker brothers were in the wagon trade. It doesn't jolt as frequently as the San Andreas but when a major earthquake hits, it hits hard. Them folks on the West Coast who ship from SASCO will be screaming bloody murder if the New Madrid fault moves as the Mississipi River region contains some major transportation hubs. The earthquake that occurred, occurred along the Wabash fault, which is an extension of the New Madrid fault. Our earthquakes are also much closer to the earth's surface so they basically ripple across the ground. Now that energy doesn't disappear, it gets transferred, which is how they predicted the earthquakes in Turkey. This level of earthquake happened last in '96 on Thanksgiving Day, so they give a regularity of every 10 years or so.

Considering the ground moves on the West Coast all time, coupled to fires, floods, CARB, mudslides, and a volcano eruption or two, I can contend with snows, random tornadoes, drought conditions(another one the West Coast, well the world would be screaming about), heat and extreme cold. The occasional movement of the earth underneath doesn't really bother me. [}:)]




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jnewkirk77
04-18-2008, 05:05 PM
Mark was right on about the 4.6 aftershock which hit at 10:30 my time (he's in the EDT zone). It didn't shake here nearly so much as the first one. In fact, that was about the SEVENTH aftershock, but the ones between the two "biggies" were all in the 2.2-2.6 range and near the first quake, which made them too weak to be felt where I am.

I'm still finding small cracks in the soil around my yard, mainly on the west side of the house and out front near the street. That is interesting, because it's the kind of cracking we normally see after a prolonged lack of rain, which we most definitely have had NO issue with this year! We're FAR wetter than normal, and more rain is coming this evening.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

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DEEPNHOCK
04-18-2008, 05:13 PM
My employer started in business in West Salem, Il around 1928.
(That was the epicenter)
I called them and asked them if they had any damage.
No, but it is the talk of the town, for sure.
I did notice a huge problem with telephone service around 2PM to the midwest.
I watched the animals for peculiar behavior,
but all of my animals are peculiar, so I didn't notice any difference;)
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jnewkirk77
04-18-2008, 05:21 PM
quote:Originally posted by glen

But then on the Sci Fi Channel, a few weeks ago they aired "10.1"
parts 1 and 2, with Jeff Bridges and alot of unknowns...part 2
depicts the spliting of us in 2, from the gulf all the way north.
Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction......

glen Brose - Perkinsville, AZ
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That is odd, Glen ... I just found my videotape copy of 10.5 Apocalypse (the second part) that I recorded a couple of years ago while we were on vacation. And I watched it all the way through night before last. I got kind of a creepy feeling when I realized what was going on this morning.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

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stidman123
04-18-2008, 09:45 PM
i live about 40 mile south of the epicenter. they said it felt pretty wild this close but i was in oklahoma at the time. done missed out again!!!!

Mark57
04-19-2008, 12:28 AM
Glad to hear everyone's OK! :) Unfortunately, it seems there is no "safe place" on the planet... If you are in an earthquake free area, you may have to worry about Tornados, or Hurricanes, or Tsunamis, etc. etc.

We all seem to have adapted to making our homes in a location where there is always a chance of some type of natural disaster - we just seem to get used to the type that occurs where we live. ;)

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jnewkirk77
04-19-2008, 12:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

I've been through several on the West Coast and they certainly are no fun. Glad all are OK.

Us West Coasters get some well deserved heat for choosing to live in "earthquake country", but actually, the New Madrid Seismic Zone...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Fault_Zone

...has as much or more potential for real destruction as our west coast faults

"The probability of magnitude 6.0 or greater in the near future is considered significant; a 90% chance of such an earthquake by 2040 has been given. In the June 23, 2005, issue of the journal Nature, the odds of another 8.0 event within 50 years were estimated to be between 7 and 10 percent.[6]

Because of the unconsolidated sediments which are a major part of the underlying geology of the Mississippi embayment, as well as the river sediments along the Mississippi and Ohio River valleys to the north and east (note the red fingers extending up these valleys in the image above), large quakes have the potential for more widespread damage than major quakes on the west coast. Additionally, the area affected will be larger since beyond the rift zone itself there are few other faults to attenuate the seismic waves."


Wait a minute...tornadoes, hurricanes, hail storms, snow, floods...now earthquakes in the MidWest. I think I'm staying put ;)

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Dick,

About 17 or 18 years ago, one of my distant cousins, a geologist, was on a USGS team that determined this area is actually part of a different seismic zone. As it lies within the Wabash River valley, it was named the Wabash Valley Seismic Zone. They found evidence of many 6.5-7.0 quakes thousands of years ago. I'm not too technical on that stuff, but when he tells me the trees that were damaged by sand blows were 6100 years old, I have to believe him.

These quakes (and we've had at least seven since the first one yesterday morning) were centered right in the heart of the WVSZ. I do hope that the worst is behind us, but I do wonder if this series might've stirred up the Wabash's neighbor to the south, the well-known and fearsome New Madrid.

As a service to my fellow parishioners, this week's church bulletin contains some earthquake preparedness tips that I picked up. Maybe I'm going overboard, but hey, better safe than sorry!

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

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Dick Steinkamp
04-19-2008, 08:58 AM
Here's an interesting article on midwest fault zones. Looks like the jury is still out...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080419/ap_on_re_us/midwest_earthquake_39



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jnewkirk77
04-19-2008, 09:34 AM
One thing they all do seem to agree on is that there are a lot of secrets this region of the earth still holds. I find it all quite fascinating, if a bit scary at times. Most of Owensboro south of the original part of town is built upon fill, including my house. That really didn't used to bother me, but after doing a little reading, I'm not so sure I feel as comfortable with that.


Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

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stidman123
04-19-2008, 09:50 AM
jacob, it seems like you got lots more water south of town. has the new developments stores and such down fredrica street caused problems in the drainage? dan

jnewkirk77
04-19-2008, 10:15 AM
YES! Drainage in Owensboro is poor at best anyway, but all of the development has only heightened the problem. Everything south of Towne Square Mall is built up to the MLK Loop, which has forced floodwater to reach places it didn't used to. That's why the city built the Loop where it is, because that is as far south as they will now allow development. Of course, there's not much interest in developing out there since the Highway 54 corridor on the east side started booming. It's the new "place to be." To fix the problem they created in building out that far, they've had to come up with new drainage plans, which may or may not work. We'll just have to wait and see. I know they are at least trying to do something ... better late than never, I guess.

It doesn't flood out 54, and the gently rolling terrain makes development look nicer than it does on the flat land along Frederica. People complain that they took good farmland for all the new development out that way, but the truth is that it hadn't been in production for years, because the farmers who worked that ground quit or died years ago, and their families see nothing but $$$ signs. You wouldn't believe the prices they get for that land out there. Maybe you would. I don't know.

The state, city and county are already working on the next big project, the 60 By-Pass extension, which will take off east from just north of the 54 exit and meet up with present 60 & 231 near Hawesway Truck Stop, if you're familiar with that area. The new hospital, set to open in 2011, will be located just off of the new highway, and it'll eliminate the massive tie-ups on 60 East that happen during the morning and afternoon rush hours, because they'll be building it with on-and-off ramps instead of intersections. Combine that with the "new" (OK, six-year-old) 231 bridge near Rockport and four-lane all the way north to I-64, and you can see they're really working up a whole new corridor for development and industry.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

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stidman123
04-19-2008, 10:42 AM
jacob, i think i replied on the wrong topic while ago i'm not to computer smart. we have a lot of water trouble over here. new development in the swamps and it has to go somewhere.i drive for walts driveaway out of evansville. lots of changes over your way.seems a shame the new I69 is going thru ind in the wrong place. needs to hook on at mitchell ind and come thru jasper to the new bridge at rockport instead of evansville.lots of things up there and no roads to handle it.dan

jnewkirk77
04-19-2008, 11:17 AM
Amen to that, Dan. Before I became disabled, I was with a group that made a push to bring I-69 through Bedford, over to Loogootee and down 231 that way. We looked at a lot of possibilities, including Mitchell-Paoli-French Lick-Patoka Lake, but there were too many engineering/environmental headaches that way. A lot of sinkholes, caves and so forth that would not have been as much of an issue with the Bedford-Loogootee-Jasper route. Unfortunately, Evansville interests are far too powerful for their own good, so you see where it's going.

With Kentucky's budget problems, we're very lucky to still have the by-pass extension on the books, let alone anything else. The only way they'll get an I-69 bridge from Henderson to Evansville is to toll it. Period. There's no money to do it any other way, unfortunately. I figure that Kentucky is doing the present repairs on the old twin bridges because the interstate will have to be routed down the Henderson Strip for a few years. That wouldn't be unheard of, because I barely remember "TEMPORARY I-64" signs on narrow, winding SR 62 in Perry and Crawford counties before 64 was finished.

Honestly, I look for Kentucky to try to get the feds to "grandfather" the parkways in, even though they don't technically meet interstate standards. But neither did the Kansas Turnpike, the Pennsylvania Turnpike, and the oldest of Oklahoma's turnpikes. They're all interstates now, though, so it's not unheard of.

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stidman123
04-19-2008, 11:27 AM
that's like the rt13 4lane project that's been going on for 40 years in southern ill between marion il and mt vern ind. soon as springfield get some momey for it chicago winds up with the cash. there used to be a junkyard either down 231 or 431 south of owensboro is he stillthere? i need some 42 champ parts he did have a couple of them. dan

BobPalma
04-19-2008, 12:16 PM
:) Curious addendum to this earthquake: The Indianapolis Water Company reported an unusually-low drop in system water pressure after the earthquake. It wasn't due to a mechanical failure; it was due to everyone getting out of bed all at the same time and then either using the toilet or getting a glass of water at 5:30 AM, when the utility isn't programmed for that much of a draw-down![:0] :DBP

jnewkirk77
04-19-2008, 12:21 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Curious addendum to this earthquake: The Indianapolis Water Company reported an unusually-low drop in system water pressure after the earthquake. It wasn't due to a mechanical failure; it was due to everyone getting out of bed all at the same time and then either using the toilet or getting a glass of water at 5:30 AM, when the utility isn't programmed for that much of a draw-down![:0] :DBP


HA! That's a good one! I'm sure we'll hear several interesting stories that come from this. ;)

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

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jnewkirk77
04-19-2008, 12:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by stidman123

that's like the rt13 4lane project that's been going on for 40 years in southern ill between marion il and mt vern ind. soon as springfield get some momey for it chicago winds up with the cash. there used to be a junkyard either down 231 or 431 south of owensboro is he stillthere? i need some 42 champ parts he did have a couple of them. dan


Oh, they'll eventually get 13 done, Dan. Chicago can't siphon off money forever, even though they are the biggest city in Illinois. Someone in Springfield needs to step up to the plate and tell them to take care of their own, be it through tolls or whatever. I'm just not sure anyone has the guts to take on Mayor Daley. If they do, I've not yet seen it.

I think the junkyard you're thinking of is out 431 in McLean County near Livermore. It used to be owned by a guy named Phillips, if memory serves. He sold out to Trunnell Metals, and I think they closed the place there. He had a couple early '50s Packards out there, too. I have a hubcap from one of them. The rest of the car it came from went through the crusher ... it needed too much to be restorable.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

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stidman123
04-19-2008, 01:25 PM
i think your right jacob, i used to work for scot lad/roundys foods. we had houchen stores down that way. probably where i rember it from. i saw a report a few years ago on our tax distribution in ill.out of every dollar we pay in this state 46% winds up in the 4 counties that make up the chicago area.the rest is spead out over the rest of the state with only about 8% ever getting back below I70. not a real good return for us.dan