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Lucky11wh
08-07-2006, 05:07 PM
I have a 63 champ which has been sitting in my in-laws' backyard for a number of years. I have a Chevy 454 which I would love to shoehorn into the truck. I would like to know first if this transformation is possible, and second, which transmission, drive shaft and rearend combination would best fit the application. Any other tips regarding mating non-Stude parts would be appreciated.

Roscomacaw
08-07-2006, 07:39 PM
With a torch, time and talent - anything's possible.;)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

PackardV8
08-07-2006, 09:18 PM
If the Champ was a V8 and has a Dana 44 rear axle, it will be fine for the conversion. For everyday driving, look for 3.31-3.54 gears. Tranny is your choice, but I prefer the beefed 700R4. The 454 will fit fine. Look for a 65-66 Stude car with the V8 and the mounts should be close to what you need to bolt in the fat boy.

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Alan
08-07-2006, 11:37 PM
The steering box is going to be the biggest problem you will have to move the engine over to the right a little and it will still be a tight fit. The Champ wasn't known for it's nimble steering and with a big block it will be a bi**h. They need better cooling ect. If you want some grunt best to go with a 383 or 350. If it is a stick now stay that way unless you realy don't like to shift for yourself. And a late 60's to mid 70's Ford truck 9" drops right in on the springs and if you get the right pinion yoke you won't even have to cut the driveshaft.

Roscomacaw
08-08-2006, 10:45 AM
While I've never tried fitting a BrandX engine into a Champ, I'd question the worth of trying to employ 65-66 motor mounts in a Champ. Said motor mounts are made to adapt a GM engine to a Stude CAR frame. The Champ uses a totally different frame from the cars.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Lucky11wh
08-08-2006, 12:39 PM
Thanks for the tips! She has a straight 6 so the rear-end will have to go.

Roscomacaw
08-08-2006, 02:09 PM
NOT SO FAST! All 1/2ton Champ trucks had type 44s - 6 or 8. With a 6cyl.car, the rear could be a type 23 or type 27 or even a type 44 for extreme service vehicles such as cop cars or taxis. But all trucks got the beefy 44. So it may come down to a matter of ratio more than grit. MOST trucks would have a 4.10, 4.27 or in the case of alot of 6s, a 4.55. With O/D this works out pretty good.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Lucky11wh
08-08-2006, 02:41 PM
I guess my next question is how can I tell which rearend I have?

Roscomacaw
08-08-2006, 02:48 PM
The 44 designation is cast into the webbing on one side of the main case - where the axle tube sticks out. Clear away the grease!

The ratio should be on a stamped metal tag under one of the rear cover bolts. If it's not there, you can pull the cover completely and find the ratio on the outer edge of the ring gear.
Also, this might be a TT (limited slip) rear axle. If you pull the fill hole plug and there's a ribbed surface just a half inch in, it's a TT. If not, it's not limited slip.:D

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS