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53k
07-17-2006, 07:21 PM
Ain't they purdy?
http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Daytona%20heads/Copy%20of%20IM005133.JPG
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As I posted to the Studebaker Newsgroup some time back, the '64 Daytona convertible I bought a couple months ago wasn't quite as nice as it was described (can't complain too much- no rust EVER). It sounded like it had a weak cylinder when I was cranking it so I checked the compression. 1, 2 4, 6, 7 and 8- right on spec. 3 and 5, 40 psi on first turn, cranked up to about 90 psi. I decided it was a blown head gasket between 3 and 5 so I pulled the left head. Wrong- two bad exhaust valves. So, I decided to go ahead and have all the valves ground, Ron Butts put me on to a local craftsman. He cooked the heads, checked them for true, found one warped and shaved it true then shaved the other an equal amount to keep them the same. He ground the seats and valves and replaced the two bad valves. Total charge $222.60 (including state tax). Tomorrow I paint them and start putting iot back together for the Atlantic Zone Meet this weekend.

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

Dick Steinkamp
07-17-2006, 08:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by 53k

Ain't they purdy?


I'll betcha that Daytona will run as good as it looks by tomorrow night. Give us a report, Paul.



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Roscomacaw
07-17-2006, 09:07 PM
Cool deal, Paul![:p] Thanks for sharing.:)

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53k
07-17-2006, 09:20 PM
Now my dilemma is gaskets and installation. I have both steel (thin) and composition. Who prefers which and why? I have always put steel on dry, but some people say you have to copper coat them. Any thoughts?

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

studegary
07-17-2006, 09:54 PM
Paul - Find out how much he took off the heads. You may want to go with the composition gaskets.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY
1954 Commander Starliner (restomod)
1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

Alan
07-18-2006, 11:37 AM
I would go with the steel shim. The copper coat is just to keep it from leaking water and with the sandwich gaskets you have to re torque them or you will have problems. You should do the same with the shim type but if you don't it won't be as critical. Not only that but you get a little extra compression.

Guido
07-18-2006, 02:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by 53k
Tomorrow I paint them and start putting iot back together for the Atlantic Zone Meet this weekend.

Paul,

Get that baby back together for the show this weekend. Frank, Gerald and I are coming up to see it. Just make sure you don't let Darryl Carr get too close.......

Gary

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53k
07-18-2006, 07:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido


quote:Originally posted by 53k
Tomorrow I paint them and start putting iot back together for the Atlantic Zone Meet this weekend.

Paul,

Get that baby back together for the show this weekend. Frank, Gerald and I are coming up to see it. Just make sure you don't let Darryl Carr get too close.......

Gary
I painted the heads and did some detailing today then had to run some errands. The upper 90s in the barn kind of slowed me down too. I was going to work on it again tonoight, but we had a bit of a thunderstorm come through. I had to scramble to get things put away and covered (I had the freshly painted stuff drying outside). Hopefully, tomorrow...

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

imported_n/a
07-18-2006, 11:01 PM
I cast my vote for the composition "sandwich" gasket in your case. This will compensate for possible imperfections on your block deck, and eliminate the need to retorque. This saves a time, an important factor because of the upcoming meet you plan to attend. Since you've had the heads resurfaced, (which removes some material), the thicker gasket will reduce any port-to- port and bolt hole misalignment you might have on the intake side. Plus, you probably don't want to increase the Compession Ratio too much(as a result of milling the heads and using thin gaskets), and have to retard the timing and (or)run higher octane gas, now.

53k
07-19-2006, 09:38 PM
Thanks for the advice and opinions on my heads. Thin gasket and composition gasket advocates make good arguments. I decided to go ahead and use the steel gaskets (I Copper Coated them good).
Today I did a little more detailing then started putting the Daytona back together. I worked until 6:30 this evening and was almost done, but ran out of energy (in the afternoon I was working in the full sun in 95-degree weather). The sun shines in my open barn doors in the pm and shutting them cuts out too much light (and air). All that remains to be done is install and hook up the battery and re-fill the coolant (I hope). I didn't replace the battery because I painted the inner fender where it rests. It had suffered some battery acid damage.
Only had a couple set backs. First, I mis-read (misunderstood) what the shop manual was saying about torquing the rocker arm support screws. So, I snapped one off, However, when I removed the rocker arm assembly I found that it broke off about 1/4 inch ABOVE the surface of the block and it came out easily. The other was when I bolted the throttle bellcrank back to the engine and torqued the headbolts, I found that the rod from the pedal to the bellcrank had pulled through the floor and was jammed against the inner fender. Rather than unbolt the bellcrank I jacked up the car (with my new Harbor Freight long frame jack) and disconnected it from below and put it where it belonged. I also ended up with an extra bolt, a small cap screw, that I can't figure out.
Here's how it looked at closing time.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20IM005172.JPG

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

Guido
07-19-2006, 10:39 PM
Paul,

Looking good. Can't wait to see it on Saturday. By the way, Lee Harrison in the Central Virginia Chapter bought a '64 convertible about 3 months ago. That makes three in the area including Sam Miller's car that Leonard Shepherd has.

Gary

Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

1946 M-16 fire truck
1948 M-16 grain truck
1949 2R16A grain truck
1949 2R17A fire truck
1955 E-38 grain truck
1957 3E-40 flatbed
1961 6E-28 grain truck
1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck
1962 7E-7 Champ pickup
1962 GT Hawk 4 speed
1964 Avanti R2 4 speed
1964 Cruiser
And various other "treasures"
Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond & Louisa, Va.

Dick Steinkamp
07-19-2006, 10:48 PM
Good work, Paul!

Another nice one on eBay right now...

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JDP
07-20-2006, 12:59 AM
Small cap screw ? There are four at the rear of the block over the water block off plates.


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53k
07-20-2006, 07:42 AM
quote:Originally posted by Guido

Paul,

Looking good. Can't wait to see it on Saturday. By the way, Lee Harrison in the Central Virginia Chapter bought a '64 convertible about 3 months ago. That makes three in the area including Sam Miller's car that Leonard Shepherd has.

Gary

Frank Phillipi (Chief Judge) told me there are four '64 Daytona convertibles registered for the show.

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

53k
07-20-2006, 07:44 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Small cap screw ? There are four at the rear of the block over the water block off plates.
I guess I'll find out when I pour in the anti-freeze:). Actually, that's what it looked like to me too, but they are in place- had them bolted on when I painted the heads.

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

Dick Steinkamp
07-20-2006, 10:44 AM
quote:Originally posted by 53k

I guess I'll find out when I pour in the anti-freeze:).


I always fill them with just water first. (I know my own mechanical skills [:0])

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53k
07-20-2006, 01:13 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by 53k

I guess I'll find out when I pour in the anti-freeze:).


I always fill them with just water first. (I know my own mechanical skills [:0])

Well, I went ahead and filled it with antifreeze and no puddles developed:).
This am I went down and installed and hooked up the battery, filled the radiator and hooked up the coil (forgot that yesterday). Got it and turned the key. After it pumped gas in to the carb it started, but had a miss. I noticed it sounded weak on one cylinder when I was cranking it. So, I pulled the valve covers, lined up #1 per Alex's easy two-step adjustment procedure and started checking- all ok. Went to step 2- when I got to #2 I found the intake valve WAY tight. Apparently when I went through them yesterday I must have either confused intake with exhaust or just plain missed it. Set it at .026 cold, reinstalled everything, turned the key and it ran smooooth! Here it is about 30 minutes ago.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG

BTW, do you think I use my Shop Manual?
http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/59-64%20Shop%20Manual.JPG

I guess I bought it in '69 or so.

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

Roscomacaw
07-20-2006, 01:17 PM
Looks GREAT, Paul! Wish I could go for a ride in it![:p]

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Dick Steinkamp
07-20-2006, 01:29 PM
Congrats, Paul! [8D]

Don't you just love it when a plan comes together [^]


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53k
07-20-2006, 01:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Looks GREAT, Paul! Wish I could go for a ride in it![:p]

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You might get your chance. If I air condition it I may take it on the Lincoln Highway trip next year. I wanted to take the Wagonaire, but it has so many things to be done yet.

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Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

53k
07-20-2006, 08:58 PM
Took the fresh heads for a short spin the evening. It's running really strong, especially for a 289 two-barrel, single exhaust and heavy car to boot. 1st gear start at a little over half throttle brought a chirp when I shifted to 2 (Powershift) :). I have one valve pretty loose, but I'll run it a while then re-torque the heads and reset the valves.
I also changed the oil (Shell Rotella 15-40) and filter this afternoon. Hot, at 40 mph in high it was carrying 60 psi.

[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

stude53
07-22-2006, 10:55 AM
That is one sharp looking convert!

Congratulations on bringing back a real stunner.