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Commander51
06-10-2006, 11:53 AM
I've got a DG 200 in my '51 Commander. Never totally quiet in park or neutral, recently it has taken to "moaning like a ghost' when in those positions. AS a GUESS, it sounds like a pump pushing against pressure downstream...Drive gears/reverse are silent, and if anything shift more crisply than before the moaning started. The tranny is quiet for a few seconds on startup, then sounds off and varies directly with engine rpm. This all began when I used Low as an engine brake, engaged when the car was travelling at 15 mph.

Any thoughts, tips or suggestions?? Can I drive the thing as is??
Thanks!




51 Commander State Sedan

Kittanning, PA

studegary
06-10-2006, 03:45 PM
I don't know if it was cause and effect, but I would not use a DG transmission for braking, unless it was an emergency. Brakes are a LOT cheaper than good DG transmissions.

Gary L.
1954 Commander Starliner (restomod)
1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

Roscomacaw
06-10-2006, 04:15 PM
Gary, this from the Studebaker factory DG service manual: "Engine braking for descending long, steep grades can be effected by reducing car speed to 40MPH or less and with your foot off the gas pedal, shifting to the Low Range."

Commander51, the book says of noises while in P or N:

Low fluid
Fluid intake screen clogged
Damaged pump fingers
Damaged or worn front pump parts
Air leaks in front pump passages in the case or the front pump and collector ring assy.
Improper valve action
Broken connector fins
Loose direct drive backing plate or drive fingers in the convertor.

Now, it doesn't go into what the sounds might BE like, only what might CAUSE sounds. Wish I could help you more but I'm not an auto-tranny whiz kid.[V]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

studegary
06-10-2006, 05:01 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Gary, this from the Studebaker factory DG service manual: "Engine braking for descending long, steep grades can be effected by reducing car speed to 40MPH or less and with your foot off the gas pedal, shifting to the Low Range."



Bob/MrBiggs - I agree with your statement as far as design operation of the DG goes and I used to downshift them myself years ago. I just feel that it is prudent to do all possible to extend the life of any DG that is now operating.
Has the fluid level been properly checked?

Gary L.
1954 Commander Starliner (restomod)
1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

Commander51
06-10-2006, 06:54 PM
The fluid level was low about 1/2 pint; not very much considering the size of the reservoir. I use Low sparingly, but you should see some of the cliffs I negotiate here in western Pennsylvania. There is one grade I travel occasionally which requires Low... the brakes fade to the point of useless before the bottom-- which is the Allegheny River!

Biggs' list sounds like just about everything that CAN go wrong with an automatic tranny! But since this puppy was rebuilt by the former owner, I'm gonna put the worn/damaged stuff to the bottom of the list and start with the intake screen and the 'valve action'....

Wish me luck-- and STudebob, where did you find that in the manual-- I have a manual and could only find noise references for 'geared' positions...?

51 Commander State Sedan

Kittanning, PA

Roscomacaw
06-10-2006, 07:43 PM
I have two DG manuals, both of which I bought of ebay at different times. Both appear to be originals too.

The one I read from was (I think) put out about '54 or so. I say that because it has a supplemental section in the rear that addresses the changes made to the '54 DG units that started out in 1st gear.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

buddymander
06-12-2006, 01:26 AM
I usta have a tranny business. Many times I've seen transes that read a half quart low and wouldn't even engage. I had one that showed a half quart low and it took two gallons to bring it up to teh full mark. If your stick is a lil bit long or your tube a lil bit short, you could be operating low for years and not know it. Full means full.

Roscomacaw
06-12-2006, 07:12 PM
These older Stude automatics all have the dipstick right in the case. Not much room for error as to fluid level.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS