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Scott
03-19-2007, 10:54 AM
Now that I have an actual Studebaker blueprint, this shows what can be done. I took as many of the measurements as I could make sense of and created a 3 dimensional file (it looks like a real solid). This is a 2d rendering of the part in Solidworks. A few details are not in the drawing - like a few fillets, but I have a real part to guide me. It's a bit of work, but it's gratifying to see what the designer actually intended. Some feature are less clear in the production parts and all but obliterated in the reproduction parts. This file is not perfect, but this is a first try at it. Over time I'll refine the model to make it even more accurate.:)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/169/426931808_8fe3e0fc60.jpg?v=0

Roscomacaw
03-19-2007, 10:59 AM
KEWL!

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
03-19-2007, 10:59 AM
KEWL!

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

showbizkid
03-19-2007, 12:04 PM
That is very nice work, Scott.


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showbizkid
03-19-2007, 12:04 PM
That is very nice work, Scott.


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'63 F2/Lark Standard
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N8N
03-19-2007, 12:21 PM
Now what would be awesome is to feed that into one of those stereolithography prototyping things and then you'd have a perfectly crisp part to pull a mold from for some better repros :)

Nice work, anyway... wish I still had toys like that to play with, some days.

nate

(easy to type, expensive to do...)

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N8N
03-19-2007, 12:21 PM
Now what would be awesome is to feed that into one of those stereolithography prototyping things and then you'd have a perfectly crisp part to pull a mold from for some better repros :)

Nice work, anyway... wish I still had toys like that to play with, some days.

nate

(easy to type, expensive to do...)

--
55 Commander Starlight
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Scott
03-19-2007, 12:44 PM
Thanks!

Actually, the print probably has enough information I could get a price on reproducing it in the correct material and plating. In practice I would probably need to create the most accurate part file from the drawing first, since the milling machines are cad driven these days. I don't know if anyone makes dies (this is a sheet metal part) off of drawings anymore.

I wish I had a blueprint for the GT hawk front spears, too.

Scott
03-19-2007, 12:44 PM
Thanks!

Actually, the print probably has enough information I could get a price on reproducing it in the correct material and plating. In practice I would probably need to create the most accurate part file from the drawing first, since the milling machines are cad driven these days. I don't know if anyone makes dies (this is a sheet metal part) off of drawings anymore.

I wish I had a blueprint for the GT hawk front spears, too.

Dick Steinkamp
03-19-2007, 12:51 PM
Nice, Scott!

I don't want to dis our great vendors, but the Hawk repoped emblems that are being sold are junk. The casting is rough, the finish is rougher and uneven. The pins don't begin to fit the stock holes. I really don't see how our vendors can sell them without first warning the customers that they most likely won't be happy with them.

I bought some for my '63, but I will be returning them and refinishing my stock ones at a greater cost than the repoped ones.

Scott, if you can output the Soldworks to a CNC machine to make a mold that will duplicate the original in a QUALITY manner at a price that is even somewhat higher than the repops being sold now, you would be a hero and own the market. My guess is that other repoped emplems may share the poor quality of the Hawk emblems.







http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-19-2007, 12:51 PM
Nice, Scott!

I don't want to dis our great vendors, but the Hawk repoped emblems that are being sold are junk. The casting is rough, the finish is rougher and uneven. The pins don't begin to fit the stock holes. I really don't see how our vendors can sell them without first warning the customers that they most likely won't be happy with them.

I bought some for my '63, but I will be returning them and refinishing my stock ones at a greater cost than the repoped ones.

Scott, if you can output the Soldworks to a CNC machine to make a mold that will duplicate the original in a QUALITY manner at a price that is even somewhat higher than the repops being sold now, you would be a hero and own the market. My guess is that other repoped emplems may share the poor quality of the Hawk emblems.







http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

2R5
03-19-2007, 12:56 PM
Lookin at that model ....wouldn't that make a nice plaque for an International meet trophy ? :D

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2R5
03-19-2007, 12:56 PM
Lookin at that model ....wouldn't that make a nice plaque for an International meet trophy ? :D

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/2R5/smallchamp.jpg HOME of THE FRIED GREEN TOMATO

1950 2R5
1960 Lark 2dr
1960 Champ
1964 Daytona HT

studee64
03-19-2007, 01:08 PM
Hi Scott

Here is a pic of a NOS badge I just got in York and it looks like you are right on the money
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k107/studee64/CopyofDSCF5979.jpg


http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k107/studee64/CopyofDSCF5974.jpg

Barry Leppan
Burlington, Ont. Canada
64 Daytona HT 5-spd
64 GT Hawk R-1/AC/Powershift

studee64
03-19-2007, 01:08 PM
Hi Scott

Here is a pic of a NOS badge I just got in York and it looks like you are right on the money
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k107/studee64/CopyofDSCF5979.jpg


http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k107/studee64/CopyofDSCF5974.jpg

Barry Leppan
Burlington, Ont. Canada
64 Daytona HT 5-spd
64 GT Hawk R-1/AC/Powershift

studee64
03-19-2007, 01:11 PM
Here is the rest of it...didn't get the second pic to work..

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k107/studee64/DSCF5974.jpg

Barry Leppan
Burlington, Ont. Canada
64 Daytona HT 5-spd
64 GT Hawk R-1/AC/Powershift

studee64
03-19-2007, 01:11 PM
Here is the rest of it...didn't get the second pic to work..

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k107/studee64/DSCF5974.jpg

Barry Leppan
Burlington, Ont. Canada
64 Daytona HT 5-spd
64 GT Hawk R-1/AC/Powershift

54-61-62
03-19-2007, 01:51 PM
Scott,

Sent ya a email. Sweet Work!

Kent

54-61-62
03-19-2007, 01:51 PM
Scott,

Sent ya a email. Sweet Work!

Kent

Scott
03-19-2007, 02:35 PM
I'm glad it meets approval. If I can get the file really finished, with pins and all I should be able to get a price on re-doing the part. The original was stamped brass, gold plated. It was never cast. I appreciate the heft of the repro hawks, but they just have too many fit and finish issues (besides the fact they are cast and not stamped) to please any perfectionist.

Scott
03-19-2007, 02:35 PM
I'm glad it meets approval. If I can get the file really finished, with pins and all I should be able to get a price on re-doing the part. The original was stamped brass, gold plated. It was never cast. I appreciate the heft of the repro hawks, but they just have too many fit and finish issues (besides the fact they are cast and not stamped) to please any perfectionist.

studebaker-R2-4-me
03-19-2007, 02:55 PM
I am with Dick on the Repro chevrons for 1964 Hawk. CHEAP utter crap!I bought 4 of them for my car. I just don't understand how the vendors will even put money out for this junk and then try to sell the stuff to us. If your going to reproduce this why not do it right? Does is cost more to put the pins in the right spot? Does it cost more to make the pins the same size? NO IT DOES NOT! The pins break off after you have them installed.I broke two of them this last weekend. I was pissed when I had to silicon one of them on.

Dick where did you get your originals fixed? I am sending the other two back also

BTW Scott that is fantastic!

1964 GT Hawk soon to be R2 Clone

studebaker-R2-4-me
03-19-2007, 02:55 PM
I am with Dick on the Repro chevrons for 1964 Hawk. CHEAP utter crap!I bought 4 of them for my car. I just don't understand how the vendors will even put money out for this junk and then try to sell the stuff to us. If your going to reproduce this why not do it right? Does is cost more to put the pins in the right spot? Does it cost more to make the pins the same size? NO IT DOES NOT! The pins break off after you have them installed.I broke two of them this last weekend. I was pissed when I had to silicon one of them on.

Dick where did you get your originals fixed? I am sending the other two back also

BTW Scott that is fantastic!

1964 GT Hawk soon to be R2 Clone

StudeRich
03-19-2007, 03:15 PM
WOW Barry, that is one AMAZING '64 GT -R1, [^] I think if you are taking it to SB we'll just leave our original R2 4 speed '63 GT at home! [:0]


quote:Originally posted by studee64

Here is the rest of it...didn't get the second pic to work.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-19-2007, 03:15 PM
WOW Barry, that is one AMAZING '64 GT -R1, [^] I think if you are taking it to SB we'll just leave our original R2 4 speed '63 GT at home! [:0]


quote:Originally posted by studee64

Here is the rest of it...didn't get the second pic to work.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Dick Steinkamp
03-19-2007, 03:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by studebaker-R2-4-me


Dick where did you get your originals fixed? I am sending the other two back also



There is a place here in Bellingham that gold plates...I think mostly emblems for new cars that dealers want to "bling" up a little. Cost is about 1.5 times that of a repoped emblem. I would guess there is a similar type of company in most cities. Bellingham is only 60,000 people...Seattle is 1.5 hours away and Vancouver BC is 1 hour away.

I'll post results.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-19-2007, 03:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by studebaker-R2-4-me


Dick where did you get your originals fixed? I am sending the other two back also



There is a place here in Bellingham that gold plates...I think mostly emblems for new cars that dealers want to "bling" up a little. Cost is about 1.5 times that of a repoped emblem. I would guess there is a similar type of company in most cities. Bellingham is only 60,000 people...Seattle is 1.5 hours away and Vancouver BC is 1 hour away.

I'll post results.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-19-2007, 03:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

WOW Barry, that is one AMAZING '64 GT -R1,


I'll second that [:p] !

Will it be done by South Bend?

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-19-2007, 03:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

WOW Barry, that is one AMAZING '64 GT -R1,


I'll second that [:p] !

Will it be done by South Bend?

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

studee64
03-19-2007, 05:41 PM
I don't think it will be finished in time..it is coming along just fine but still a fair amount to do...although the really big things are complete, including switching out the 4 speed for a powershift..the car is being built for my wife...so the automatic was part of the deal,...eh !

Thanks for the compliments..

Barry

Barry Leppan
Burlington, Ont. Canada
64 Daytona HT 5-spd
64 GT Hawk R-1/AC/Powershift

studee64
03-19-2007, 05:41 PM
I don't think it will be finished in time..it is coming along just fine but still a fair amount to do...although the really big things are complete, including switching out the 4 speed for a powershift..the car is being built for my wife...so the automatic was part of the deal,...eh !

Thanks for the compliments..

Barry

Barry Leppan
Burlington, Ont. Canada
64 Daytona HT 5-spd
64 GT Hawk R-1/AC/Powershift

bondobilly
03-19-2007, 06:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

Nice, Scott!

I don't want to dis our great vendors, but the Hawk repoped emblems that are being sold are junk. The casting is rough, the finish is rougher and uneven. The pins don't begin to fit the stock holes.


Sadly, this pin mis-location and oversized casting is due totally to the fact that the original molds/stamps are not available. If you use an original and make a mold from it, the second generation item is larger in all demensions.

I have a NOS "Golden" on my car, and a repro'd "Hawk". The "Hawk" won't fit into the holes in the trunk properly and does not have the slight curve.

It is really not the "vendors" fault, it is the process. What is worse is that when the reporoduction emblems and script were first done there was not a market that demanded the quality we want now.

As I said somewhere else, I was told that in my lifetime, I would never see a Studebaker go above $10,000.

BG

http://www.bondobilly.com/1sdc.jpg SAVE THE STUDEBAKER.....SAVE THE WORLD.

bondobilly
03-19-2007, 06:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

Nice, Scott!

I don't want to dis our great vendors, but the Hawk repoped emblems that are being sold are junk. The casting is rough, the finish is rougher and uneven. The pins don't begin to fit the stock holes.


Sadly, this pin mis-location and oversized casting is due totally to the fact that the original molds/stamps are not available. If you use an original and make a mold from it, the second generation item is larger in all demensions.

I have a NOS "Golden" on my car, and a repro'd "Hawk". The "Hawk" won't fit into the holes in the trunk properly and does not have the slight curve.

It is really not the "vendors" fault, it is the process. What is worse is that when the reporoduction emblems and script were first done there was not a market that demanded the quality we want now.

As I said somewhere else, I was told that in my lifetime, I would never see a Studebaker go above $10,000.

BG

http://www.bondobilly.com/1sdc.jpg SAVE THE STUDEBAKER.....SAVE THE WORLD.

jpvill4th
03-19-2007, 09:23 PM
I think there are drawings for many if not all of the emblems. With the processes that are available today and if there was a demand for enough pieces, CNC milling of each piece might not be too outrageous. Some of the original Hawk bird emblems were actually stamped and then plated. Where pins are not in the correct place have any of you considered using modern trim tape to attach the emblem to the car? Using trim tape would eliminate the possibility of damaging new paint and starting the rusting process all over again. Leave pins where they line up with the hole and cut and grind the others off if you use trim tape then you really only need one or two pins to get it properly positioned.

jpvill4th
03-19-2007, 09:23 PM
I think there are drawings for many if not all of the emblems. With the processes that are available today and if there was a demand for enough pieces, CNC milling of each piece might not be too outrageous. Some of the original Hawk bird emblems were actually stamped and then plated. Where pins are not in the correct place have any of you considered using modern trim tape to attach the emblem to the car? Using trim tape would eliminate the possibility of damaging new paint and starting the rusting process all over again. Leave pins where they line up with the hole and cut and grind the others off if you use trim tape then you really only need one or two pins to get it properly positioned.

studeclunker
03-19-2007, 09:45 PM
Scott, that is really beautiful work. It's amazing what computers can do nowdays. What I'd really like to see is hood ornaments like the prototype hawk that has been displayed here. It beat the pants off the 'S' emblem!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
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studeclunker
03-19-2007, 09:45 PM
Scott, that is really beautiful work. It's amazing what computers can do nowdays. What I'd really like to see is hood ornaments like the prototype hawk that has been displayed here. It beat the pants off the 'S' emblem!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the incredible Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
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Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Scott
03-20-2007, 09:16 AM
Studeclunker, I'm not sure I know which ornament on the prototype hawk you're thinking about. The only difference I know is the grille, which had the name Studebaker on it.

[?]

Scott
03-20-2007, 09:16 AM
Studeclunker, I'm not sure I know which ornament on the prototype hawk you're thinking about. The only difference I know is the grille, which had the name Studebaker on it.

[?]

Scott
03-20-2007, 10:31 AM
Here is a side view and a sort of 3/4 view. I'm wondering if anyone can confirm the bowing you can see from the side. The print calls for such a crown, but the emblem I have on my desk is more or less flat. If someone has an NOS one I'd be interested to know if it is slightly curved like this. I think it should be, so it can lay on the trunk lid properly. The print I have is for side emblems, but I would be very surprised if there was a different part number for trunk birds. The bowing would naturally get flattened out when the emblem is put on a flat surface I think.

I also made the hawk body slightly shallower relief (the print is hard to read in some areas) and I think it is more accurate, although I like the higher relief shown in my first photo on this topic.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/428221108_bccc34f5fb.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/428221120_a341d33a2b.jpg?v=0

Scott
03-20-2007, 10:31 AM
Here is a side view and a sort of 3/4 view. I'm wondering if anyone can confirm the bowing you can see from the side. The print calls for such a crown, but the emblem I have on my desk is more or less flat. If someone has an NOS one I'd be interested to know if it is slightly curved like this. I think it should be, so it can lay on the trunk lid properly. The print I have is for side emblems, but I would be very surprised if there was a different part number for trunk birds. The bowing would naturally get flattened out when the emblem is put on a flat surface I think.

I also made the hawk body slightly shallower relief (the print is hard to read in some areas) and I think it is more accurate, although I like the higher relief shown in my first photo on this topic.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/428221108_bccc34f5fb.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/428221120_a341d33a2b.jpg?v=0

geojerry
03-20-2007, 12:13 PM
Will that killer looking emblem fit on the grill of a 63 GT Hawk ?
If so, where do I find one to purchase ?

Thx,
Jerry

geojerry
03-20-2007, 12:13 PM
Will that killer looking emblem fit on the grill of a 63 GT Hawk ?
If so, where do I find one to purchase ?

Thx,
Jerry

studeclunker
03-20-2007, 12:45 PM
Unfortuneately, Jerry, only in cyberspace. This is a computer assisted display we see here. Beautiful as it is, it doesn't exist in reality yet.

Scott, for the model years 1964-6 the hood ornament was an S surrounded by a circle. There is a prototype hood ornament for the Hawk with something similar to your symbol supplanting the S. There is only one extant that one of our members here possesses(sorry, I'm bad with names). Anyway, I'd love to have one done with your bird in it. THAT would be a super cool aftermarket hood ornament. Though, to be honest, I'd rather have the European (export) setup with the spring, rather than the rigid American setup.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
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Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

studeclunker
03-20-2007, 12:45 PM
Unfortuneately, Jerry, only in cyberspace. This is a computer assisted display we see here. Beautiful as it is, it doesn't exist in reality yet.

Scott, for the model years 1964-6 the hood ornament was an S surrounded by a circle. There is a prototype hood ornament for the Hawk with something similar to your symbol supplanting the S. There is only one extant that one of our members here possesses(sorry, I'm bad with names). Anyway, I'd love to have one done with your bird in it. THAT would be a super cool aftermarket hood ornament. Though, to be honest, I'd rather have the European (export) setup with the spring, rather than the rigid American setup.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/december%2006/HPIM0234.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/56%20Parkview%20Wagon/56wagonleftfrontclipped-1.jpg
Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

StudeRich
03-20-2007, 12:57 PM
Jerry; the repros that do not have as defined, sharp lines as this are at Studebaker International and most of us Studebaker vendors at studebakervendors.com If you read the rest of this post you will "get it". These shown, only exist in a computer file.

They would not be large or flat enough for a '63 Grille, you might try the round flat emblem with the Hawk in it that goes on '60-'61 Hawks if you want to modify your car, and do not like the original red, white & blue chevron that belongs there. Or try searching ebay for a rare '64 plaque with the bird as shown on Studee64 -Barry's car.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-20-2007, 12:57 PM
Jerry; the repros that do not have as defined, sharp lines as this are at Studebaker International and most of us Studebaker vendors at studebakervendors.com If you read the rest of this post you will "get it". These shown, only exist in a computer file.

They would not be large or flat enough for a '63 Grille, you might try the round flat emblem with the Hawk in it that goes on '60-'61 Hawks if you want to modify your car, and do not like the original red, white & blue chevron that belongs there. Or try searching ebay for a rare '64 plaque with the bird as shown on Studee64 -Barry's car.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-20-2007, 01:39 PM
Scott, very nice work you have done! Are you sure you have blueprint 1320941V ? I think you have 1326748V '58L-K9 Packard Hawk, it goes on a very curved '53-'55 Type Decklid! The 1320941V is called out for front fenders on '57-'58K7 Golden Hawk, '62-'63 GT Hawk roof, and '62 GT Hawk Decklid. You could also try 1360162W '64 GT hawk Chrome for Roof. All are same design. Hope this helps, Rich.


quote:Originally posted by Scott

The print I have is for side emblems, but I would be very surprised if there was a different part number for trunk birds. The bowing would naturally get flattened out when the emblem is put on a flat surface I think.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-20-2007, 01:39 PM
Scott, very nice work you have done! Are you sure you have blueprint 1320941V ? I think you have 1326748V '58L-K9 Packard Hawk, it goes on a very curved '53-'55 Type Decklid! The 1320941V is called out for front fenders on '57-'58K7 Golden Hawk, '62-'63 GT Hawk roof, and '62 GT Hawk Decklid. You could also try 1360162W '64 GT hawk Chrome for Roof. All are same design. Hope this helps, Rich.


quote:Originally posted by Scott

The print I have is for side emblems, but I would be very surprised if there was a different part number for trunk birds. The bowing would naturally get flattened out when the emblem is put on a flat surface I think.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Scott
03-20-2007, 01:57 PM
I have the print for 1320941, but the print also has the number 1360162. I'm pretty sure it was the same for many years because the there are revision notes up to April 1963. Just looking at the notes I see that it was revised from being a zinc cast part to a stamped part, but that was in 1956. Maybe the very earliest production parts really were cast. That would have only been on 1956 hawks, if ever, though.

Scott
03-20-2007, 01:57 PM
I have the print for 1320941, but the print also has the number 1360162. I'm pretty sure it was the same for many years because the there are revision notes up to April 1963. Just looking at the notes I see that it was revised from being a zinc cast part to a stamped part, but that was in 1956. Maybe the very earliest production parts really were cast. That would have only been on 1956 hawks, if ever, though.

StudeRich
03-20-2007, 02:15 PM
NOPE, that MIGHT have gone into production for early 1957 cars. As you can see from my application list, that is the TOTAL usage of the Hawk Bird...no 1956 usage. They would have been DESIGNED in 1956.

Without seeing the "drawing block" in the lower right corner it's hard to tell, but I think I am getting an understanding of how the Stude. engineers identified, (or failed to) their drawings VS the Stude. part number system. They didn't change the dwg. number when they modified it! They just made notes as to the changes, which actually did require a "part number change" but not necessarly a "Dwg" number change. [:0]

In the Aircraft Industry that I am accustomed to, that would be a terrible mistake, and would NEVER be allowed to happen! [xx(]


quote:Originally posted by Scott

Maybe the very earliest production parts really were cast. That would have only been on 1956 hawks, if ever, though.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-20-2007, 02:15 PM
NOPE, that MIGHT have gone into production for early 1957 cars. As you can see from my application list, that is the TOTAL usage of the Hawk Bird...no 1956 usage. They would have been DESIGNED in 1956.

Without seeing the "drawing block" in the lower right corner it's hard to tell, but I think I am getting an understanding of how the Stude. engineers identified, (or failed to) their drawings VS the Stude. part number system. They didn't change the dwg. number when they modified it! They just made notes as to the changes, which actually did require a "part number change" but not necessarly a "Dwg" number change. [:0]

In the Aircraft Industry that I am accustomed to, that would be a terrible mistake, and would NEVER be allowed to happen! [xx(]


quote:Originally posted by Scott

Maybe the very earliest production parts really were cast. That would have only been on 1956 hawks, if ever, though.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Scott
03-20-2007, 03:18 PM
You're right about the 1957 production use. The first date on the drawing is 6-30-56, so it would not have been for the 1956 cars.
I bet 1360162 is the drawing number only.

Scott
03-20-2007, 03:18 PM
You're right about the 1957 production use. The first date on the drawing is 6-30-56, so it would not have been for the 1956 cars.
I bet 1360162 is the drawing number only.

bondobilly
03-20-2007, 04:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

I have the print for 1320941, but the print also has the number 1360162. I'm pretty sure it was the same for many years because the there are revision notes up to April 1963. Just looking at the notes I see that it was revised from being a zinc cast part to a stamped part, but that was in 1956. Maybe the very earliest production parts really were cast. That would have only been on 1956 hawks, if ever, though.

On the 56J, early cars came without the word Studebaker on the front fenders, later on they added Studebaker, then late in the production year they added V-8, I have also seen 56J's with Hawks on them, but no documentation.

BG

http://www.bondobilly.com/1sdc.jpg SAVE THE STUDEBAKER.....SAVE THE WORLD.

bondobilly
03-20-2007, 04:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

I have the print for 1320941, but the print also has the number 1360162. I'm pretty sure it was the same for many years because the there are revision notes up to April 1963. Just looking at the notes I see that it was revised from being a zinc cast part to a stamped part, but that was in 1956. Maybe the very earliest production parts really were cast. That would have only been on 1956 hawks, if ever, though.

On the 56J, early cars came without the word Studebaker on the front fenders, later on they added Studebaker, then late in the production year they added V-8, I have also seen 56J's with Hawks on them, but no documentation.

BG

http://www.bondobilly.com/1sdc.jpg SAVE THE STUDEBAKER.....SAVE THE WORLD.

StudeRich
03-20-2007, 04:31 PM
Well Scott; the FIRST USAGE of the design was 1957 and the EARLIEST numeric part number is 1320941V ("V" = Gold Plated), therefore the DWG. SHOULD be numbered as the same. As I said, the 1360162W (W=Chrome), SHOULD be noted as the same with chrome plate and the dwg. of the curved Bird should be noted as a 1326748V 1958 Packard Hawk bird. That would be IF you could understand their hen scratch! [^]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-20-2007, 04:31 PM
Well Scott; the FIRST USAGE of the design was 1957 and the EARLIEST numeric part number is 1320941V ("V" = Gold Plated), therefore the DWG. SHOULD be numbered as the same. As I said, the 1360162W (W=Chrome), SHOULD be noted as the same with chrome plate and the dwg. of the curved Bird should be noted as a 1326748V 1958 Packard Hawk bird. That would be IF you could understand their hen scratch! [^]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

bondobilly
03-20-2007, 04:46 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Well the FIRST USAGE of the design was 1957 and the EARLIEST numeric part number is 1320941V ("V" = Gold Plated), I understand that. I am just saying that there are 56 Hawks running around with them on.

bondobilly
03-20-2007, 04:46 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Well the FIRST USAGE of the design was 1957 and the EARLIEST numeric part number is 1320941V ("V" = Gold Plated), I understand that. I am just saying that there are 56 Hawks running around with them on.

StudeRich
03-20-2007, 05:02 PM
Bill; I don't want to carry this off-topic V-8 thing any farther than this, but I do remember that the early Power Hawks dad sold, we owned one, did not have the "Studebaker" or V-8, same with Sky Hawks. Later prod. had "Studebaker" & V-8 like the '57B's.

The parts book is not much help on 56J since it does not give a start/end serial #, but does show the V-8 for 56J. The parts book has been proven to sometimes, not be the real production configuration before! It actually shows (3) different Chrome, non-flagged V-8's: one for '56 B&H Sedans, one for '56B & H C&K, & 56J, and one for '57B Comm. all models (and it is the old '54 part #)!!! Go figure! [:0][:0]

The 56J's with the gold bird on the other hand, are all Dealer/Owner installed.


quote:Originally posted by bondobilly

On the 56J, early cars came without the word Studebaker on the front fenders, later on they added Studebaker, then late in the production year they added V-8, I have also seen 56J's with Hawks on them, but no documentation.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-20-2007, 05:02 PM
Bill; I don't want to carry this off-topic V-8 thing any farther than this, but I do remember that the early Power Hawks dad sold, we owned one, did not have the "Studebaker" or V-8, same with Sky Hawks. Later prod. had "Studebaker" & V-8 like the '57B's.

The parts book is not much help on 56J since it does not give a start/end serial #, but does show the V-8 for 56J. The parts book has been proven to sometimes, not be the real production configuration before! It actually shows (3) different Chrome, non-flagged V-8's: one for '56 B&H Sedans, one for '56B & H C&K, & 56J, and one for '57B Comm. all models (and it is the old '54 part #)!!! Go figure! [:0][:0]

The 56J's with the gold bird on the other hand, are all Dealer/Owner installed.


quote:Originally posted by bondobilly

On the 56J, early cars came without the word Studebaker on the front fenders, later on they added Studebaker, then late in the production year they added V-8, I have also seen 56J's with Hawks on them, but no documentation.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Karl
03-21-2007, 01:13 AM
Awesome, Nice work..[8D]

63 Twin Supercharged Avanti
64 Avanti R3w/NOS
88LSC Avanti 350 Supercharged w/NOS

Karl
03-21-2007, 01:13 AM
Awesome, Nice work..[8D]

63 Twin Supercharged Avanti
64 Avanti R3w/NOS
88LSC Avanti 350 Supercharged w/NOS

Scott
03-21-2007, 12:38 PM
Here is a chrome version for fun. I figured out the number 1360162 refers to the chrome version. This drawing is for the emblem in gold or chrome.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/147/429525987_dce3a75bb9.jpg?v=0

Scott
03-21-2007, 12:38 PM
Here is a chrome version for fun. I figured out the number 1360162 refers to the chrome version. This drawing is for the emblem in gold or chrome.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/147/429525987_dce3a75bb9.jpg?v=0