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Mr.Biggs
04-04-2006, 04:04 PM
Those who've known me for some time have branded me "purist". Thankfully, most of them did so with tongue firmly planted in cheek.[}:)]
It's true that I advocate the retention of Studebaker power - whenever and wherever possible. I contend that the engines are as much a part of the Studebaker legacy as the styling we're all gaga over.
That said, I DO recognize that transplants take place even tho I may not go along with the rationalization used to dive into such a project. I've been following the cross-gendering of a Stude not far from me and since I appreciate the surgeon's handiwork, I thought you might enjoy seeing some of it. After all, how many times (on this forum alone) have we had some fledgling Stude owner pop in and ask: "How to I put a (fill-in-the-blank) motor in my Studebaker???"

This fella, Keith, came to me about 3 years ago in seeking an answer to how he'd convert the wipers in his 55 coupe, since the car would be running 12 volts when he was done with his cusstomizing.
Being fresh-faced to the world of Studebakers, he was delighted to find that there were 12 volt wiper motors that would "bolt in" where the old 6-volter was! Fact is, I swapped him straight across for the 6 volt unit he'd brought along to show me.
This set in motion a truckload of new or rebuilt parts that Keith just gave me as he stripped and refitted his Commander with the underpinnings of the IROC Camaro he'd acquired as a donor vehicle.
I was overjoyed at the stuff I recieved as a result. And I felt compelled to give Keith whatever few small pieces he's needed along the way to his goal of having a cool Stude. Fact is, he called me this past Sunday to say that he'd decided he didn't need any more of the crates of extra parts he'd gotten when he adopted this 55 out of a weedy field, not far from where he lives.

ANYWAY............. I thought some of you might enjoy seeing how his project is shaping up. This car was being accurately restored by some guy when he fell ill and sold it to some brothers that had different ideas about how to power it. When Keith found it, it's firewall had been CRUDELY hacked away as well as some of the floorboards and it had an old, irrepairable hemi engine just dumped into the engine bay. I can tell you that Keith's brought this thing a LONG way since he first showed it to me. I have no doubt he'll see it thru to one cool cruiser.;)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Dick Steinkamp
04-04-2006, 04:22 PM
Nice job. That will be one sweet ride! [8D]

I like the BFH on the floor of the car. I can relate to that [^]



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Roscomacaw
04-04-2006, 04:23 PM
I asked Keith if that was gonna be the shifter handle.[:0][}:)]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

sbca96
04-04-2006, 08:32 PM
IROC wheels? I am confused. GM bolt pattern. So confused.[:0]

Tom

1963 Studebaker Avanti (http://hometown.aol.com/sbca96/images/63avanti.jpg), 102,000, custom made brake brackets to mount 1998 Mustang GT 4 wheel disc brakes (soon to get 13" Cobra front brakes, 2003 Mustang Cobra 17" wheels, GM altenator, will be getting : 97 Camaro Z28 tan leather seats, 97 Camaro Z28 T-56 6-speed trans, Ported 'R3' style Avanti heads with stainless full flow valves, 'R3' 276 duration cam w/chrysler solid lifters, shortened push rods, aluminum cam gear, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires, waiting in the garage.

Roscomacaw
04-04-2006, 10:04 PM
All Camaro underpinnings.:)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

gotti210
04-05-2006, 12:13 AM
wow this post is from who




hey biggs you goin soft on us

i didnt think you would be caught within a hundred feet of a stude with a heartbeat

just kidding with ya

tell your buddy to keep up the good work & i like it alot

sbca96
04-05-2006, 03:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

All Camaro underpinnings

Interesting ... what year Camaro? The IROC suspension is quite nice,
but lacks a Rack & Pinion. The first Gen Camaro stuff is way too much
for what you get, and from what I read not too good for handling. The
2nd Gen Camaros need a new upper arm.

When a Studebaker is this bad off, then I take exception to leaving it
Studebaker powered. Sounds like it would be more trouble then its
worth to bring it back to stock, and the next step would have been a
parts car ... so this route is certainly better! I hate people that
part cars out solely for money, with total disregard for how rare they
are and restorable. Terrible, just leaves less for the rest of us, &
jacks the prices up on what IS left.[xx(]

Tom

Dick Steinkamp
04-05-2006, 08:43 AM
quote:Originally posted by sbca96

[quote][i]I hate people that
part cars out solely for money, with total disregard for how rare they
are and restorable. Terrible, just leaves less for the rest of us, &
jacks the prices up on what IS left.[xx(]



...and provides the parts we need to keep our Studebakers on the road.



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sbca96
04-05-2006, 12:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp
...and provides the parts we need to keep our Studebakers on the road.


IF the car they are parting out TRUELY isnt repairable, then yes. But
I have seen TO MANY good solid cars parted out. Thats so wrong.[xx(]

Tom

Roscomacaw
04-05-2006, 01:57 PM
Here's the donor car. I honestly don't know what year it is or how much of it Keith is incorporating into the Commander.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

sbca96
04-05-2006, 05:22 PM
Looks like an IROC, late 80's. I hope that if he is using the trans
its an 88 or newer. If not, tell him to just throw that trans out &
go buy a 88-92 700 R4.;)

Tom

imported_n/a
04-06-2006, 07:05 PM
The IROC would probably be a sought-after car someday.

sbca96
04-07-2006, 03:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by Packebaker

The IROC would probably be a sought-after car someday.


They have actually gone up in value recently. We have an 86 that has
quite a lot of work done to it, including new paint. I just updated
the trans to one from a 91 Camaro. The 86 TH700 had already been
rebuilt, but they are so screwed up from the factory, that replacing
it is the best way to go. Its my wifes car from years past, and I did
not know her back when she had it rebuilt. In 87 1/2 they did some
changes to the trans, upgrades that finally made the 700 into a good
transmission. The IROC's are amazing good handling cars, and with
the current trend in "G-machines" they are an inexpensive way to get
to a fast, good handling, strong stopping car. The weak part is the
early IROC's had a 305, the 87 and newer received a 350 option. I have
seen some LS1's swapped into the IROCs, that makes it handle even
better (lighter front), and crazy-fast.;)

Tom

DEEPNHOCK
04-12-2006, 09:39 AM
Interesting...
After watching a '69 Z28 Camaro go for $140,000 on Barrett-Jackson it made me feel differently about the sbc engine in my yellow truck. It was also taken out of a '69 Z-28. (The whole front clip was).
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j54/deepnhock/225895a0.jpg
Maybe I should sell off the engine and trans to a Camaro guy and use the money to build a hot Stude 289...
Sounds like a plan;)
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Here's the donor car. I honestly don't know what year it is or how much of it Keith is incorporating into the Commander.


DEEPNHOCK at Cox.net
Ocala, FL.
'37 Coupe Express
'37 Coupe Express Trailer
'61 Hawk
http://community.webshots.com/photo/42559113/426827941Lsvfrz
http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

Dick Steinkamp
04-12-2006, 10:57 AM
quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

[navy][b]Interesting...
After watching a '69 Z28 Camaro go for $140,000 on Barrett-Jackson it made me feel differently about the sbc engine in my yellow truck. It was also taken out of a '69 Z-28. (The whole front clip was).



That is one sweet engine compartment, Jeff [:p]. Right down to a perfect data plate. Did you make those valve covers?




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DEEPNHOCK
04-12-2006, 11:46 AM
Didn't make the valve covers themselves (they are aftermarket Stude covers). I did make the oil filler caps and the adapters to put the the Stude valve covers.
http://community.webshots.com/album/52286299DWfTRS
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http://community.webshots.com/album/51819812MzIskx
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Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

[navy][b]Interesting...
After watching a '69 Z28 Camaro go for $140,000 on Barrett-Jackson it made me feel differently about the sbc engine in my yellow truck. It was also taken out of a '69 Z-28. (The whole front clip was).



That is one sweet engine compartment, Jeff [:p]. Right down to a perfect data plate. Did you make those valve covers?




http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg


DEEPNHOCK at Cox.net
Ocala, FL.
'37 Coupe Express
'37 Coupe Express Trailer
'61 Hawk
http://community.webshots.com/photo/42559113/426827941Lsvfrz
http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

mbstude
04-14-2006, 09:36 PM
It gets even sweeter once you drive it... :D:D:D

Matthew Burnette, the 16 year old Stude nut. South Georgia Chapter
http://www.stude.com/phpgallery/albums/userpics/0001matthew%7E0.jpghttp://www.stude.com/phpgallery/albums/userpics/avatat.jpghttp://www.stude.com/phpgallery/albums/userpics/basketcase2.jpg
63 Daytona HT (project)
51 Stude dump truck (yes, I won the raffle)
52 Commander Starliner (basket case)

MANY more Studes in the family and a few parts cars
http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstude101
And here: http://community.webshots.com/user/mbstudepagetwo

Roscomacaw
04-15-2006, 01:43 PM
A bit more info here, on the modifications Keith's done to his Custom 55 Commander.
Please note that all precautions were taken before Keith did any cutting or welding on this fuel tank! Primarily, the tank was vat-soaked by a radiator shop to remove any traces of old gasoline. This is a MUST DO before proceeding to bring flame or spark ANYWHERE near a fuel tank. It DOES NOT MATTER HOW LONG it's been since a used fuel tank has last seen any fuel in it! Remaining vapors can turn an old tank into an IED (Intensive Explosive Device) with the first hint of ignition![xx(][xx(][xx(] Believe me! I've seen several instances of proof thru my automobiling years.

Those precautions spelled out, Keith wanted to incorporate that Camaro's in-tank fuel pump and insure that it would always be immersed in fuel as it must be. That's the reason for the sump added to the bottom of the tank. As yet untested, it looks like a good idea.
Also, he's filled in the original pickup tube/sending unit hole and added the orfice/lockring setup from the Camaro's tank.

This isn't an endorsement from me - just observations of another guy's handiwork.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS