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r1lark
03-04-2006, 09:56 AM
I need some help. The Stude 4-bbl intake pictured below was removed from a '55 President Speedster. The color throws me, I thought '55 engines were a blueish or turquoise color. However, this engine may simply have been painted the wrong color during it's 'restoration' in the '70s.

The casting number is 535661.

So......is this the correct manifold for a '55 Speedster?
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/Intake%20top%20resized%7E0.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/Intake%20Bottom%20resized.jpg

Paul

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Mike Van Veghten
03-04-2006, 12:25 PM
Humbled and corrected.......

Roscomacaw
03-04-2006, 12:55 PM
It's right. Save for the color anyway.:)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

r1lark
03-04-2006, 02:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mike Van Veghten

Don't know if it's correct for your car or not....but it is a fairly rare find. I'd guess it's for a later car...but again, I don't know. A "stock" (non-modified 2 barrel) manifold that's AFB ready, pretty cool. Jeff Rice may have a better feel for it's "year" athenticity
Mike, it's the small bore/bolt pattern for a WCFB.

I figure Jeff Rice will weigh in tonight when he gets on his 'puter.......lucky dog is at York. Hey Jeff, how was Hooters?<G>

By the way, it's not for any car I have. It's going on eBay.

Paul

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Roscomacaw
03-04-2006, 02:43 PM
I trotted out to the shop and checked it against the sho-nuff original driveline setup I pulled from a 55 President about 6 years ago. Part# 536303.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

dclewallen
03-04-2006, 05:02 PM
On the 4bbl manifold topic- I've got one that was in the truck of my 53 when I bought it. It does not look like the ones that I'm used to seeing.The casting number is 535661. Any idea what and when it's from?

Darryl C. Lewallen

StudeRich
03-04-2006, 06:22 PM
It's exactly the same one pictured above your post by R1 Lark and is part # 536303, 535661 must be the CASTING # which usually does NOT match the finished machined product's part #!
This type was used with square bore WCFB carb. on '55 to '58 models before '59 when the CARS went to "intake mounted Ign. Coils" notice there are no bosses to be drilled & tapped for Coil holes near the Rt. Rear of Carb. (Most "C" cab Trucks still had firewall mounted Coils. so could also use these.)

Rich. at Studebakers Northwest


quote:Originally posted by dclewallen

On the 4bbl manifold topic- I've got one that was in the truck of my 53 when I bought it. It does not look like the ones that I'm used to seeing.The casting number is 535661. Any idea what and when it's from?

Darryl C. Lewallen


StudeRich
Ferndale, WA

dclewallen
03-05-2006, 04:28 PM
My car has the WW 2-bbl setup on it now. Is this 4bbl. intake any good from a performance standpoint [worth swapping to]? Would I notice a difference [232]? Will a new edelbrock 4bbl. carb bolt to this intake without an adaptor? Thanks,

Darryl C. Lewallen

DEEPNHOCK
03-05-2006, 08:47 PM
Hooter's was closed.
Seems they had a fire and burned up the fry table area...
(Their sign said their wings were too hot ;))
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by r1lark


quote:Originally posted by Mike Van Veghten

Don't know if it's correct for your car or not....but it is a fairly rare find. I'd guess it's for a later car...but again, I don't know. A "stock" (non-modified 2 barrel) manifold that's AFB ready, pretty cool. Jeff Rice may have a better feel for it's "year" athenticity
Mike, it's the small bore/bolt pattern for a WCFB.

I figure Jeff Rice will weigh in tonight when he gets on his 'puter.......lucky dog is at York. Hey Jeff, how was Hooters?<G>

By the way, it's not for any car I have. It's going on eBay.

Paul

Visit The Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: http://hometown.aol.com/r1skytop/myhomepage/index.html

Roscomacaw
03-07-2006, 01:57 PM
Darryl,

Sure - a 4bbl's gonna make a difference. But the manifold that's being discussed here (for a WCFB) will only take a WCFB. An Edelbrock (AFB clone) won't fit. Besides that, I believe even the smallest Edelbrock (500CFM) would be too much carb for a 232.

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

DEEPNHOCK
03-08-2006, 10:53 PM
If you were to do an upgrade.....
The manifold would run you $100
An installation kit $30
An AFB carb (new) about $225
Total= $355

And the carb is still on the large size for a stock 232 cid engine.
So...
Rebuild a WCFB.. $200?
Installation kit: $30
Total= $230

Fudge room $130 (cost of WCFB core?)

Tough call.
Both could be good choices, or both could be awful.
Jeff (just trying to help;)) Rice[8D]



quote:Originally posted by dclewallen

My car has the WW 2-bbl setup on it now. Is this 4bbl. intake any good from a performance standpoint [worth swapping to]? Would I notice a difference [232]? Will a new edelbrock 4bbl. carb bolt to this intake without an adaptor? Thanks,

Darryl C. Lewallen

whacker
03-09-2006, 12:09 AM
If you really want to see a performance boost with your 232, go to 259 heads. If you use the stock valves, they should clear the bores, and WOW what a change! You will also need to change to the 259 exhaust manifolds, and the four barrel intake would be a nice touch, but not really nessessary. Put soft modelling clay over the top of the block, set the head in place and gently press the intake and exhaust valves down into the clay. Remove the head and see if you have any interference with the block, if you do you need to releave the block as little as possible to clear the valves. Make sure you also releave the head gasket also if nessessary. If you want to continue with the two barrel carb, gasket match the original two barrel intake manifold to the heads. The original early intake manifold is much superior to the later flat one as far as air flow goes, and will give you a ram effect. Or, use the early 4 barrel intake manifold discussed in this thread, a much superior manifold to the later flat manifold. You won't believe the difference!