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hoehnelli
01-29-2006, 11:01 PM
I just bought an adapter to use a sbc in a studebaker. Was wondering what tranny a 52 commander sedan most likely came with. Rearend? Thanks, I appologize for my ignorance.

Swifster
01-29-2006, 11:25 PM
If you're going to use a SBC, I'd go with a newer driveline. Maybe a 700R4. This has an overdrive 4th gear, improving fuel mileage and will handle the torque of the modern engine without dealing with a second gear start. I'd also measure the rear axle and see if you can get Ford 8.8" rear end from a Ford Ranger. This rear end should be close. Just my opinion.

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Roscomacaw
01-30-2006, 12:37 AM
The 52 Commander would have had a Borg-Warner T-86 if it was a standard shift car. It would have had a Detroit Gear DG-200 if it had been an automatic.;)

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Dick Steinkamp
01-30-2006, 10:29 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

The 52 Commander would have had a Borg-Warner T-86 if it was a standard shift car. It would have had a Detroit Gear DG-200 if it had been an automatic.;)

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS


Those vintage adapters were for stick shifts only (IIRC), so it would most likely bolt to a T86 as Mr. Biggs states. The rear end in a '52 Commander would be a Dana 44.

Is it a plate type adapter or a bellhousing type? How does the clutch work with the adapter? Did you get the pilot bearing adapter with it?

-Dick-

bills 57 champion
01-31-2006, 03:39 PM
Hold it guys i asked this same ? a little while ago you all said no adaptor nothig bolts to a stude but a stude so now there is one where did you fid the adaptor and what dose it cost because it they make such an animal then i might want to put that 3 speed back in since no one wants to buy it

brent wood nh

JDP
01-31-2006, 04:05 PM
There is no adapter made today. He may have bought the old 50's version that was on ebay recently.

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Alan
01-31-2006, 05:37 PM
Hoosier Machine Products, 312-314 Southeast Sixth st. Pendelton Oregon. and Trans Dapt P.O. Box 4157 Compton , Cal made them you might still be able to get one if they have any left. But you still need a pilot bearing and a few small pieces.

gordr
01-31-2006, 09:43 PM
quote:Originally posted by bills 57 champion

Hold it guys i asked this same ? a little while ago you all said no adaptor nothig bolts to a stude but a stude so now there is one where did you fid the adaptor and what dose it cost because it they make such an animal then i might want to put that 3 speed back in since no one wants to buy it

brent wood nh


Brent, nobody's snowing you. The adaptor on eBay (I saw it too.)is for a Studebaker COMMANDER. Commanders (at least '51 through '58) are all V8 cars, and use a T86 transmission. The T86 is a bigger casting and uses a different bolt pattern to that of the T96 in your Champion.

I once had a '65 Wagonaire. It came with a very tired 194 six, and it had a T96 tranny with overdrive. I installed a 283 V8 which would mate up to THAT PARTICULAR T96 because T96's made for '65 and '66 Studebakers had an input shaft designed to mate with the Chevy-type clutch. There was a cast-iron adaptor plate between the T96 tranny and the bellhousing. Anyway, that T96 lasted about 6 weeks before it blew up. They just cannot take the torque of the 283.

If you are going to use a Chevy engine, you had might as well use a Chevy transmission. Make it easier on yourself. Truth be told, even the T86 tranny is really only strong enough for sedate driving behind a Stude V8 or 283 Chev. If you drive it hard, or drag race, you will blow it up, too. And all Stude manuals, except for the T10 4 speed, have non-synchro low gear, which is kind of un-fun.

For the swap you contemplate, I'd really recommend either a TH700R4 automatic (or 200-4R), or else a manual 5-speed if you are like a standard shift. Might as well have synchro low, AND an overdrive top gear.

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