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PlainBrownR2
03-14-2007, 07:23 PM
Hello all,
I need to know what an average modern rim (F*rd, Ch*vy, D*dge) will interchange from a salvage yard or modern vehicle to the 49-55 Studebaker C-Cab 1/2 ton? :)

John


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
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StudeRich
03-14-2007, 08:08 PM
Chev 1/2 Tons and small Toyota Trucks have the same pattern, but most do not fit "level" on the drum without spacing washers, not the safest way to go though!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

JDP
03-14-2007, 08:09 PM
It's a Chevy pattern, maybe a Chevy van or light truck.

64 Commander 2 dr.
64 GT Hawk R2 clone
64 Daytona HT
63 Cruiser
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black)
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

Roscomacaw
03-14-2007, 08:19 PM
It's a 5 on 5 pattern, but as has been said, the shape of the drum's outer face isn't friendly to many wheels with that lug pattern. There ARE some GM vans, some Cadillacs and even some mid-70s Lincolns With STEEL - not ALLOY) wheels that will work.
It would be nice if there were some aftermarket adaptors/spacers that would accomodate a wheel change, but these don't exist!:( So you're left with a stack of washers - which is a piss-poor way to do things. Further, by the time you stack up enough washers to make up for the drum's different face, then you need to install longer lugs to give adequate length for the lug nuts to get a grip on.[xx(]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

PackardV8
03-14-2007, 09:17 PM
Greetings, All,

The GM big car 5" pattern. I used to run '60s Cadillac and Buick steel wheels on my 1/2t.

thnx, jv.

PackardV8

Roscomacaw
03-14-2007, 10:09 PM
I've got Buick Riviera wheels on Pete. This was done by using a Turner disc conversion on the front and having longer lug studs installed in the rear hub/drum assys. That and methodically stacking stacks of fender washers and measuring said stacks with vernier calipers to get 5 exactly alike stacks to put on each lug stud (on the rears only - which were and still are the original drum brakes) so the wheels would run true.:D
No, it isn't "elegant", but I'd tried every wheel and tire outlet I could find and none of them carried a spacer/adaptor that was even CLOSE. And beyond that, I figured if I could find such a spacer that was close, I could have my machinist friend touch them up a bit so they'd work. No dice.:(
The stacks of washers have worked well for 11 years now. I was careful to glue the washers from a given stack together so I didn't have to worry about them getting messed up - say, at some tire place or some such thing.;)
Truth is, I'd still be running stock wheel if it were possible. Problem is, stock wheels won't clear the Turner disc setup, so I had to find an alternative.:D

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

PlainBrownR2
03-14-2007, 10:31 PM
The reasoning I am asking about the modern rims is for using modern radials. I'm not overly concerned about judging on this instance, and I do not wanna mess too much with the split rim we all know and love. What I am doing is finding something that will interchange just like the F*rd rims interchanged with my Lark. At the moment were not worried about turners(although they are great) just yet, just something that will fit comfortably and safely over the drums.

John


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
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48M5
03-14-2007, 10:49 PM
I've been working on wheels for my 48M5 and like the other posters, I've found nothing out there that comes close to an elegant solution. My M project started out with OEM brakes and wheels. I changed over to Chevy truck drums then found a Turner disc brake setup. The Stude 16x4.5 wheels don't clear the calipers so my plan was to come up with a 16x6 wheel to allow fairly tall modern radials and hoping also to keep the OEM hub cap and trim rings.

I found a 70-ish F@#d F250 16x6 rim. Took the center out then tried to insert the center from my OEM Stude wheel. Sadly the Stude center diameter is about .190 too large. We actually thought about freezing the center with dry ice to shrink it but then thought better of the idea. Also you have to flip the wheel hoop over to get the correct backspace which is about 2 7/8". Once that's done the trim ring won't fit. So it's back to the drawing board. My local fabricator claims he can procure blank 16x6 wheel hoops from Stockton wheel but so far nada. Stockton can do the deed but they're spendy. I may have to stick to a 15" wheel as described above. That takes away the chance to use the Stude caps and will require a real tall tire to help keep the engine rpm's reasonable at crusing speed. --48M5

JDP
03-14-2007, 11:33 PM
Bob, such spacers do exist, I bought 1/4 inch ones on ebay so the wheels do not hit the ridge on the drum.

64 Commander 2 dr.
64 GT Hawk R2 clone
64 Daytona HT
63 Cruiser
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black)
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
63 Lark 2 door #2
62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark HT
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starliner
51 Commander

Transtar60
03-15-2007, 01:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by PlainBrownR2

The reasoning I am asking about the modern rims is for using modern radials. I'm not overly concerned about judging on this instance, and I do not wanna mess too much with the split rim we all know and love. What I am doing is finding something that will interchange just like the F*rd rims interchanged with my Lark. At the moment were not worried about turners(although they are great) just yet, just something that will fit comfortably and safely over the drums.

John


1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
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Hey PBR2, 2R5's dont have split rims. If you have split rims then either they aint Studebaker truck rims or you dont have a 2R5 or you dont have a 2R5 with original 2R5 rims.

If you want to use any 5x5 wheel go to Studebaker Truck site and search for Jerry Kaiser;s Chevy truck drum conversion. Course that only works of the 1/2 ton 5 on 5 hubs.
Or check out this link
https://www.studebakerparts.com/studebakerparts/parts/html/pages/trkdrum.html

http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10056/5E13%20Pic%203.JPG
3E38
4E2
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28
4E2
59 Lark
etc

Roscomacaw
03-15-2007, 05:35 PM
JDP, if spacers were found to work for you, that's great. I never could find any that wanted to clear the raised area - not out towards the outer edge - but that inboard of where the lug studs poke thru.
Of course, this was in '96 and I did go to MANY wheel and/or tire shops in the area.

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

PlainBrownR2
03-16-2007, 02:33 AM
Oh, I meant welded rims. I didn't wanna use the welded rims. Dunno where I got that semi truck term from. Too many terminologies to remember :)

Roscomacaw
03-16-2007, 12:13 PM
BTW, JDP, if you remember WHERE you got those spacers, alot of truck guys would rejoice.

In the case of Pete, the Riviera wheels I'm using have a less than flat face where they snuggle up against the drum. Maybe the Buick drums they worked in concert with were peculiar in their own right.
I've thought about finding some aftermarket wheels I like for Pete. These genuine Riviera wheels are gaining in value as time goes on.[:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe