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chevpartsman
12-30-2005, 09:27 AM
I JUST BOUGHT A 1961 HAWK ....289..4BC...4-SPEED..TT . WHAT REAR END RATIO SHOULD IT HAVE ? WAS IT SUPPOSED TO HAVE WIDE WHITEWALLS OR THE 1" WIDE WHITES ? WHAT SIZE 70 SERIES TIRES (ON 6" WHEELS)WILL BE SAME HEIGHT AS 670 X 15 AND CLEAR EVERYTHING ?
THANKS,
KEN

JDP
12-30-2005, 10:13 AM
Look for a tag on the rear, most likly a 3.31 or 3.73. 205's are about as wide as you'd want on the front, 235's on the rear with wider rims.

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imported_n/a
12-30-2005, 11:16 AM
That reminds me--I want to check the differential in my 58 Packard ,and change the lube. It has a cover and gasket on the back. Assuming it is a Dana 44, was this diferential used more recently in other makes(Mopar?), so that I can readily buy the cover gasket at the local parts house? I looked on the reference chart another member recently put up on this board(thanks), but didn't see it due to technical problems. Edited to add: Looks to me per various internet sites that Jeep CJ's used the Dana 44. Will investigate and advise.:)

N8N
12-30-2005, 11:25 AM
I believe all Dana 44s used the same diff cover gasket. Should not be a problem to buy at FLAPS.

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chevpartsman
12-30-2005, 12:25 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Look for a tag on the rear, most likly a 3.31 or 3.73. 205's are about as wide as you'd want on the front, 235's on the rear with wider rims.

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What type of ww did the car come with ? I can find 2 3/8" wide in a 205/75 or 1 1/4 white stripe in 205/75

N8N
12-30-2005, 01:52 PM
'61 was probably somewhere in between. I can't remember if it was '61 or early '62 where they also used the narrow (1" or so) whitewalls that went all the way to the bead, which you can't find anywhere. The 1"-ish stripe started in late '62 IIRC.

Personally I would just buy whatever tires you think will look good on the car. Keep in mind that blackwalls would also be "correct" :)
nate

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DEEPNHOCK
12-30-2005, 02:24 PM
Make sure you get a build sheet for that Hawk.
Is it a 'plate' car? (Dash plaque on the glove box door with a name and number)...
'61 was the first year Stude put a 4 speed in a car, and that option is quite highly prized.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by chevpartsman

I JUST BOUGHT A 1961 HAWK ....289..4BC...4-SPEED..TT . WHAT REAR END RATIO SHOULD IT HAVE ? WAS IT SUPPOSED TO HAVE WIDE WHITEWALLS OR THE 1" WIDE WHITES ? WHAT SIZE 70 SERIES TIRES (ON 6" WHEELS)WILL BE SAME HEIGHT AS 670 X 15 AND CLEAR EVERYTHING ?
THANKS,
KEN


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studegary
12-30-2005, 02:35 PM
The car would have what are considered wide whites, but not the real wide whites like from the early '50s. The one inch white from the rim that N8N refers to came on '63 Larks. Either one inch white wall (from rim or stripe) is too late for your car and incorrect. If you get a build sheet from the SNM, you will be able to determine just what the car was assembled with and other things. There were only 3929 '61 Hawks built and a small percentage had four speed (first year offered). 1961 was the smallest production quantity of any year C/K body group, except for 1964 which was a truncated year of only four months.

Roscomacaw
12-30-2005, 03:25 PM
Aw...C'mon Gary! I've seen earlier Hawks that had trunks! I know such a feature wasn't restricted to just the 64s![xx(]

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Skip Lackie
12-30-2005, 04:48 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Aw...C'mon Gary! I've seen earlier Hawks that had trunks! I know such a feature wasn't restricted to just the 64s![xx(]

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GTtim
12-30-2005, 05:16 PM
In addition to what's been said, if you pick a tire that is 75 series you will be getting closer to the height of the original tire. This matters some for appearance and also affects the rpm to speed ratio.
Tim K.

N8N
12-30-2005, 06:02 PM
what Tim said... key word being "closer" - you'd have to go to a pretty beefy tire to match the rolling diameter of an original 6.70-15. If you prefer a performance oriented tire you're looking at at least 70 series... I just gave up, currently running 205/65 in front and 245/60 in back. Looks good, speedo a little optimistic, don't care :) Might go to a 215 in the front when my tires wear out.

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chevpartsman
12-30-2005, 10:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by studegary

The car would have what are considered wide whites, but not the real wide whites like from the early '50s. The one inch white from the rim that N8N refers to came on '63 Larks. Either one inch white wall (from rim or stripe) is too late for your car and incorrect. If you get a build sheet from the SNM, you will be able to determine just what the car was assembled with and other things. There were only 3929 '61 Hawks built and a small percentage had four speed (first year offered). 1961 was the smallest production quantity of any year C/K body group, except for 1964 which was a truncated year of only four months.
Thanks Gary....I did get a build sheet: 4bc,4-spd,tt,hd f &rr shocks & springs,tach,clock,reclining buckets,elect wipers,tinted w/shield,climatizer,hill holder,undercoating,wheel discs & b/u lights(the code on tires is # 55 white sidewalls)I would imagine very few were equiped like this.

Roscomacaw
12-30-2005, 10:56 PM
Speakin' of GTtim... Here's Tim & son easing down the road in their 64 Hawk![:0]
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/1135081795665_S2400121.JPG

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1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

GTtim
12-31-2005, 11:55 AM
Thanks for the view, Bob, that was a happy day. I'm working on getting the newly rebuilt R2 into the car as we speak. So, next time you try taking that shot you'll have to use your telephoto lense!<G>
I was going to mention to chevypartsman that the option #63 listed in cryptic Stude lingo as ELEC WINDS refers to the electric version of the windshield washer. All the '61's had electric wipers IIRCC. Maybe I'm misguessing here, but I think that is what he is looking at. By the way, the windshield washer feature that I am thinking of is electric only in the sense that it turns the wipers on for one swipe while you press on the rubber squeeze bulb that squirts the water, an early kind of intermittent wiper system. I've seen lots of these on cars, when was it first offered? Would '61 be the first year?
Tim K.