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wcarroll@outrageous.net
10-31-2005, 01:02 PM
Well, I mocked up my Phantom front end kit this weekend and wanted to
report my first impressions. First off, Rene does a great job of
labeling and organizing the parts so that it is easy to understand what does what and what goes where. The included instructions could benefit from a few more pictures but were for the most part straight forward and easy to understand. The components are top quality and well engineered with the exception of the front caliper brackets. When compared to those supplied in Jim Turner's rear disc kit, the Phantom front caliper brackets look and feel pretty wimpy. I may end up having some more heavy duty ones fabricated. My only other complaint would be the incosistancy in hardware as some of the lock washers and nuts were not zinc plated like the rest. I know this may seem picky but small details like this should not be an issue when paying a premium price for a product of this nature. Otherwise, with the exception of a little grinding on the rackmount bracket the kit fits like a glove. I opted for the dropped spindles and will be installing Shockwave air shocks up front to contol my ride height. In my opinion, this kit was well worth the money spent when compared to other avenues of front end modification. Rene has a good product and was a pleasure to do business with. Now if I can just get this car finished up so I can test this setup under driving conditions...stay tuned!


Check out these pics of the installation:

http://community.webshots.com/myphotos?action=viewAllPhotos&albumID=490509853

Alan
10-31-2005, 02:20 PM
Problem with the pictures Will.

wcarroll@outrageous.net
10-31-2005, 02:47 PM
I think Webshots might be on the fritx again. Sometimes the pics load and sometimes they don't :(

DEEPNHOCK
10-31-2005, 08:51 PM
You can't use the link to Webshots for the page you are on if you are logged in. You need to send an invitation to yourself to get the correct link from outside...
Then you copy and post that link.
Hope the info helps.
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by wcarroll@outrageous.net

I think Webshots might be on the fritx again. Sometimes the pics load and sometimes they don't :(


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wcarroll@outrageous.net
10-31-2005, 11:59 PM
Thanks Jeff. I assumed the problem was with Webshots as it was behaving strangely when I was uploading the pics.

Try this link:

http://community.webshots.com/album/490509853ZKlAzl

Kdancy
11-01-2005, 05:07 AM
Looking at the frame mods, wondering what drive train combination you are going to use?

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DEEPNHOCK
11-01-2005, 09:26 AM
Link worked fine.
Nice pic's....
Nice work!
Jeff[8D]






quote:Originally posted by wcarroll@outrageous.net

Thanks Jeff. I assumed the problem was with Webshots as it was behaving strangely when I was uploading the pics.

Try this link:

http://community.webshots.com/album/490509853ZKlAzl


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wcarroll@outrageous.net
11-01-2005, 11:08 AM
Thanks again Jeff -I'm just getting the feel for Webshots -so far I like it!

Hey Kdancy -I will be running an R1 Avanti motor with dished pistons, dual turbos, fuel injection, and a Borg Warner T5 5-speed tranny. The rear end is a Dana 44 out of a '63 Avanti that was supposedly wrecked in '64. Judging by the brake drums, backing plates, and lack of slop -I'de have to believe it. Thanks Studebob! I'll be doing lots of other neat stuff to the car. Really just going for a marriage of Studebaker style and performance -borrowing what I like from different models.

Roscomacaw
11-01-2005, 12:35 PM
Will, You're welcome. Glad it's getting put to good use. It'd be a made into a set of Chinese jackstands by now if I hadn't hauled it home some years ago.
I'm envious of that front end stuff. Looks like it's gonna do fine. Thanks for sharing the pics with us. ;)

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Kdancy
11-01-2005, 07:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by wcarroll@outrageous.net

Thanks again Jeff -I'm just getting the feel for Webshots -so far I like it!

Hey Kdancy -I will be running an R1 Avanti motor with dished pistons, dual turbos, fuel injection, and a Borg Warner T5 5-speed tranny. The rear end is a Dana 44 out of a '63 Avanti that was supposedly wrecked in '64. Judging by the brake drums, backing plates, and lack of slop -I'de have to believe it. Thanks Studebob! I'll be doing lots of other neat stuff to the car. Really just going for a marriage of Studebaker style and performance -borrowing what I like from different models.


Looks like a really nice project!
Will the T5 hold up to the dual turbos? What type fuel injection are you using? What rear gear are you using? Lot's of questions !!

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64Avanti
11-01-2005, 10:52 PM
I wouldn't use a T5 for that combination. Consider a Tremec TKO 600. I am installing one in my Bonneville Avanti with a modified Mcleod bellhousing. You can also install this on a standard bellhousing by using an adapter plate for the transmission if you use the Ford version of the transmission. I may make an adapter plate and installation kit in the future.

If you decide to keep the T5 expect to replace it a few times.

David L

wcarroll@outrageous.net
11-02-2005, 12:05 PM
Kdancy -The jury is out on wether the T5 will hold up. I'm not building a race car here -just having fun doing something a little different. The rear end is a 3.31 but I think Studebob is still sitting on a set of 3.73 gears for me incase I need them. Alan got me going on the fuel injection so I will probably be running the Megasquirt kit with the Accel setup. I'm hoping Jeff Rice will be able to start cranking out those Mopar intake manifold adapters so I can use one as the platform for the FI system.

David L. -Do you know if the Tremec tranny has the same bolt pattern as the Ford T5? I am using a modified Studebaker truck bellhousing -it has a more surface area on the tranny mating side. I don't plan to race this car and if I ever did I figured I would need to swap the tranny and the rear axles as they will be the weakest links.

royvaldez
11-03-2005, 12:17 AM
Studebob and Will. Could I use this same system (Phantom front end kit on my 1950 starlight. Roy

Kdancy
11-03-2005, 06:16 AM
quote:Originally posted by wcarroll@outrageous.net

Kdancy -The jury is out on wether the T5 will hold up. I'm not building a race car here -just having fun doing something a little different. The rear end is a 3.31 but I think Studebob is still sitting on a set of 3.73 gears for me incase I need them. Alan got me going on the fuel injection so I will probably be running the Megasquirt kit with the Accel setup. I'm hoping Jeff Rice will be able to start cranking out those Mopar intake manifold adapters so I can use one as the platform for the FI system.

David L. -Do you know if the Tremec tranny has the same bolt pattern as the Ford T5? I am using a modified Studebaker truck bellhousing -it has a more surface area on the tranny mating side. I don't plan to race this car and if I ever did I figured I would need to swap the tranny and the rear axles as they will be the weakest links.


See Ted's - an all new intake would be great. posthttp://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2224

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wcarroll@outrageous.net
11-03-2005, 10:28 AM
Here is a link with the Phantom Front Suspension kit info.

http://www.studebakervendors.com/phantom.htm#ANCHORTOP

Roy -It says the kit will fit '51 and up. Not sure what is so different about '50 and earlier cars. Maybe some others could shed some light on this?

Dick Steinkamp
11-03-2005, 10:39 AM
quote:Originally posted by wcarroll@outrageous.net

Here is a link with the Phantom Front Suspension kit info.

http://www.studebakervendors.com/phantom.htm#ANCHORTOP

Roy -It says the kit will fit '51 and up. Not sure what is so different about '50 and earlier cars. Maybe some others could shed some light on this?


'51-66 cars (actualy, also including the early Chevy powered Avanti II's) have essentially the same suspension. '50 and earlier cars don't share any of the front suspension parts of the '51-66 cars.

-Dick-

Roscomacaw
11-03-2005, 10:53 AM
Roy, that kit will not fit a '50. The 50's front suspension is way different in layout.[V]

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Dan White
11-03-2005, 10:57 AM
Roy:

Mr. Biggs can comment on this better than me, but the 1950 is a one year only setup, both front suspension, brakes etc. I am almost sure that the kit will not fit.



Dan White
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64Avanti
11-03-2005, 11:50 PM
The Tremec TKO 500 and 600 transmissions have the same bolt pattern as the Ford toploader which is different than the T5's.

Looks like you have an interesting project going. When do you expect to finish it?

David L

wcarroll@outrageous.net
11-07-2005, 02:14 PM
Hey 64Avanti -I hope to have the car together by Spring. Then I'll probably spend the remainder of my life making it perfect!