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Dan White
10-28-2005, 07:29 PM
Ok, this is for all of you intake manifold experts.

1) I bought one of those Lionel Stone R2-1 (R3 clone) intakes a few years ago and plan to put it on my R1 Hawk one of these days, but now with all the talk I am not so sure this is a good idea.

2) I notice that no one has brought up the idea of using early OHV Cadillac manifolds on Studes. Dick Datson's Studebaker Performance guide has great write ups on these manifolds and it seems that they would be great (cheap) fixes for those that cannot afford the Chrysler Adapters. You do need to do a bit of head work but over all they fit very very well in comparison. The ports are pretty well aligned and the size is very close and there are several different options available in aluminum. I have a 3x3 Offenhauser Stude manifold reworked for FI for my '58 pickup and it looks and fits great.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

N8N
10-28-2005, 07:35 PM
I really haven't heard anything bad about the LS manifold other than the fit.

Which reminds me... one of these days I need to make mine fit so I can give JP back his cast iron manifold.

nate

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JDP
10-28-2005, 08:29 PM
N8, I forgot you had it, just don't wear it out.:)

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64 GT Hawk
64 R2 4 speed Challenger
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
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Alan
10-28-2005, 08:35 PM
Dan, I welded those up for Stone when he first started up about 15 years ago, introduced him to the guy that made the cradle that machines them in. I charged him $20 apiece to weld and grind them and also debured them, when I told him that I was jacking it up to $50 apiece that was the last I saw of them. They are good manifolds if you rework them right and are perfect for Fuel Injection. It is too bad you are on the right coast. If you realy want to fix it I could check it out for you, but it's your dime for the shipping.

N8N
10-28-2005, 08:46 PM
Alan,

the problem that I have with this manifold is that apparently two different jigs were used for the various machining operations, and they are apparently out of sync with each other. The bolt holes are drilled correctly WRT the ports, but if you bolt it down there's gaps at opposite corners of the mating surfaces. I can set it down square on the engine, but then the bolt holes don't line up. I'm sure someone with a milling machine and a handy Stude engine to mock it up on could fix it easily, but I don't have a milling machine :/

Alternately I could just slot the bolt holes and bolt it down, but I'm worried that then there would be a "step" in the wrong direction in the intake ports; the ports of the intake are actually fairly close to gasket matched.

nate

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DEEPNHOCK
10-28-2005, 08:46 PM
The early Caddy manifold is NOT a great fit as far as port alignment goes. If you want to hack up a manifold and a pair of good Stude heads, you can get a reasonably close port match, but even then it is a dogleg shift that is not optimal as far as flow goes.
I won't get into DD's compilation of other people's work, but it is not the gospel. Yes, the Caddy manifold can be made to bolt on. That's about the best part of it. If you are into cosmetic's, then the Caddy manifold will do the job. If you want the best performance, then there are better ways.
For some port alignment pic's, go to:
http://community.webshots.com/album/381212676dSxDZl
Jeff[8D]




quote:Originally posted by Dan White

Ok, this is for all of you intake manifold experts.

1) I bought one of those Lionel Stone R2-1 (R3 clone) intakes a few years ago and plan to put it on my R1 Hawk one of these days, but now with all the talk I am not so sure this is a good idea.

2) I notice that no one has brought up the idea of using early OHV Cadillac manifolds on Studes. Dick Datson's Studebaker Performance guide has great write ups on these manifolds and it seems that they would be great (cheap) fixes for those that cannot afford the Chrysler Adapters. You do need to do a bit of head work but over all they fit very very well in comparison. The ports are pretty well aligned and the size is very close and there are several different options available in aluminum. I have a 3x3 Offenhauser Stude manifold reworked for FI for my '58 pickup and it looks and fits great.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT


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'61 Hawk
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DEEPNHOCK
10-28-2005, 08:51 PM
What part number is your Offy Stude triple deuce manifold? (As far as I know, Offy never made a three deuce Stude manifold...Offy made some triple deuce Caddy manifolds. Smoljn made a triple deuce manifold, but it is a totally open plenum manifold with siamesed runners, so flow numbers would be suspect. I'd love to see some pictures of your setup, so I could learn more about it.
Jeff[8D]




quote:Originally posted by Dan White

Ok, this is for all of you intake manifold experts.

1) I bought one of those Lionel Stone R2-1 (R3 clone) intakes a few years ago and plan to put it on my R1 Hawk one of these days, but now with all the talk I am not so sure this is a good idea.

2) I notice that no one has brought up the idea of using early OHV Cadillac manifolds on Studes. Dick Datson's Studebaker Performance guide has great write ups on these manifolds and it seems that they would be great (cheap) fixes for those that cannot afford the Chrysler Adapters. You do need to do a bit of head work but over all they fit very very well in comparison. The ports are pretty well aligned and the size is very close and there are several different options available in aluminum. I have a 3x3 Offenhauser Stude manifold reworked for FI for my '58 pickup and it looks and fits great.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT


DEEPNHOCK at Cox.net
'37 Coupe Express
'37 Coupe Express Trailer
'61 Hawk
http://community.webshots.com/photo/42559113/426827941Lsvfrz
http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock

Dan White
10-28-2005, 09:18 PM
Oops my mistake it is a reworked Caddy 3x2 manifold that will fit properly on my Stude heads. I still need to mount the FI runners on the manifold and will probably use a Mustang trottle body on a machined aluminum pressure box. It will be turbocharged. I have both a GM/Camero TB (front mount) but the way the space looks running it in from the side, Ford style looks to be the best fit.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

Dan White
10-28-2005, 09:20 PM
Alan that would be great. What is your address I would like for this manifold to fit properly. It is probably 7 or 8 years old from what I can remember, so it might be a better fit than the recent ones.

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

Alan
10-28-2005, 09:44 PM
Nate, your problem sounds like they did not clean the chips out the cradle from the last part before they put yours in. Stone is in S.B. for the 28 or you can call him and tell him you want to send it back to him for another and see what he says. Stone is good at taking care of his customers usualy without even asking why.

oldvinyl
10-29-2005, 03:10 AM
The lionel stone manifold is a nice flowing one., It pulls hard and similar response as the famous LD-340 Edelbrock mopar Intake. The Edelbrock 600 CFM carb is a great addition. Throttle response with this setup will be very good on a stock 259-289 Tom.