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hobiray
10-15-2005, 07:55 PM
Can anyone tell me what engine is in my Champ pick up. It is an OHV 6 cyl. painted yellow,? What do you need to know to ID it? Also any ideas where to look for front fenders and do Lark fenders and doors fit. Thanks for any help. Ray

mbstude
10-15-2005, 08:18 PM
Lark doors and fenders will work. Make sure the doors are from a 4 door. (only 59-62 though) The OHV 6 didn't come out until 1961, and it would ba a 170 CI. Also, you can buy new fiberglass fenders too! ;)

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hobiray
10-15-2005, 10:26 PM
Thanks. I had a feeling the engine may be a transplant. Most pics I saw were flat heads. Thanks again, Ray

Dwain G.
10-16-2005, 12:00 AM
What year is your 'Champ'? Only one year, 1960, would have a flathead engine.

Dwain G.

hobiray
10-16-2005, 06:50 AM
The reg. says '59, but actually I didn't think to check the ID plate. I will do that today.

mbstude
10-16-2005, 10:52 AM
Yeah, the Champ truck didn't come out til 60. The next Stude I hope to own will be a Champ. Short wheel base (Studebaker bed, not the Dodge) and it will have a R1 with 3 speed OD.
(It's a dream car, so let me dream :D)

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Roscomacaw
10-16-2005, 10:52 AM
That registration has to be wrong. This since they didn't make a Champ truck until 1960. Of course, the registration may say that it was first SOLD in 1959, since the 1960 models would've been introduced in late '59.
The ID plate (on the door jamb) should start out "5E" if it's a '60 model. 6E is '61, 7E is '62 and 8E is 63 & 64. Whichever it is, it'll likely be followed by another "5" digit which would indicate a 1/2ton model with a 6 cylinder engine.
As Dwain said, only '60 had a flathead6 originally, but your truck could have been retrofitted with the later OHV6 (which was introduced in 1961) Both the flathead and OHV of that era were 170cu.in. displacement engines.:D

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
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1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
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mbstude
10-16-2005, 11:07 AM
Wasn't the OHV six made by developing a new head design for the flat head six?


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Roscomacaw
10-16-2005, 03:36 PM
Yup. They simply didn't have the money to engineer and retool for a whole new engine.:( Too bad, too. I'm sure it would have been bigger and better than the compromise that the OHV 170 was.[}:)]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

mbstude
10-16-2005, 04:42 PM
I wish they had of done that too. But, I still like my 63 Daytona 6 just how it is. It's no big performer, but there will be other Studes in the future for that...
(buy I won't ever sell that Daytona. BTW, it needs a name!)

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hobiray
10-16-2005, 07:00 PM
Thanks For the help guys. I got real busy and forgot to check the tag today, but it looks like your still telling me it's a swaped engine. Does anyone have experience with rebuilding the front cab mounts? Should I start a new topic with that question? Thanks again, Ray

52hawk
10-17-2005, 08:45 AM
In the general discussion,read 'sick Studie.Classic Enterprizes in Wisconsin makes the mounts.I have their catalog[but not with me right now]I'd imagine the Lark mounts will work on a Champ.

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raprice
10-18-2005, 05:38 PM
Ray,
If your truck is a '60, it should have the flat head Lark 6. So, you may have an engine swap in your vehicle. The overhead valve 6 that you have came out in '61 and should be a little peppier than the flat head.
Rog

JeffDeWitt
10-18-2005, 08:40 PM
I don't think the Champ mounts are ANYTHING like the Lark mounts. The Champ has two mounts in the front corners of the cab, but the Lark has two mounts in the engine compartment. You can see them just hanging in space in a Champ, all the sheet metal is the same, but the frame that supports it is of course VERY different.

Jeff DeWitt

DEEPNHOCK
10-18-2005, 09:01 PM
Wow Matthew... That is a bold statement!
I remember my Stude passion at 15... (Ran a close second to hormones;))... You just keep your focus and max out your school work. If you get the school things done correctly, the Stude stuff will fall in line like dominoe's!
See you in Lake Mary!
Jeff[8D]

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Stude4x4
10-19-2005, 04:31 PM
I've known guys who cut the body to frame mounts off of a lark and put them on a T-cab.

I also think that no matter what age you are, when the Stude disease hits, its got ya for life. And Jeff, its too hard to think about school when you have a few projects waiting for you at home.
-Jake

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hobiray
10-19-2005, 06:33 PM
OK Here goes. The serial # is E5134351 so I guess it wpould be the 1960 with a reg that says 1959 (numbers match). I'm fine with that, and you guys are helping immensely. The eng has numbers on left front side near the top of the block # IE 25800. I was happy with the idea of a slightly newer 170 cu. in.. I just bought a waterpump for it on E-bay that was supposedly for a Study with a 194 Chevy engine. Motor Manual from 1935 through '57 shows nothing smaller than 216 cu. in. I'm guessing the whole pump discription was wrong.

gordr
10-19-2005, 07:46 PM
Nope,

It sounds like you got a water pump for a 194 six.:D

The 194 came out well AFTER '57, and was originally introduced for the Chevy II, if I remember right. When Studebaker ceased production in South Bend, the plant in Canada carried on using this engine and the companion 283 V8. Some '66 Studes got the 230" version of the stright six. In post-Studebaker time, this engine was bumped up to 250 cubic inches and saw a lot of use in GM cars.

I can't tell you if the water pump for the Stude application is the same as that for the Chevy aplication; there might be a different shaft length or placement of the flange on the shaft. What I can tell you is that pump won't fit your 170, but 170 OHV pumps are readily available from the Stude vendors.

Hang on to the 194 pump, and bring it to a Stude meet. Chances are you could sell or swap it for something you want.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

hobiray
10-20-2005, 05:44 AM
Thanks Gord. I think your helping a lot with the engine ID. The 194 water pump is exactly the same as the one I removed from the engine. If the pump came in the right box then maybe my engine is getting newer and bigger as we go. Either that or I'm just getting more confused. Thanks again, Ray

gordr
10-20-2005, 07:44 AM
Ray,

I really doubt you have a 194 in your Champ. They are quite a lot longer than the Stude 170, and would scarcely fit. Might have to dish the firewall and move the rad forward to do it. Also the 1E 25800 sounds like what you'd find on a 170 meant for a truck. Studebaker never put the GM-sourced engines in any trucks.

In any case, the 170 has the manifolds on the passenger side, and the distributor on the driver's side, and valve cover is held down by studs through the top. The 194 has the manifolds on the driver's side, and distributor on the passenger side, and the valve cover is retained by screws on its perimeter.

Hope that helps,



Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

Roscomacaw
10-20-2005, 10:13 AM
Well, that serial# places the truck squarely as a 1962 7E5 Champ. And the engine # is correct for a 170cu.in. OHV 1962 Champ engine.;):D

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

hobiray
10-20-2005, 05:19 PM
OK Gord. That nails the engine. It is for sure the 170. Manifold, dist. location and cover bolts.
Now Mr. Biggs, I'm even more confused about the truck year. There is no number before the E on the stamped plate. Im going to go out and look again. Any other big signs to look for?

hobiray
10-20-2005, 06:00 PM
Mr. Biggs, Thank you very much for your help. Last trip to the garage I found that there is a "Model" number at the bottom of the serial number tag. That number is 7E5112. I guess the good thing is it's probably the original engine. The bad thing is in NY state it will probably take an act of congress to change the registration. The ladies at motor vehicles know everything there is to know about driving people nuts.

studegary
10-21-2005, 10:25 PM
Go to the motor vehicle bureau with a pencil tracing and/or a picture of your serial number plate along with the manual showing the serial number range for that year. If you don't have success at first, just go to a different office. I am also in NYS and I have gone to three different offices in two counties on the same day until I got a Studebaker registration problem resolved. It is worth the effort because once it is done, it is done from then forward.

mbstude
10-22-2005, 08:22 PM
Yeah, when the Stude fever hits, there is no cure. I tend to stay on top of my school work. BTW, that Stude bug got bigger today. Dad let me drive the Wagonaire with it all opened up. LOTSA fun!

Matthew Burnette; the world's most
dedicated 15 year old Stude nut!
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1963 Daytona HT
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hobiray
10-22-2005, 08:27 PM
Thanks, Yes we do have one office near by that allows the staff to use their own head when there is an unusal problem. It is a bit out of my way but probably worth the trip. I don't have a manual but worst comes to worst I guess I could buy one. Have a good one, Ray