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Mr.Biggs
08-13-2005, 12:48 PM
Here's a couple photos of the 58 wagon with it's fin(s) removed. First pic shows what I found when I got the fin off. There was a bit of accumulated dust along the lower edge and that, of course, held whatever moisture got in over the past 47 years and thus promoted rust.
I knocked off the crusty stuff the best I could with a putty knife and a wire brush. Then I even dragged my sandblaster out and lightly whisked at the deepest of the cancer which was just at the edge of the rear quarter - right next to where you see the BU lite fixture hanging down. This revealed two 1/8" holes that had gone thru. No matter - it'll be covered up when the fin goes back on. And unlike sedans and Hawks, this area is not open to the wheel well, so water from the road is not gonna get slung here!
As you can see in the second photo - I POR'd the whole under-area and did the same on the inside of the fin. This right side fin had actualy started to rust thru a bit along it's lower edge and was the primary reason I called the sandblaster into the battle. I blasted away the rust - ONLY in the spots where it was coming thru. I didn't wannna do the whole fin and surely distort it as sandblasting tends to do with sheet metal. Then, when I was PORing the inside of the fin, I laid on a piece of fiberglass and saturated it with the POR too. I'll ultimately use filler to repair the fin from the outside once it's mounted back in place.
Is this THE MOST bulletproof (good-for-another-50-years) repair I could have done? No. But I wanna DRIVE the thing a bit before gas goes to 4 bucks a gallon and I have to take out a loan to take a drive in it![V]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

lvanw
08-13-2005, 01:32 PM
Bob
that is a nice looking wagon
hope it turns out nice for you.
i got another 60 lark coming from Az.
cant seemed to stay away from them
John

Roscomacaw
08-13-2005, 02:21 PM
As you well know, John! They're a disease![xx(]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

KevinSheen
08-13-2005, 03:20 PM
You know Mr B., That POR gives me an idea. A two-tone Black over white paint job would probably look pretty sharp, if not exactly original. Kevin in the Stoogebaker

1963 Champ

Roscomacaw
08-13-2005, 06:35 PM
Kevin,

I had a 57 Silver Hawk for a time. The thing wore it's original Black & Turquoise two-tone. Man, that was a sharp color combo. Fact is, the '57 color options really had broad latitude. They'd put any of the numerous colors they had with white or black. And some of them were really striking combos!;)
One thing about POR-15 - that stuff is really picky about what it sticks to. It doesn't like to stick to other paints and it doesn't grip other paints that are applied over it.[}:)]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

KevinSheen
08-13-2005, 06:41 PM
That's good info Mr B. I was thinking about getting POR's P/U bed repair kit. But if other paints don't like to stick to it maybe a different brand would be in order. Kevin in the Stoogebaker

1963 Champ

Roscomacaw
08-13-2005, 07:09 PM
Well, Kev, I didn't mean to infer that ALL their products don't do well with paint. Only the POR-15 rust preventative. That's really the only product of theirs I've tried over the years. But I have used it a bit and learned along the way what to expect it to do or not do.
Buddy of mine put the stuff on over primer - thinking he was buying extra protection in places where it wouldn't be seen. The stuff would peel right off the primer after a couple days!
I guess it's misleading in that it comes in a can, like paint. And it goes on with a brush, like paint. But it's different than paint in that it's picky about what it grips to.[}:)]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

KevinSheen
08-13-2005, 07:37 PM
On board ships that I've worked on, I've used a couple of different rust converters which I'm sure are similar to POR15. ChemPrime and EndRust are two of the brand names that come to mind. Its been my experience that enamel primers won't stick very well but epoxy primers do just fine. The epoxy paints dry much harder than an enamel can and I guess that makes the difference.
I've also found that the rust converters last longer if you brush on a second coat after about 4-6 hours. Long enough for the first coat to be dry to the touch, but not completely cured. Then let it sit for 24 hours until cured before covering with primer. Just my $0.02 worth. Kevin in the Stoogebaker

1963 Champ

Roscomacaw
08-13-2005, 09:18 PM
Actualy, POR-15 ISN'T a "rust converter. It simply blocks moisture from getting to the rusted area any more. Water acts as a catalyst on POR-15 and actualy makes it harder over time. It LOVES to cling to rusted metal. And POR has a prep stuff that'll make slick, clean metal more attractive to POR-15 if you want to use it over clean metal. But it really likes a bit of rust to cling to.:)

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

KevinSheen
08-13-2005, 10:33 PM
Mr B, you're right, of course. Converter is the wrong word. Its more of a sealant, I guess that's the word I'm looking for. Same with one of those other products I mentioned. One of them is a converter though. It chemically bonds to the rust and does something to the molecular structure to keep the rust from spreading (if the paint sales rep is to be believed).
Anyhow if the POR15 is anything like the other products I've used, it ought to do the job. Kevin in the Stoogebaker

1963 Champ

studegary
08-13-2005, 10:36 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Kevin,

I had a 57 Silver Hawk for a time. The thing wore it's original Black & Turquoise two-tone. Man, that was a sharp color combo. Fact is, the '57 color options really had broad latitude. They'd put any of the numerous colors they had with white or black. And some of them were really striking combos!;)


That brings back memories. I had a neighbor that purchased a black and turquoise 1957 Silver Hawk new. I used to see that car every day and thought that it looked sharp. IIRC, he kept it when he purchased his 1966 Studebaker new. My first Studebaker was a white and turquoise 1957 President Classic.