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DilloCrafter
07-10-2005, 01:44 AM
Are there any alternative carburetors for a 185 Champion six other than the original 1bbl Carter that is on mine now? I'm hoping there's a way to get more power from the engine, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Also, when I bought this 55 truck, the original oil bath air cleaner was long gone, only a cheapy little air cleaner (that looks like a pleated upside down drinking glass) attached to the carb with a hose clamp. Assuming I stay with the existing Carter carb (approx 2 1/4 inches across the outside of the carburetor throat), what other air cleaner unit can I install that will fit and that will get its air from the front of the grill, rather than taking hot air from the surrounding engine compartment?

Thanks,
Paul

N8N
07-10-2005, 06:01 AM
Calvin Lowell (OldCarFart) was making a 2bbl adapter for the champion but I don't know if he still is or not. You might also want to check with Bill Cathcartm he is the Champion performance guru.

Just FYI the factory air cleaner sucked air from the engine compartment as well. AFAIK the only Studes with cold air induction were the R-3 models.

nate

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DEEPNHOCK
07-10-2005, 06:52 AM
There's a neat Offy dual carb manifold available new from offyparts.com...
http://www.offyparts.com/index.php/cPath/1_24?osCsid=422bfd6b0a6d820a11eeec42d2ecb6fd
Calvin Lowell made a few carb adapters to run a 2bbl carb that really perked up the lil' Champ engine.
If you have a Stromber WW 2bbl carb laying around from another Stude, you can run this adapter (as long as you have the hood clearance)...
http://www.stoveboltengineco.com/acartpro/product.asp?productid=91
(price is real reasonable too!)
Hope the info helps.
Jeff[8D]




quote:Originally posted by DilloCrafter

Are there any alternative carburetors for a 185 Champion six other than the original 1bbl Carter that is on mine now? I'm hoping there's a way to get more power from the engine, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Also, when I bought this 55 truck, the original oil bath air cleaner was long gone, only a cheapy little air cleaner (that looks like a pleated upside down drinking glass) attached to the carb with a hose clamp. Assuming I stay with the existing Carter carb (approx 2 1/4 inches across the outside of the carburetor throat), what other air cleaner unit can I install that will fit and that will get its air from the front of the grill, rather than taking hot air from the surrounding engine compartment?

Thanks,
Paul


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DilloCrafter
07-10-2005, 04:13 PM
Thanks for all this information, guys. I've still got a lot of thinkin' and learnin' to do.

studegary
07-10-2005, 10:13 PM
For starters, put a much larger capacity air cleaner on your engine. You might be surprised. I have seen many engines with poor performance just because the air cleaner was too small or was blocked/dirty. That 185 cubic inch engine has to be able to freely draw in a large volume of air. Of course, other changes, like a two barrel or a shaved head, will yield more, but it sounds like you need to change the air cleaner no matter what.

Tom B
07-10-2005, 10:46 PM
I had success transplanting a Holly Webber two barrel progressive onto my 170 flathead, high compression head (7.5), with a bit of jetting jiggery pokery. My experience can be seen at

http://www.alink.com/personal/tbredehoft/larkcarb.doc

Write me with questions.

With a 4.09 rear ratio, 3sp OD transmission, I had one 196 mile run with over 29 mpg.

Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'60 Lark VI

DilloCrafter
07-10-2005, 11:50 PM
Thanks, Studegary. I'll take your advice and find a big air cleaner to match whatever carb arrangement I settle on. (And I can see how shaving my head will cut down on drag, but how will it make me stronger? ;)).

TomB, I appreciate you sharing your experience with the upgrade. For anyone else who wants to visit your link above, I suggest they do a "right-click and save as" to get that Word doc onto their computer rather than a regular left-click (may hang up in the browser window like mine did). If I get a similar kit from Stovebolt, I'll probably write you for advice, although that Word doc is a great article on your 1bbl to 2bbl conversion.

DilloCrafter
07-11-2005, 12:31 AM
DEEPNHOCK, is this the Stromberg 2bbl you are talking about, and do you think this one is worth buying and for how much?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7985943952

If so, would this be a better choice than the (already rebuilt) Holley Weber that I can get from Langdon's Stovebolt Engine Parts Co. http://www.stoveboltengineco.com/acartpro/product.asp?productid=149

Mr. Langdon's site doesn't have a photo of the Holley Weber (I think it is a model 5200), but here is a photo I stole from Tom B's Word document.
http://rocketdillo.com/stude/images/hollyWeber5200.jpg

DEEPNHOCK
07-11-2005, 06:36 AM
Interesting conversion.
I have a customer who used that style carb on an early 2bbl Stude V8 manifold (turned it sideways). Made for a real high mpg setup.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by Tom B

I had success transplanting a Holly Webber two barrel progressive onto my 170 flathead, high compression head (7.5), with a bit of jetting jiggery pokery. My experience can be seen at

http://www.alink.com/personal/tbredehoft/larkcarb.doc

Write me with questions.

With a 4.09 rear ratio, 3sp OD transmission, I had one 196 mile run with over 29 mpg.

Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'60 Lark VI



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DilloCrafter
07-13-2005, 09:17 PM
Opinions, please: Do you think a Holley 2300 (part #07448) 2 barrel, capable of 350 cfm, is too much for the Studebaker 185 cu. in. six?

Thanks in advance,
Paul

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup

Tom B
07-13-2005, 09:56 PM
At 3800 rpm a 185 will be drawing in between 170 and 200 cfm. It might be somewhat rich, jetted down, should be all right. If you make it to 5000, you will need 250 cfm. plenty of air left.

Would it be to much carb? Probably not.

Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'60 Lark VI

Dingleberry
07-14-2005, 09:19 AM
Here is something to drool over...

http://www.cathcartsstudebaker.com/products/performance/performance.htm




quote:Originally posted by DilloCrafter

Are there any alternative carburetors for a 185 Champion six other than the original 1bbl Carter that is on mine now? I'm hoping there's a way to get more power from the engine, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Also, when I bought this 55 truck, the original oil bath air cleaner was long gone, only a cheapy little air cleaner (that looks like a pleated upside down drinking glass) attached to the carb with a hose clamp. Assuming I stay with the existing Carter carb (approx 2 1/4 inches across the outside of the carburetor throat), what other air cleaner unit can I install that will fit and that will get its air from the front of the grill, rather than taking hot air from the surrounding engine compartment?

Thanks,
Paul


Paul Leske
'59 Lark VI