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okiebob
03-21-2005, 05:16 PM
More questions for you brainy stude guys out there. First though I bought the 50 coupe in New York (Yea)! The gentleman I'm buying the car from says he has to remove the tag and turn it back in to the state. I can't get an Okla. tag without the Okla. inspecting the car first. I really want to fly in and drive the car home, but what to do about a tag. Also do I need to put a lead additive in the gas. The car has overdrive, so what kind of gas milege can I expect. Thanks in advance, OkieBob P.S. If you drive a 50's car shouldn't you pay 50's gas prices. Thanks again for all the help. OkieBob

raprice
03-21-2005, 05:50 PM
Bob,
You'll really have to check with your DMV in your state to find out what they need to issue you a license plate. Yes, in NY we need to turn our old plates into the DMV.
No, you won't need anything other than unleaded regular. If the car is in good tune, you should be looking at 18-20 mpg. Enjoy. That's one of my favorite cars of all time.
Best of luck.
Rog

dpson
03-21-2005, 06:57 PM
Here in Vermont we have the same regulations so far as the licence plates being returned to DMV when the vehicle is sold. You should check with your DMV to see if you can get temporary or "transit" plates. It sounds like you are taking on quite an undertaking driving a 1950 Studebaker from New York to Oklahoma. A couple years ago a club member bought an Avanti out west and decided to drive it home back east. In the long run, with airfare, breakdowns, gas, motel rooms and meals it would have been less expensive to have it commercially shipped, not to mention the time off from work. As a minimum get a roster of Studebaker Drivers Club (SDC) vendors and members so that you have contacts in case of trouble on the way. Good luck and let us know how you come out. (I would figure 18 to 20 MPG with the OD transmission.)

KevinSheen
03-21-2005, 07:31 PM
Okie, you should be able to get a NY temp tag from the local DMV where you are buying the car. Kevin

1963 Champ

studegary
03-22-2005, 02:09 PM
In New York State, we have to turn the plates in to the DMV and get a form before we can legally remove the insurance from the vehicle. The present owner can use the remaining credit on the plates towards the plates for another car or he can get a refund of the second year's charges if the registration is in the first year of its two year cylce. Out of state residents can get a 30 day temporary cardboard plate for transport use to another state. You get this from the DMV. I believe that you need an ownership document, bill of sale and proof of insurance. Check out NYS DMV's web site for details/information. In New York State, titles were only issued for cars starting in 1973. Prior year vehicles have a transferable registration. You should receive that part of the registration signed by the current owner as your proof of ownership. What part of NYS is the car located in. Maybe one of us in NYS can be of some assistance. Good Luck!

Roscomacaw
03-22-2005, 02:37 PM
Bob - I read dpson's cautions to driving your Stude and I understand where he's coming from. But Studes were daily transportation when they were new, and people actualy travelled in them instead of having them hauled to long distance destinations.
Driving it to OKLA IS a judgement call after you initially assess the car first-hand. If it looks like a shakey deal, then you have to decide if your trip is gonna be one that trys your patience or provides you with a challenge you learn from and will be a story in your repetoir of memorable tales to relate to your grandkids.
If you're gonna tell your boss how many days off you need, based on the average speed you can hope to maintain - you need to have it hauled. If you have the time to go along at a pace that the car feels comfortable with, it should be a pleasureable adventure. I guess I'm saying it's all in how you approach it.
I can't recall whether this is a Champion or Commander but I don't think that matters much. With the Champion - on relatively flat terrain - I have gotten as much as 27MPG on the road. Honest top speed will hover around 70MPH in Overdrive. I used to joke that I could do an honest 72MPH with a tailwind. It wasn't THAT much of a joke tho!
The Commander might get about the same mileage or maybe slightly less. But top speed in OD can be faster than you want to go, given the brakes these 1950 models have. Try your best to drive defensively and keep adequate car lengths between you and the car ahead. The brakes are not inherently dangerous but they're not gonna match the stopping capabilities of modern cars either.
Frankly, when taking a trip like this, I love to take the secondary roads - especially in the country. The speed limits of the old 2-lanes are more in keeping with what these cars were designed to tackle when they were new. There were no 4/6-lane interstates in 1950!
Carry the spare water pump, fuel pump, belt and some gasket-maker sealant along with enough tools to handle changing those items. Check ALL the fluid/lubricant levels before you start out. Ask if the car has been throughly greased of late. If not, have that done at some garage before you head out.
Take a journal & cameras along to record your adventure and then write about it so we all can share when you're done!:D

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okiebob
03-22-2005, 03:14 PM
The car is located on Long Island. OkieBob

studelover
03-29-2005, 06:19 PM
Drive your studebaker however beware and use common sense I do this all the time get a car and drive it home. Go to a lubeplac jiffy lube, al tune and lube etc... have the oil in the rear end checked, have the front end greased and change the oil. remove the pulgs and put in new ones. inspect the wires and fil the radiator and let tgh car run 1/2 hour before moving it. If it stands up and dosen't leak or miss you are good to go.Take plenty onf breaks an old car needs it. Dont push it, when something goes wrong stop right away, pay attention to smells and watch those gauges, good luck! :D

okiebob
04-03-2005, 08:18 PM
Hi guys, I finally got the tag issue taken care of, (well my wife did anyway). So we are flying into La Guardia Saturday April the 9th, and will be leaving Long Island about 5:00 P.M., (this scares the he -double hockey sticks out of me). Were going to saunter through Penn. and down to the Skyline Drive, then the Blue Ridge Parkway on through the Great Smokey Mountians, across Tenn, Ark, and hopefully back to good ole Dale, Okla. Just wanted to thank ya'll for all the help you've given me. I hope to meet at least some of you in my travels in the Studebaker. I will be retiring in Jan. 06, so I should have time to make some of the swap meets , and other get togethers. Wish me luck and maybe say a prayer for getting out of New York. Later, OkieBob

Sonny
04-03-2005, 08:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by okiebob

Hi guys, I finally got the tag issue taken care of, (well my wife did anyway). So we are flying into La Guardia Saturday April the 9th, and will be leaving Long Island about 5:00 P.M., (this scares the he -double hockey sticks out of me). Were going to saunter through Penn. and down to the Skyline Drive, then the Blue Ridge Parkway on through the Great Smokey Mountians, across Tenn, Ark, and hopefully back to good ole Dale, Okla. Just wanted to thank ya'll for all the help you've given me. I hope to meet at least some of you in my travels in the Studebaker. I will be retiring in Jan. 06, so I should have time to make some of the swap meets , and other get togethers. Wish me luck and maybe say a prayer for getting out of New York. Later, OkieBob


We're with ya Bob! Oh, and we'll be expecting a full report of the nice easy trip that you had.

I just got back from Long Island yesterday, and all I can say is it sucks, get out of there no earlier than 9:30 AM and no later than 11:00 AM.

**(Oops, a little editing, I see you're getting there aboout rush hour. I would highly recommend waiting for the end of rush hour, you might ask someone when that is. The bridge traffic is horrific enough already. Also, after 10 PM on LI they close the interstate down for work and detour you through a hundred little stops and go intersections, all at 30 mph, parallel to the interstate.)**

The roads are horrible around NY City, (during the day, the roads on LI are pretty good, just re-doing the interstate), and you'll be crossing the Throgs Neck and George Washington bridges. Bring cash for them and all the toll roads in NY, PA and NJ, it's disgusting.....

Good luck, God speed, enjoy!

Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com

Studedude
04-03-2005, 09:23 PM
Test

Roscomacaw
04-03-2005, 09:36 PM
Well, good luck to you, Okiebob! You haven't said, but I hope you're taking the few spares and other precautions we've recommended. DO keep us informed or at least tell us all about the adventure after you ease into Dale. We'll be waiting![:p]

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Studedude
04-03-2005, 09:48 PM
OkieBob, I'm in Perkins, OK.

Glad you got the "tag" issue settled!s It's not rocket science, but it does get complicated from state to state. We are all hoping you know what you are doing! <G>

I'm way near the end of your trip, but if I can help, let me know!

okiebob
04-04-2005, 04:07 PM
Sonny, We will be arriving at La Guardia at approx. 3:00 P.M. Sat. in your opinion would we be better off getting a room and leaving Sunday morning, or go ahead and leave after we pick up the car. I guess I'm worried more about the traffic than anything else. Sam, that I'm buying the car from seems to think I should'n have too much of a problem Sat. evening. If we decide to spend the night, any suggestions where. Thanks, OkieBob

Sonny
04-04-2005, 07:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by okiebob

Sonny, We will be arriving at La Guardia at approx. 3:00 P.M. Sat. in your opinion would we be better off getting a room and leaving Sunday morning, or go ahead and leave after we pick up the car. I guess I'm worried more about the traffic than anything else. Sam, that I'm buying the car from seems to think I should'n have too much of a problem Sat. evening. If we decide to spend the night, any suggestions where. Thanks, OkieBob


In my own humble opinion, and from my own experience, I would go get the car from Sam, find and drive to a motel close to your "escape" route out of "there", and leave at about 9AM Sun morning. I don't think you'll find a better day, (Sun), and time to get out of there, unless you can be sure to leave as close as possible to 8PM Sat. night. However, I don't know if I'd leave at night though. I'm thinking that driving during the daytime wouldn't be as stressful, even for finding the right signs and identifying the right lane to be in, (you BETTER be in the right lane), fuel stops, etc..

Your call, but trust me, it's an insane zoo in and around the epicenter of depravity, 'err, I mean "the city"..... Sam’s probably a LOT more familiar with the nuances of someone cutting you off, by mere inches, at high speed, (because you’ve offended them by being in their line of travel, especially driving an old, slow car), then returning the single finger salute that you’ll be getting, which you’ll find so readily prevalent there. The fella I bought my 5th wheel from didn’t realize either that, “we from without” do not drive like that!!! They think it’s normal!

Anyway, I’m not trying to scare ya, I just want you to have the best chance for survival OkieBob……


Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com

KevinSheen
04-04-2005, 09:32 PM
Come on Sonny. I'm born and raised in the center of depravity and even though I left there over 25 years ago, I don't feel particularly intimidated about driving there. But I guess for someone who has never experienced it... Sunday is definately the right day to get out of town though.
I don't know where on LI OkieBob is getting the car, but there are better ways off the Island than T Neck and GW bridges. Bob, if you are on the south shore, Take the Southern State Pkwy to the Verrazanno Bridge, through Staten Island and into NJ that way. For one thing, the Parkways in NY don't have commercial traffic.
Good luck and be safe. And get a good slice of pizza and an egg cream while you're there. I really miss good pizza and egg creams. MMmmmhhhh egg creams! Kevin in the Stoogebaker

1963 Champ

Sonny
04-05-2005, 08:34 PM
quote:Originally posted by KevinSheen

Come on Sonny. I'm born and raised in the center of depravity and even though I left there over 25 years ago, I don't feel particularly intimidated about driving there. But I guess for someone who has never experienced it... Sunday is definately the right day to get out of town though.
I don't know where on LI OkieBob is getting the car, but there are better ways off the Island than T Neck and GW bridges. Bob, if you are on the south shore, Take the Southern State Pkwy to the Verrazanno Bridge, through Staten Island and into NJ that way. For one thing, the Parkways in NY don't have commercial traffic.
Good luck and be safe. And get a good slice of pizza and an egg cream while you're there. I really miss good pizza and egg creams. MMmmmhhhh egg creams! Kevin in the Stoogebaker

1963 Champ


I dunno when the last time you drove there was Kev, but things change in 25 years. The streets are like cobblestone, almost none of the lighting was on in the tunnels, (makes for genuine excitement when you go in from bright sunlight at 50 mph [:0]), road sections tore up for repairs, lots of detours, closed down exits, hills and valleys, real close quarters, lane markings worn away or just not there, no emergency lanes, etc..

Yep, it was the first, and more than likely, the only time I'll be drivin' there. I never saw streets so bad, even in Buffoonalo. I was draggin' a 35 foot 5th wheel with a 22 foot truck, I promise ya, I got no quarter. I drove a commercial rig in rush hour traffic all over CA, OR and Wa, nothing compares to driving around there, you definitely have to be on top of your game.

Like I was saying though, the interstate on LI was pretty nice during the day, not after 10 PM though, it's closed down for repairs. NJ, (at least where I was driving), had pretty good roads also. It probably would be a much better idea to leave by another route, avoiding the T-Neck and GW bridges, they're main arteries in and out of the city.

Sounds like a good plan, make it Sunday and take the Southern State Pkwy to the Verrazanno Bridge, through Staten Island and into NJ Bob. I'm willin' to bet that the Sunday morning church traffic around nyc is light. ;)

Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com

KevinSheen
04-05-2005, 08:54 PM
Sonny, everything you describe is true to this day. I was on LI last summer and you do have to be on the top of your game. I drive an 18 wheeler full of LPG when I'm not working on ships so I always drive at the top of MY game. No choice in the matter.
All I was getting at was that driving in the NYC area is no different than anywhere else. The unexpected can happen, and more than likely will!! OkieBob, stay off the Long Island Expressway (I-495) that's the truck route and usually the most congested. The Northern and Southern State Parkways are for passenger cars, no trucks allowed. Try getting an 18 wheeler under one of those overpasses (11' 6") quite often.
Once in Staten Island you will have to deal with truck traffic and into NJ also. But after you get west of the NJTWP and onto the secondary roads into the Poconos in PA you will be fine. Have a great trip. Check out that Stude place I've only visited on the web that's in Somerset, PA.
And get some good pizza and an egg cream while you're on the Island!! MMMhhh!!! Egg Creammmmmsssss!!!! Kevin in the Stoogebaker

1963 Champ

Sonny
04-05-2005, 10:24 PM
Whew! Drive an 18 wheeler, full of propane, through there? [:0] NO WAY! Not even with a gun on me! [:p]:D All kidding aside, THAT would be a hair raising deal! The way I got through was just picked my line and stayed right on it. I did have a co-pilot/nav with me and it really helps, having those extra eyes.

OkieBob, you're gonna be fine, leave Sunday, pick your line, stay with it, and after the brief run through LI and the city, you'll have a LOT more great sight seein' to enjoy and talk about! Kevin is right, those Poconos are absolutely beautiful.


Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com

okiebob
04-08-2005, 05:27 PM
Well guys, the wife and I are flying to New York Sat. morning to pick up the 50 coupe, and I just wanted to thank all of you that helped me in making the decision to drive the car back to Okla. We're looking foward to the trip (after we get out of New York) and I will let yall know how the trip went if we make it back (I mean when we get back). Say a little prayer for us, might make that a big prayer if you don't mind.

Thanks, OkieBob

Roscomacaw
04-08-2005, 05:47 PM
This might be interesting!:D I was just on the phone with Justin - the fella driving the 53 Champion from Los Angeles to NY[:0] He says while the car is nice, there's been some amatuer rewiring done and he's got a few gremlins to deal with. It LOOKS like we might have the OD working. I'm waiting to hear back from him about a road test in that respect. [|)]
Then there's the fact that there's no brake lites or turn signals working.[V]
Anyway, maybe you two will pass each other as you're headed in different directions!:D I sure hope your journey's a fun one overall. Good luck, and be damned sure to give us a report when you're finally home.;)

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Studedude
04-08-2005, 06:50 PM
quote:Originally posted by okiebob

Say a little prayer for us, might make that a big prayer if you don't mind.


I'm not of much use when it comes to some things, but I kin pray fer ya! Have a ball!

Dave

okiebob
04-15-2005, 09:29 PM
I love my studebaker. Yep, my wife and I made it back to Okla. without too much trouble. We pick up the car at about 4:30 and headed home instead of staying the night on Long Island, the traffic wasn't as bad as I had feared. We took the L.I.E. (495) to 295 through throgs neck to 95 across the George Washington Bridge and into New Jersey ( didn't get flipped off once) and spent the night at the Pictinny Arsenal for $40. The next day we went to Hershey Pa. (my wife is a nut) chocolate nut I meant to say, then we caught highway 11 at Carlisle, and stayed on it till the Skyline Drive in Virgina, a very pretty drive. Then on the Blue Ridge Parkway, for the ones that haven't been on this drive I highly recommend it. I love my studebaker! We spent the night in West Jefferson N. C., and the next day through the Great Smokey Mts. national park, another beautiful drive, and onto Pigeon Forge. Wednesday morning we headed toward Chattanooga and stayed on 64 mostly to Clarksville Ark. The car started running a little rough in Tenn. so I stopped and put in a set of plugs, but that didn't help, so we stopped for the night in Bolivar. Kenny, a mechanic there opened his shop, and checked for wet wires and distributor cap but ended up filing the points a little, and that did the trick. The next day at a Wendys in Ark. we had to file and re-adjust the points again. We made it home then after about five quarts of oil and 1,983 miles. I know the rear main is leaking, and also its leaking very bad somewhere around the timing cover. Oh well I needed a project anyway. The car is not as nice as I had hoped, but still I am very happy with it. I think now I need a Stude pickup, and probably a 60ish Lark. Anyhow we had a great trip, met some super nice people, and are really looking foward to meeting some of you people that have been so helpful.
Over and out OkieBob & Pam


P. S. I LOVE MY STUDEBAKER

Sonny
04-15-2005, 11:13 PM
WOW! What a GREAT report! It must'a been the magic of that bulletnose that kept you "finger free"! :D Thanks a million for the post-trip rundown, and by God, 1,983 miles on 5 quarts of oil and a little point filing, in a bone stock, '50 Studebaker Champion is 10 TIMES more of a success story than my 956 mile trip in my big, bad, dually Ford truck! You and Pam have just raised the bar WAY up there for the nay-sayers/don't-do-it-'ers! I'm sure your trip is gonna be the standard by which all future trips will be judged. Be prepared to hear, "Oh yeah? Well OkieBob and Pam just........" At least that's what I'M gonna say!

Congratualtions on what sounds to me like your 1,983 mile, pleasent drive! I sure hope that I get to meet the dynamic duo one day. Pam and OkieBob, you're MY heros!!![^]

Sonny
http://RacingStudebakers.com

studegary
04-16-2005, 09:42 AM
Thank you for reporting back. It is always nice to get closure on something like this, whether it is good or bad news. It sounds like you had an excellent trip. I have been travelling up and down the east coast for more than 30 years and I much prefer an inland route to I 95. I have bought many vehicles sight unseen. I always allow for a little surprise in the vehicle. I have spent from hundreds to tens of thousands on a vehicle sight unseen and will continue to do it. I guess your '50 is a pretty good car mechanically if it got you home with just a need for points.

Roscomacaw
04-16-2005, 05:04 PM
Dang-nabbit, Okie! What a tale! And I'm as happy for you as you are.:D I DRIVE my Studebakers. And as far as I'm concerned, that's what keeps this marque ALIVE! Sure, there's a place for show darlings. And that's ALL there is to many marques nowdays - shows and the odd sunday cruise. Basically living museum pieces.[|)]
But here Studebaker is - a half century after packing it in - and Studes are STILL plying the roads and setting records on the tracks! No factory sponsorship, nothing but the independent, hutspha-driven spirit to make the underdog shine![^] And you, OkieBob, and your spouse, have written another chapter.
I don't know if you were in SDC a coupla years ago, but there was a group of Stude owners from around Virginia that drove their Studes from coast to coast. (You can read about my encounter with them in the "Stude Stories" section of this website, if you haven't already) They're planning to make another trek in about a year or so, from what I understand. This time their gonna trace what's left of the old Lincoln Hiway. Anyway, your trip was right up there with theirs - maybe even a bit more amazing since you were dealing with a car you knew little about. Either way, my hat's off to you. I'm envious![}:)]

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Harv
04-29-2005, 07:10 AM
[8D]

I have a '50 Champ Starlight Coupe that I've driven since '94. With the stock engine & OD, 25-27 mpg was pretty standard for the flatlands of the Detroit-Toledo areas. In 2002 I installed a "Cathcart Special" engine. It's now at 191 cid with cam, finned head, twin carbs & exhaust and is probably at around 145 hp. It goes like the dickens and I still get 25-27 mpg on long trips (got 26 mpg ave in 2002 driving to the Int'l Meet in So Bend). I found that the secret to having the OD working 100% of the time was to replace the OD relay with a 12v $6.50 Radio Shack relay. If you are runing a 6 volt system you must get as close to 6 volts to the OD Solenoid that you can, everytime, for the OD to fully operate. Happy Motoring.

Cheers!

[8D]

StudeBakerHarv

Studedude
05-01-2005, 07:47 PM
Got to meet Bob, Pam, and the car in Tulsa Saturday. Neat folks, neat car! Here's a picture of Bob and the car in Tulsa.

http://www.davesplaceinc.com/okiebob.jpg

Dave's Place
Studebaker Emporium
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STUDEBAKERFUN
05-01-2005, 10:41 PM
wow----very cool stude---[:o)]

RANDY

Sonny
05-02-2005, 12:09 AM
VERY nice bulletnose! I can reeeeeeally can appreciate the work required to get one to that level. Thanks for the pic Dave!

Sonny
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