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Dick Steinkamp
03-01-2007, 07:10 PM
This from Hemmings eWeekly

http://www.hemmings.com/newsletter/newsletter.html?volume=2&issue=38&id=968&refer=news&emlid=33054#968

http://cll.hemmings.com/uimage/659641-0-0.jpg?rev=1

Going, going …
Going, going …
This Studebaker cab over light-duty truck prototype was thought to have been crushed until it turned up in a barn in Muskegon, Michigan. It's now at the Studebaker museum in South Bend, Indiana.
photo courtesy Studebaker National Museum
Like sands through the egg timer, the clock was seriously running out on Studebaker in 1964. That didn’t stop the company from coming up with a proposed new model, a flat-front compact pickup that would have squabbled for sales with the Ford Econoline, most prominently. Everybody assumed it had long since been junked.
Wrong-O, we’re happy to report. Most Studebaker prototypes ended up being destroyed, as was often the case at the competing Big Three. The 1964 Truck Prototype was assumed to have suffered the same fate until it unexpectedly turned up in a barn at a family farm in Muskegon, Michigan. The prototype has since been restored and is in the collection of the Studebaker National Museum in South Bend, Indiana.
This was the final Studebaker designed and built in South Bend by styling chief Randy Faurot before production was consolidated in Ontario during Studebaker’s final months. The pickup is similar to the ZIP vans that Studebaker built in great numbers for the U.S. Postal Service. The museum has recently relocated to a new climate-controlled building at 201 S. Chapin St. in South Bend.
For more information, call toll-free at 888-391-5600 or visit www.studebakermuseum.org.
- By Jim Donnelly

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

rockne10
03-01-2007, 07:59 PM
"May the Saints be praised!" I remember mention of this prototype in Turning Wheels some years ago. I'm surprised we haven't heard more about it.

What other gems are out there awaiting discovery?

rockne10
03-01-2007, 07:59 PM
"May the Saints be praised!" I remember mention of this prototype in Turning Wheels some years ago. I'm surprised we haven't heard more about it.

What other gems are out there awaiting discovery?

StudeRich
03-01-2007, 08:57 PM
That really does seen strange to me, since I sat in it at Plant 8 in Aug. of 1966! I remember the tag on the steering wheel that said: "Do not Drive this Vehicle! -Steering Welded!" So it apparently even ran!

I just do not see how it could get in someone's barn without the Co., the owners: the City of SB and the Museum knowing about it all the time. It was in the Studebaker collection with the Packard Predictra(sp), the brooks Stevens 1967 prototypes, Pres. Garfield's Carriage, the last South Bend car (a '64 Daytona R1 HT), the Coast to Coast run Big "6" Touring I saw them all there on a guided tour in an electric cart in Plant 8 Parts Depot!

I am sure we will hear more about this, from the S.N.Museum.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-01-2007, 08:57 PM
That really does seen strange to me, since I sat in it at Plant 8 in Aug. of 1966! I remember the tag on the steering wheel that said: "Do not Drive this Vehicle! -Steering Welded!" So it apparently even ran!

I just do not see how it could get in someone's barn without the Co., the owners: the City of SB and the Museum knowing about it all the time. It was in the Studebaker collection with the Packard Predictra(sp), the brooks Stevens 1967 prototypes, Pres. Garfield's Carriage, the last South Bend car (a '64 Daytona R1 HT), the Coast to Coast run Big "6" Touring I saw them all there on a guided tour in an electric cart in Plant 8 Parts Depot!

I am sure we will hear more about this, from the S.N.Museum.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

8E45E
03-01-2007, 10:50 PM
[quote]Originally posted by rockne10

"May the Saints be praised!" I remember mention of this prototype in Turning Wheels some years ago. I'm surprised we haven't heard more about it.

What other gems are out there awaiting discovery?

It was covered in February, 1983, Turning Wheels at first, along with some other renderings of cab-forward trucks and vans, including a six cylinder van with Westinghouse logos on the sides. That 'gem' is still out there for someone:D. Here are some photos of the truck I took in 1983. Interestingly, it uses an International instrument pod from the late 1950's[:0].

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/407442926_6eaefb4c3c.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/407442927_e3267ff674.jpg?v=0

Craig

8E45E
03-01-2007, 10:50 PM
[quote]Originally posted by rockne10

"May the Saints be praised!" I remember mention of this prototype in Turning Wheels some years ago. I'm surprised we haven't heard more about it.

What other gems are out there awaiting discovery?

It was covered in February, 1983, Turning Wheels at first, along with some other renderings of cab-forward trucks and vans, including a six cylinder van with Westinghouse logos on the sides. That 'gem' is still out there for someone:D. Here are some photos of the truck I took in 1983. Interestingly, it uses an International instrument pod from the late 1950's[:0].

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/407442926_6eaefb4c3c.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/407442927_e3267ff674.jpg?v=0

Craig

8E45E
03-01-2007, 11:32 PM
I just do not see how it could get in someone's barn without the Co., the owners: the City of SB and the Museum knowing about it all the time. It was in the Studebaker collection with the Packard Predictra(sp), the brooks Stevens 1967 prototypes, Pres. Garfield's Carriage, the last South Bend car (a '64 Daytona R1 HT), the Coast to Coast run Big "6" Touring I saw them all there on a guided tour in an electric cart in Plant 8 Parts Depot!

If I remember correctly, when Newman & Altman bought the rights for the Avanti, from Studebaker Corporation, it also included trucks as well, even though they never did produce a truck. The 'deal' included all manfacturing rights, engineering blueprints, prototypes, et al. So that truck would probably have been in possesion of Newman & Altman when it went into that barn in Michigan.

Craig

8E45E
03-01-2007, 11:32 PM
I just do not see how it could get in someone's barn without the Co., the owners: the City of SB and the Museum knowing about it all the time. It was in the Studebaker collection with the Packard Predictra(sp), the brooks Stevens 1967 prototypes, Pres. Garfield's Carriage, the last South Bend car (a '64 Daytona R1 HT), the Coast to Coast run Big "6" Touring I saw them all there on a guided tour in an electric cart in Plant 8 Parts Depot!

If I remember correctly, when Newman & Altman bought the rights for the Avanti, from Studebaker Corporation, it also included trucks as well, even though they never did produce a truck. The 'deal' included all manfacturing rights, engineering blueprints, prototypes, et al. So that truck would probably have been in possesion of Newman & Altman when it went into that barn in Michigan.

Craig

showbizkid
03-02-2007, 05:57 AM
Interesting styling. Looks more like the front end of a '60s Seagrave fire truck, or an airport tow motor, than a consumer vehicle.


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showbizkid
03-02-2007, 05:57 AM
Interesting styling. Looks more like the front end of a '60s Seagrave fire truck, or an airport tow motor, than a consumer vehicle.


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'63 F2/Lark Standard
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8E45E
03-02-2007, 06:59 AM
Looks more like the front end of a '60s Seagrave fire truck, or an airport tow motor, than a consumer vehicle.

When I first saw the pictures of it, an Oshkosh immediately came to mind with that forward slant windshield.

Craig

8E45E
03-02-2007, 06:59 AM
Looks more like the front end of a '60s Seagrave fire truck, or an airport tow motor, than a consumer vehicle.

When I first saw the pictures of it, an Oshkosh immediately came to mind with that forward slant windshield.

Craig

DEEPNHOCK
03-02-2007, 07:27 AM
I do believe that this is an old, old article...
Hasn't this truck been in the SNM for years and years?
I saw it in '02 (unless they built more than one)...
Curious about the story timeline....
Jeff[8D]

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DEEPNHOCK
03-02-2007, 07:27 AM
I do believe that this is an old, old article...
Hasn't this truck been in the SNM for years and years?
I saw it in '02 (unless they built more than one)...
Curious about the story timeline....
Jeff[8D]

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Studebakerboy
03-02-2007, 07:36 AM
It really does look like an airport tug. All it needs is a towbar hitch in the front and it could be pressed into service. It sure would look great sitting in the corner of my hanger!

Kevin Edwards

http://airlandandseaparts.com

Studebakerboy
03-02-2007, 07:36 AM
It really does look like an airport tug. All it needs is a towbar hitch in the front and it could be pressed into service. It sure would look great sitting in the corner of my hanger!

Kevin Edwards

http://airlandandseaparts.com

Dick Steinkamp
03-02-2007, 09:22 AM
quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK
Curious about the story timeline....




The article is in the March '07 issue of Hemmings eWeekly (link above). It mentions the museum recently relocating to 201 S. Chapin. I'd say the article is new, but the "news" is old. (it was new news to me, however :))

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-02-2007, 09:22 AM
quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK
Curious about the story timeline....




The article is in the March '07 issue of Hemmings eWeekly (link above). It mentions the museum recently relocating to 201 S. Chapin. I'd say the article is new, but the "news" is old. (it was new news to me, however :))

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Roscomacaw
03-02-2007, 11:56 AM
Yeah, the museum's had possession of this thing for a time now. I think this is one of those things that mainstream car mags treat loosely from a factual standpoint. I mean - WHO would really know anything about it but a few obscure Stude freaks - and as we know - they're too damned frugal to buy a subscription to Hemmings.[B)] Hell, they bitch about having to pay $27.50 for a dedicated periodical that comes without a complimentary club roster or protective cardboard enclosure for the monthly magazine! We won't even TALK about said magazine NOT being in the mailbox precisely on the very 1st day of each month![}:)]

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1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
03-02-2007, 11:56 AM
Yeah, the museum's had possession of this thing for a time now. I think this is one of those things that mainstream car mags treat loosely from a factual standpoint. I mean - WHO would really know anything about it but a few obscure Stude freaks - and as we know - they're too damned frugal to buy a subscription to Hemmings.[B)] Hell, they bitch about having to pay $27.50 for a dedicated periodical that comes without a complimentary club roster or protective cardboard enclosure for the monthly magazine! We won't even TALK about said magazine NOT being in the mailbox precisely on the very 1st day of each month![}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

studegary
03-02-2007, 04:20 PM
StudeRich mentioned the Brooks Stevens prototypes. Brooks told me that he "liberated" them from Studebaker. The SNM ended up buying them from the Stevens' collection. I fought this. I felt that they were a part of the Studebaker collection that was conditionally given to the City of South Bend and shouldn't have had to be purchased again.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
03-02-2007, 04:20 PM
StudeRich mentioned the Brooks Stevens prototypes. Brooks told me that he "liberated" them from Studebaker. The SNM ended up buying them from the Stevens' collection. I fought this. I felt that they were a part of the Studebaker collection that was conditionally given to the City of South Bend and shouldn't have had to be purchased again.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

Roscomacaw
03-02-2007, 04:30 PM
Isn't it said that "possession is 9/10ths of the law"? If you'd have won your argument, Gary - when do you suppose the vehicles would have come back to the fold?

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
03-02-2007, 04:30 PM
Isn't it said that "possession is 9/10ths of the law"? If you'd have won your argument, Gary - when do you suppose the vehicles would have come back to the fold?

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

8E45E
03-02-2007, 05:32 PM
[quote]Originally posted by studegary

StudeRich mentioned the Brooks Stevens prototypes. Brooks told me that he "liberated" them from Studebaker. The SNM ended up buying them from the Stevens' collection. I fought this. I felt that they were a part of the Studebaker collection that was conditionally given to the City of South Bend and shouldn't have had to be purchased again.


What I heard is it was conditional that Brooks Stevens was not to 'drive them under their own power' when he obtained them from Studebaker Corporation. Because they are true rolling road vehicles, Brooks Stevens would have had to received a Bill Of Sale, or some kind of document stating they became 'his'. Do you have actual proof they were only on 'permanent loan' from Sudebaker/City of South Bend? If that was indeed the case, what would have happened if a private collector, or the City of Milwaukee had bought them when they went up for sale after his death?

Craig.

8E45E
03-02-2007, 05:32 PM
[quote]Originally posted by studegary

StudeRich mentioned the Brooks Stevens prototypes. Brooks told me that he "liberated" them from Studebaker. The SNM ended up buying them from the Stevens' collection. I fought this. I felt that they were a part of the Studebaker collection that was conditionally given to the City of South Bend and shouldn't have had to be purchased again.


What I heard is it was conditional that Brooks Stevens was not to 'drive them under their own power' when he obtained them from Studebaker Corporation. Because they are true rolling road vehicles, Brooks Stevens would have had to received a Bill Of Sale, or some kind of document stating they became 'his'. Do you have actual proof they were only on 'permanent loan' from Sudebaker/City of South Bend? If that was indeed the case, what would have happened if a private collector, or the City of Milwaukee had bought them when they went up for sale after his death?

Craig.

studegary
03-02-2007, 05:48 PM
Craig - I am going by what Brooks told me. When he said "liberated" he meant that he physically took them. I don't believe that there was any paper trail involved, which would mean that ownership was always (since 1966) with South Bend.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
03-02-2007, 05:48 PM
Craig - I am going by what Brooks told me. When he said "liberated" he meant that he physically took them. I don't believe that there was any paper trail involved, which would mean that ownership was always (since 1966) with South Bend.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

Randy_G
03-02-2007, 07:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

That really does seen strange to me, since I sat in it at Plant 8 in Aug. of 1966! It was in the Studebaker collection with the Packard Predictra(sp), the brooks Stevens 1967 prototypes, Pres. Garfield's Carriage, the last South Bend car (a '64 Daytona R1 HT), the Coast to Coast run Big "6" Touring I saw them all there on a guided tour in an electric cart in Plant 8 Parts Depot!


Rich did you work for Studebaker? also when the museum restored the truck why didn't they repaint the front bumper? Just more questions that I doubt that I will never get answers for.

Randy_G
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Randy_G
03-02-2007, 07:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

That really does seen strange to me, since I sat in it at Plant 8 in Aug. of 1966! It was in the Studebaker collection with the Packard Predictra(sp), the brooks Stevens 1967 prototypes, Pres. Garfield's Carriage, the last South Bend car (a '64 Daytona R1 HT), the Coast to Coast run Big "6" Touring I saw them all there on a guided tour in an electric cart in Plant 8 Parts Depot!


Rich did you work for Studebaker? also when the museum restored the truck why didn't they repaint the front bumper? Just more questions that I doubt that I will never get answers for.

Randy_G
South Bend or Bust 2007!
God I miss chrome on cars.
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/sedan4small.jpg

8E45E
03-03-2007, 03:31 AM
[quote]Originally posted by studegary

Craig - I am going by what Brooks told me. When he said "liberated" he meant that he physically took them. I don't believe that there was any paper trail involved, which would mean that ownership was always (since 1966) with South Bend.

You didn't expect Studebaker to deliver them, did you?:D

If that was the case, it was obviously a Gentleman's Agreement, as Studebaker had no further use for the cars, where Brooks Stevens did; adding them to his corporate design portfolio. (Did the term "Intellectual Property" exist 40 years ago?) Obviously, they weren't taken without the knowledge of either Studebaker or the City of South Bend, as either party had every opportunity in the ensuing years to get them back; espcially when they've often appeared at Studebaker meets in South Bend. In hindsight, too bad there wasn't such a signed document in place whereby the cars would have reverted back to the City of South Bend upon his death. But hindsight is 20/20. However, it was probably for the better for the museum at this date to simply pay the price to get these vehicles back. What would everyone have thought if they got sold to someone overseas in the meantime; three pieces of important Studebaker history vanishing?

Craig

8E45E
03-03-2007, 03:31 AM
[quote]Originally posted by studegary

Craig - I am going by what Brooks told me. When he said "liberated" he meant that he physically took them. I don't believe that there was any paper trail involved, which would mean that ownership was always (since 1966) with South Bend.

You didn't expect Studebaker to deliver them, did you?:D

If that was the case, it was obviously a Gentleman's Agreement, as Studebaker had no further use for the cars, where Brooks Stevens did; adding them to his corporate design portfolio. (Did the term "Intellectual Property" exist 40 years ago?) Obviously, they weren't taken without the knowledge of either Studebaker or the City of South Bend, as either party had every opportunity in the ensuing years to get them back; espcially when they've often appeared at Studebaker meets in South Bend. In hindsight, too bad there wasn't such a signed document in place whereby the cars would have reverted back to the City of South Bend upon his death. But hindsight is 20/20. However, it was probably for the better for the museum at this date to simply pay the price to get these vehicles back. What would everyone have thought if they got sold to someone overseas in the meantime; three pieces of important Studebaker history vanishing?

Craig

Transtar56
03-03-2007, 07:59 AM
I wonder if the guy that designed this monster had anything to do with the Honda Element?

Transtar56
03-03-2007, 07:59 AM
I wonder if the guy that designed this monster had anything to do with the Honda Element?

KevinSheen
03-03-2007, 08:08 AM
That is one ugly truck, but damned if it doesn't kinda grow on ya. Kevin

1963 Champ

KevinSheen
03-03-2007, 08:08 AM
That is one ugly truck, but damned if it doesn't kinda grow on ya. Kevin

1963 Champ

Skip Lackie
03-04-2007, 09:31 AM
As has been noted, the history of this truck was covered in TW in 1983. Its unorthodox appearance is due to the fact that by 1963, the Studebaker styling group's budget was so small that they were limited to working with flat panels. Compound curves were considered to be too expensive.

After the appearance of the TW article, the owner agreed to loan the truck to the museum, and it was on display there between 1983 and 2006. In 2006, the owner offered to sell it to museum for $100K, which the museum declined. The vehicle was returned to the owner in August 2006; he subsequently advertised it for sale locally. Museum trustee Terry Judd saw the ad, visited the owner, and discovered that the truck was in outside storage under a tree. Terry began negotiating with the owner, and they eventually reached agreement at a selling price of $25K. Terry put up $10K of his own, and began soliciting funds so the truck could be donated to the museum. At the Omaha meet, the SDC board approved spending $15K from the Restoration Fund toward the purchase of the truck. This expenditure is noted under the Restoration Fund item in the 2006 board minutes printed in TW.

Skip Lackie
Board member, Atlantic Zone

Skip Lackie
03-04-2007, 09:31 AM
As has been noted, the history of this truck was covered in TW in 1983. Its unorthodox appearance is due to the fact that by 1963, the Studebaker styling group's budget was so small that they were limited to working with flat panels. Compound curves were considered to be too expensive.

After the appearance of the TW article, the owner agreed to loan the truck to the museum, and it was on display there between 1983 and 2006. In 2006, the owner offered to sell it to museum for $100K, which the museum declined. The vehicle was returned to the owner in August 2006; he subsequently advertised it for sale locally. Museum trustee Terry Judd saw the ad, visited the owner, and discovered that the truck was in outside storage under a tree. Terry began negotiating with the owner, and they eventually reached agreement at a selling price of $25K. Terry put up $10K of his own, and began soliciting funds so the truck could be donated to the museum. At the Omaha meet, the SDC board approved spending $15K from the Restoration Fund toward the purchase of the truck. This expenditure is noted under the Restoration Fund item in the 2006 board minutes printed in TW.

Skip Lackie
Board member, Atlantic Zone

mbstude
03-04-2007, 10:18 AM
Does anyone have any more interior shots of the truck? What engine did/does it have? OHV 6? And looking at the pic Craig posted, it has a column shift automatic, so what's the Power Shift style handle? Hey, it even has a radio!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/407442927_e3267ff674.jpg?v 0


quote:Rich did you work for Studebaker? also when the museum restored the truck why didn't they repaint the front bumper? Just more questions that I doubt that I will never get answers for.

Well, that's because it's never been restored. [^]
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mbstude
03-04-2007, 10:18 AM
Does anyone have any more interior shots of the truck? What engine did/does it have? OHV 6? And looking at the pic Craig posted, it has a column shift automatic, so what's the Power Shift style handle? Hey, it even has a radio!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/407442927_e3267ff674.jpg?v 0


quote:Rich did you work for Studebaker? also when the museum restored the truck why didn't they repaint the front bumper? Just more questions that I doubt that I will never get answers for.

Well, that's because it's never been restored. [^]
__________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

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